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I Cannot believe I am having to talk about this...

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filee777 · 20/10/2013 10:23

I've just come down the stairs having gone for a bit of a lie down, up at 5.40 with the kids this morning, to find my husband looking at porn while my child is in the room with him!

My three year old child!

He jumped up and opened the door, meeting me at the bottom of the stairs and asked me 'why i wasn't still sleeping' and i sort of said 'can i come in' and he let me, but when i checked my computer there were open pages of porn on there!

I said 'what the hell is this' and he said that he just 'wanted to see what would come up in google'??? so I said 'with our son in the room?' and he said the boy had been playing on the other side of the room - that doesnt make it any better in my eyes.

hes just tried to give me a cuddle and i ignored him and he asked 'if i was pissed off' with him and I very much said yes, did some dishes and have come upstairs.

i dont want to talk to him or even LOOK at him right now, my bloody kid was in the room! Surely that is TOTALLY unacceptable????

So annoyed.

OP posts:
mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 09:26

Great post stooshe. You said what I couldn't put into words....wish I was more articulate!!

BrightSunshineyDay · 21/10/2013 09:35

I don't understand how you can say your DH slept downstairs whilst all bedroom doors were open upstairs so your children were safe. Regardless of anything else, if I felt the need to keep my Dcs bedroom doors open for peace of mind in my own home it would be game over for me. Sorry OP Sad

Mojavewonderer · 21/10/2013 10:08

Brilliant post Stooshe! I have read the whole thread since it started and I have peeked at the op's other posts and you have said exactly what I wanted to say.
The op & her husband have more problems than she has said (from other posts on another thread) and I think it probably all ties in together some how but who am I to say.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 10:33

*If he is a misguided fucking idiot who lost the plot for half an hour and decided to wank off in the downstairs loo to some porn, then yes he DOES need support because actually thats a bloody weird thing to do.

Just like I need support when I can't do much but hide away in bed, or when i have a complete crisis of self.*

OP can you please not compare severe depression/anxiety/mental illness in general to what your husband did? I find that so unbelievably offensive. DH supports me with my MH, this is different. However you feel, or other posters feel it is not the same. Not even close.

Not commenting on the situation itself as you've had strong opinions from both sides but really felt the need to say this.

mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 10:50

Totally agree special

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 10:56

Thank you mamma, I tried to word it quite carefully because I'm shocked OP can compare her MH issues to something she considers merely 'bloody weird.'

Taking all of the context away which is very, very hard Mental Illness is not 'bloody weird.'

For some of us it cripples our lives forever.

OP, I hope my posts have been restrained enough you can see how the comparison was so hurtful?

Tiredemma · 21/10/2013 10:59

I called the NSPCC about a child once.

They were fucking useless.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 11:05

On the subject of the NSPCC, sometimes I think they only care once a child has actually been 'physically' abused.

Before that oh they're just SO busy! What do you mean, prevention?

Bitter experience. Angry

mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 11:10

From the information that the op herself gave about the nspcc and their response, I'm shocked. I've had no dealings with them myself and would have thought that wouldn't be in a position to suggest whether or not the child was at risk.

They do not know he didn't see/ wasn't shown the images. The op doesn't either.

Special- I just find the comparison of what the husband did and somebody having a mh crisis just odd and totally irrelevant.

bluebirdwsm · 21/10/2013 11:18

OxfordBags has said it all and I agree with every word of the post. I was too agitated to post yesterday and to see your anger dissipate as the day wore on and your loyalty skewed from your childrens safety to your man's comfort.
This is so serious, yet you say you are merely 'annoyed'! I would suggest that 'ballistic' and taking complete control of who is under your roof or not would be a realistic reaction - not backing down.
You do not know this selfish, manipulating man yet you saw all the clues you needed yesterday morning, it was blatant apart from being grubby, warped and completely inappropriate behaviour. Yet you are putting his comfort over the safety of your children. At the very least he needed a sharp shock but you spared him of that. A slap on the hand and a 'conversation' will not cure the obvious warped way this man's mind works, he need help.
Professional people do not always know the answers nor give the right responses either. Go on what you know and saw and take your head from the sand.
I worry that people who skim over evidence like this can go on to be 'professionals'. There is nothing like real life experience to teach the reality of twisted behaviour and its consequences, as posters on here are showing and trying to advise you.

bluebirdwsm · 21/10/2013 11:24

Yes, excellent post from stooshe. OP please take in what people are saying. Time to seriously face the reality of this situation.

TerrorTremor · 21/10/2013 12:01

I would step away from this thread now OP as it's got really attacking and I don't think that serves any purpose.

You are doing what you feel is right and you are keeping an eye on your children and your partner. I don't think you have done anything wrong and you are trying to do what's best for everyone involved. Nobody gets it right all the time, but it sounds like he was more an idiot than being abusive... I don't see why everyone is getting so het up and adding things to the situation that aren't there.

I think he does have a porn problem though and if he really is worried about it, perhaps he could seek counselling about his porn addiction? Because addiction is a disease and therefore needs to be treated and looked at.

He needs to put his children's safety first, end of. If this helps towards it, all the better.

You shouldn't have to police your partners internet usage, that's just depressing; he's a grown adult and you shouldn't have to do that for a grown person. That's what is upsetting, because you have children why should you have to monitor your husband?

I think he needs to seek help about it, because you need to have him as an equal.

I hope you get a good outcome to this OP. I don't think it means you have to leave your partner, only personally if he wouldn't change or seek help.

Good luck :)

filee777 · 21/10/2013 12:39

The hysteria is just that.

My children are in no immediate danger, he slept downstairs last night because I didnt want him near ME, not because of me being worried about him doing something to our children.

I am talking to him today, we have an hour without the children (I refuse to let this affect them and it would not be beneficial if it did come into a court situation for me to do so) where I will be probing him about his pornography use and whether he feels able to start counselling as well as joining me in an outright ban on pornography in the home.

That conversation will assist me in deciding what to do about the wider problems of 'our marriage'. My main concern yesterday was safety to my children and given that I have this morning spoken to my childrens childcare provider, to my social work CP tutor and to a very good friend about this and NONE of them have this irrational 'get rid of him make him sleep on the streets' attitude, I refuse to accept it is somehow damaging my children.

If people would do something different in my position, well thats fine really, I am not about to judge peoples opinions but I will absolutely state that I have made sure there is NO THREAT to my children and that if anything is said to allude to threat, it will be taken very seriously (as it would have already)

This is not something he can just walk away from, this will have deep reaching consequences for our home life and for our marriage.

I will be dealing with him and his stupidity as best I can. Him being on the streets is NOT something that is necessary right now as he is no immediate threat to my children. If anything else happens, if there is a WHIFF of suspicion, I will remove him from the property without warning. If after our conversation tonight we decide we cannot work on things, he will leave when he has somewhere to go.

I have not 'put the comfort of my husband over that of my children' I have listened to my heart, my head and sound advice which i have been given.

Trying to make me change my mind is ridiculous, suggesting that I am somehow a 'bad social worker' because of my decision is ridiculous.

Neither are relevant here.
Support is relevant here.

OP posts:
JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 21/10/2013 12:46

Mojavewonderer Just so you know I don't think having a wank while being in charge of a child and my husband and I having a quickie in a locked room is the same at all

How is it different exactly? The quicky is with another person and the wank is alone. They are both sexual acts. One alone, one with another person. The only people who would think that knocking one out alone and knocking one out with another person were completely different, would be people who think that masturbation is dirty or sinful. The result is the same.

Oh and the wank was is a locked room! It was in a toilet, so the same in that way as your quicky with your husband.

Thisisaeuphemism Just this once, and very stressed mum, both intimated that it was no big deal. Other posters have suggested its just a "silly, self indulgent, horny mal thing". This is minimising it, clearly.

Or perhaps we are just not hysterical and can see it for what it is. You can't minimise something that you were never over reacting to in the first place. Completely different thing.

Scarynuf He didn't 'get' aroused whilst caring for a child, he actively sought arousal whilst caring for a child. That's the difference. A man that wants to be aroused in front of a child, to the point of needing to ejaculate, would not be welcome in my home.

It is much more likely that he was feeling sexually frustrated so looked for an image to use for that purpose, rather than "he wanted to be aroused in front of a child" Hmm That's putting your own sick minded spin on it. Oh my God! There's pedophiles everywhere!!!!!!

I find it concerning that so many poster on this thread are freaked out about someone thinking about sex whilst being the same room as a child. It is possible to be a bit aroused/think about sex/see a picture of some breasts or whatever, without it being necessary for that thought to involve everyone in the room. His having a sexy thought doesn't mean that for him that sexy thought involved his child! That doesn't make him a pervert, just as if sex pops into your head/you feel a bit horny while you're sitting at your desk at work doesn't mean that you want to shag your boss/the person sitting opposite you.

How terrible that your minds would immediately assume that. Sad It says more about you and our society than it does about him.

mammadiggingdeep He is not a family man. He looks at porn with his child present and leaves the child undupervised to wank.

But it's ok to leave the room to have a quicky with another human being? You should ask yourself what is so different between the two. Do you see masturbation as dirty? Sinful? Did you go to a Catholic school? From a culture where masturbation is forbidden?

oldgrandmama a stupid, thoughtless, bored and probably randy man surfing the web, small child in the room playing, and he didn't engage brain while engaging you-know-what so went off for a few minutes for a wank. I assume there were no matches, knives, guns, bottles of sulphuric acid lying around for the child to play with in his brief absence and that he turned the screen off. There are so many situations of appalling sexual abuse of kids - I could tell you some tales. But for me, I give OP's husband the benefit of the doubt here - he was looking at porn, child was in the room, he didn't think of the ramifications. To jump from this to some suspicion of 'kiddy fiddling' is to my mind unfair. I think the OP is handling it well, her husband will never dare click on anything much again, so please, stop haranguing her to LTB etc.

I agree.

MissStrawberry Just - I did understand your posts. That is why I said what I said. I have no concerns about everyone "seeing" how "nasty" you think I have been as I am certain I have not been. What I have been is keen to challenge ridiculous posts where I thought they were not in the best interests of a vulnerable 3 year old.

You most certainly did not understand my posts otherwise you wouldn't have said what you did. Challenge posts by calling people stupid? Really? All you have done is show your true colours. Lovely. Hmm

TerrorTremor I would step away from this thread now OP as it's got really attacking and I don't think that serves any purpose. You are doing what you feel is right and you are keeping an eye on your children and your partner. I don't think you have done anything wrong and you are trying to do what's best for everyone involved. Nobody gets it right all the time, but it sounds like he was more an idiot than being abusive... I don't see why everyone is getting so het up and adding things to the situation that aren't there.

Because this is mumsnet and that is what posters do? Smile Particularly when it's about a MAN! Aaaarrrhhhh run for the hills! Men are so scary and eviiiiiiiiiiil!

mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 12:54

Please tell me where in the thread I said I would leave my children to have a quickie??? I didn't.

Actually I thought that was strange because my children are 3 and 1 and I've never gone into a room to have a quickie whilst they're playing by themselves.

Read the thread then reply to people posts. I wasn't a poster who said a quickie was ok.

Get your facts straight before being rude.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 21/10/2013 12:57

I have this morning spoken to my childrens childcare provider, to my social work CP tutor and to a very good friend about this and NONE of them have this irrational 'get rid of him make him sleep on the streets' attitude, I refuse to accept it is somehow damaging my children.

Out of interest what did they say OP?

Trying to make me change my mind is ridiculous, suggesting that I am somehow a 'bad social worker' because of my decision is ridiculous.

You know how it is, you've probably seen it before hundreds of times . . .

OP posts, posters give advice, op makes decisions, posters don't like it, posters think they should be able to control op like a puppet, posters can't, posters don't like this, posters get pissed off, posters call op an idiot/negligent/liar, posters look for evidence in ops other posts, posters twist everything and make up the rest of the story, posters call other posters who don't agree with them names, posters get all weird and bitter that their little game of puppets over other peoples lives hasn't worked. Posters leave with some nasty sarcastic and bitter comment like "yeah enjoy your life op Hmm until he does it again"

It's what always happens.

(In a mo one will be along to say this is about the CHILDREN!)

It's just a game to them op (which they won't admit because it's about the CHILDREN!). I wouldn't bother with this thread anymore. You have support in real life which is great. I am sure you will take it if you need to.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 13:01

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mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 13:01

Can you answer the question just??? Where on this thread did I say that having a quickie was ok whilst children were unsupervised??

Do I think masturbation is sinful? Am I catholic???

What the fuck are you on about???

None of those things. I just think the op's husband shouldn't have left his 3 year old son unsupervised to have a wank. It was negligent.

mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 13:02

Just...you actually sound hysterical.

If its not about the 3 year old child who the fuck is it about????

Strange strange comments....

AKissIsNotAContract · 21/10/2013 13:04

I too have found the NSPCC to be useless. The man I reported still works with children :(

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 21/10/2013 13:06

mammadiggingdeep I do apologise. I was talking in more general terms in relation to the general feeling on this thread that a quicky is fine but a quick wank is not. Not sure how someone having a sneaky wank in a loo strips them of their family man status though.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 21/10/2013 13:09

I too have found the NSPCC to be useless. The man I reported still works with children

God I hope we have the same man or those useless pieces of shite employ more than one paedophile.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 21/10/2013 13:09

mammadiggingdeep Wow! I'm hysterical when you've posted 3 separate posts having a go at me within a few minutes? Really? I think you need to calm down. It was a genuine mistake I made in the middle of trying to catch up with hours of hysterical posts.

JustThisOnceOrTwiceOrThrice · 21/10/2013 13:10

AKissIsNotAContract & SpecialAgentFreyPie

Bloody hell! What did you report them for? And they did nothing?!

mammadiggingdeep · 21/10/2013 13:10

You can't talk in general terms and post it next to somebody's name. It associates me with a comment I didn't make and actually agree with.

A family man does not prioritise pornography and masturbation over spending time with his child. He does not bring pornography into a room where his child can see it.

I stick by that, it is different to your opinion but that is not my idea of a family man.

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