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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: thread 27

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CharlotteCollinsinherownplace · 04/11/2013 21:57

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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tweedlezee · 09/01/2014 13:23

I wouldn't normally do this but this it too funny. BACKTRACK Panic

It has been occurring to me that keeping a record of our conversations (e mails) are useful if we need to refer to them. They are however in personal and their meaning can be lost in translation. Its like we have been gearing up for the worst case scenario such as mediation / legal action which should be the last resort for seeking an amicable solution. Recent advice that I have had is that talking face to face is very important for this to work now and in the future. This is probably something we should have done more of and also being less stubborn.

Oh lookee, a moment of panic. Has he been speaking to someone who has told him that through mediation the interests of the children are paramount and he may not get what HE wants?
Has he suddenly realised that the email he sent about how important his social life is may jeopardise his case?
Didn't HE invite ME to mediation? (yes....he did)
Oh and he wants an amicable solution? Is that before or after he made me essentially homeless and forced me to leave my children? Before or after he threw stuff at me? Before or after I had to call the police because he went for my throat?
Oh and he has been going for drinks with my friends, probably to plead his case.
This is a safe place right? Well can I be honest and say I am more than amused by his panic. Maybe he can now feel a little of what I have been experiencing the last four years when he told me if we split I would have to leave the kids or that he would not give me money for food or that I was pathetic for struggling with 2 children under 2 and no support close by. SUCK IT MUPPET!!!
YOU DID THIS TO YOURSELF!

Thanks for letting me get that out.

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FairyFi · 09/01/2014 13:28

MrsM If its any consolation, it took me ages being the one that stayed in the 'abuse house' to recover and stop imagining the FW still there. To erase his presence took a long time, and everything didn't feel like home atall anymore and was tainted, and I was actually desperate to leave. I think what I'm trying to say is that each choice has its own merits. A little place that was unknown to him and not needing any maintenance just to be free was something i dreamt of at the time bizarrely as that may seem (and sometimes it still does )
Make it your short-term home/freedom squat Smile

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FairyFi · 09/01/2014 13:33

ha ha tweedle - i notice particularly the way he refers to the not talking and the stubborn as a 'we' thing, that will also get him a long way won't it? Still not taking responsibility. y yy much fast back-pedaling.

well don't for the release Smile

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FairyFi · 09/01/2014 13:33

well don't ??? should read Well done...

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tweedlezee · 09/01/2014 13:34

Shit List and Freedom Squat might be my 2 favourite phrases of this thread

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tweedlezee · 09/01/2014 13:37

Thank you Fi....give them enough rope!!!
I have barely had to say anything and he has dug himself a very big hole which he trying to use me to climb out of.
I am not helping him out I think I'll just stand here and laugh at him in it like he has done to me the last 4 years.
And yes, it is ALWAYS a we thing. I am enjoying being stubborn and in doing so I am protecting my children and myself from his nonsense

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FairyFi · 09/01/2014 13:48

yay to stubborness (shit lists and freedom squats) Grin

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Clouddancer · 09/01/2014 15:36

tweedle, what he means is that it is easier to manipulate and control face to face if athird party is not present, who is trained to spot such things.

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Clouddancer · 09/01/2014 15:38

Hi mrsm, courage and strength to you. The early weeks are hard. I remember you from previous threads, though I had a different name. Hang in there.

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Mrsmorton · 09/01/2014 16:35

Thank you for support everyone. Thanks

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bountyicecream · 09/01/2014 20:33

mrsm I'm so pleased to hear that you are out. Do you have plans to find a more homely place with better cooking facilities? My first week to was by far the worst, and you are at the end of that now. My FW is also promising the earth, taking the full blame for everything, promising to change etc. I'm not even thinking about it. Maybe he has changed, probably he hasn't. But if he has,then the change will continue for as long as I need to be on my own. I've given myself an arbitrary 3 months where I will make no decisions whatsoever. And then only if I feel strong enough at the end of that will I start planning.

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Mrsmorton · 09/01/2014 20:39

Hi bounty yes, I'm very fortunate in that I was living in my wn flat when I met H and we moved out to live together but I couldn't sell it due to price crash and it's been rented out since. The tenants are moving out this month so I will go back there. The commute is twice as long but hey, it's well worth it!!

I'm pleased you said that about the first week, I'm literally ten min away from my gorgeous house (for which I pay the full mortgage) with it's wood burner and beautiful dog wot I love very much and it's warm and I can have a bath and make a cup of tea when I like and have a shower without queuing in the morning... it's tough but I know that within a week I would be so unhappy that it's not worth it.

I just hope they move out quickly! They are buying somewhere so I've waived the 4 week notice period, they can give me 2 weeks (the minimum) but I'd be there in a flash!

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bountyicecream · 09/01/2014 20:52

Oh that's great. You can focus on what you want to do to make your flat yours again. Will you be taking ddog when you move in? I would imagine it helps knowing and therefore being able to visualise how things will be when you live there.

Hope the tenants buy somewhere fast. You'll feel so much better when you're in.

Is your fw being reasonable at the moment?

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daiseehope · 10/01/2014 01:28

Can I ask all of you experts Grin if any of your delightful partners have managed to screw up your professional life? It's just dawning on me that that's happening to me very subtly.....

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Mrsmorton · 10/01/2014 06:17

Mine very much threatened to but hasn't. Yes bounty, he's being super reasonable at the moment. Maybe he's realised just how much I pay for his lifestyle?

I don't know. Oh hello Friday. I'm so so tired.

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daiseehope · 10/01/2014 09:00

mine is also being reasonable mainly because he can smoke spliffs. god help me when it runs out.

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daiseehope · 10/01/2014 09:02

I've tried so hard but I'm hiding from work againSad

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justaboutenoughalready · 10/01/2014 10:24

Name changed for this... New to here and just need to rant (I hope that is ok).... Youngest dd woke today at 6, I asked dh what time it was, he ignored me so, I checked time and then asked why he had let her get out of bed when we are using a night and day clock and it was not yet on day setting. He started to raise his voice at me and snap at me aggressively that she was awake so he let her get up. I asked him why he was shouting at me and why he always snapped at me and was generally unpleasant to me, he told me that I was unpleasant, I stupidly allowed this to upset me because I was objecting to being snapped at and once again instead of listening, he threw what I said back at me. He then told me that he snapped because he was tired so, I pointed out that I am also tired (dd has been having bad sleeping patterns this week) as I have had broken sleep all week and been back at work but, I am not taking it out on him.... His response was to call me a 'self-righteous C**T'..... Back story is that he walked out of his job just over a year ago and since then, I have gone back to work full time to support the family single handedly whilst he has become a SAHD... He spends his life snapping at me and being rude to me and if I dare to pick him up on it, I get told how awful I am so, when I try to defend myself by pointing out that I have stepped up for the good of the family and sacrificed the time I used to love having with my DC so, cant be all bad, I then get told that for someone with supposedly low self esteem, I have a pretty high f'ing opinion of myself!!!
I am totally miserable at the moment, these rows seem to happen on a weekly basis, I cry for hours and wonder why the hell I am still putting up with this and then, he acts as if nothing has happened and just carries on as normal. Before I know it, I too am just carrying on and stupidly beginning to believe that things are better when BAM, another thing happens.
I sometimes just hate my life, I feel trapped because to end things I need to work, to work I need someone to help with the children, he tells me that if I leave, he wont help and I have no family around to help either. Also, for some strange reason I also worry about him, he is not working so how can I kick him out knowing he has no money and nowhere to go? I know I shouldnt care but I do.... I'm sorry for the essay but, its nice to be able to reach out to people who understand how I feel...

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daiseehope · 10/01/2014 10:28

Hey Just about, sweetie, me too. You are right. Got to go, but be assured you are a reasonable human being and not doing anything wrong xxWink

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MinkBernardLundy · 10/01/2014 10:55

Hello to justabout. there is no excuse for him verbally abusing you Sad. I know what it is liked to be trapped by childcare issues. have you looked into what you would get by way of tax credit/help with childcare if you did split? It may be more than you think.

And rant away. If you have rant we have Brew



We are about to run out of thread. can someone set up new one and link please so we don't lose the new arrivals SmileThanks

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FairyFi · 10/01/2014 12:49

just trying to set up new one now. will post link in next post

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Clouddancer · 10/01/2014 13:07

Can I sneak in a post to say yes to daisee on the professional life question. Some of it was subtle, some of it was not. But it was part of what he did. I am using the next few months to consider whether I can get back on track career-wise, or whether to accept what has happened, step-change and then focus on other aspects of my life. The acceptance is hard; I am scared of becoming bitter. Equally, I am not sure whether I want to exhaust myself clawing something back, or whether it is better to use my energies to explore new avenues and have a more balanced life. I am hoping things become clearer over the next few months.

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FairyFi · 10/01/2014 15:13

here's the link to almost thread 28!

I think there must be some way that is eluding me of copying the live web links across into the new thread, but I'm damned if I can find it! Happy to redo it if someone has that knowledge/document already set up to do easily. The only way I could see was to create a word doc with all the hyperlinks as text, which could take some long time to create, so in the absence of that for the mo, we have a temporary shelter to share in Smile

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FairyFi · 10/01/2014 15:15

Flowers Brew Biscuit Bear Wine Flowers

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