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Is this normal or insensitive. Sex?

367 replies

Workwhatwork · 09/09/2013 09:43

I'm having a really shitty time right now with various things that are going on so I'm feeling quite low anyway.

Last night I was in bed with my boyfriend and I started trying it on with him. I was sort of cuddled up to his back and I started stroking his hair and back and kissing his back a bit, then touching him down there. I was running my hands up and down and then when I wernt to touch him down there again he blocked me with his arm so I took that to mean he didn't want sex and turn over to go to sleep.

He turned to me and said I was teasing him and started touching me down there. I wanted to have sex but I couldn't get wet and him touching me was hurting.

The thing is and I don't know whether it's just me, sorry for tmi, but I seem to be able to get wet more at certain times of the months, so just after my period I can't always get wet but just before I do. Sometimes my boyfriend hurts me when touching me, if he's trying to put his finger in me he will often miss by an inch or so and try to force it into the completely wrong place, he also uses spit as lube even though we have proper lube and I don't like it. Because of all this I think I've got quite jumpy especially when I'm not wet because I'm expecting for him to hurt me.

After a while of me not getting wet he started to go in a mood saying I was teasing him and obviously didn't want it as I'm not wet. I try to explain that just because I can't get wet doesn't mean I don't want to, and that sometimes it isn't just a case of sticking his hand down there for a fiddle and expecting me to have multiple orgasms, sometimes it is but sometimes I need a bit more foreplay.

It escalated into a row and he started doing over the top impressions of me jumping and saying "ooo, ooo, ahh, ahh" like a monkey as though that's what I was doing. I was a bit jumpy but it's because it was hurting and I was expecting him to try to shove his finger in where I have a wee like he often does. But apparently this is all my fault as he isn't doing anything different.

The other massve thing is, in the past, (we have been together 5 years), I have found out he has gone behind my back.

I've found out he's been on dating sites talking to other women. He says that this was when we had split up so almost doesn't matter. We were both on Facebook and he was chatting and flirting with women from chatrooms and stuff on there. He had a few younger women on there and when I asked who they were he said that they were girls from school who were a few years below him. He sort of joked that they would never look twice at him as they're too good looking (how's that supposed to make me feel) and that he'd only added them to make him look good. I also found out he had fake email addresses to use on dating sites. This was an ongoing thing over about 2 years and there were at least 10 different women I found him chatting and flirting with all from chatrooms or dating sites. I even caught him chatting with one the night after his grans funeral.

These are the things I found out, I of course don't know what else may have happened. But that I'm aware of nothing has happened since, he's no longer on Facebook and neither am I and he no longer has a computer or laptop aside from the one we share.

But last weekend I was looking through the photos on his phone. I never look at his phone so goes to show, but I was looking for some old photos of a concert we went to. And I came across a photo of a pair of boobs. No face just a top pulled up flashing the boobs, the photo was in downloads so I can only thing it was a picture message he'd been sent.

Of course I felt sick, asked him who it was. The story he gave was that he couldn't even remember her name, it was some woman from a dating site years ago and he didn't even realise it was still in the phone. But he tried to make out it wasn't a picture message but had been synced from his old laptop.

I told him to get out, it was over. But he wouldn't go, he seems to think that because it was all part of the things he was up to in the past and I'm supposed to have forgiven him, that I should just forget about it now.

But of course I can't, I don't trust him at all.

Then we went to a family party at the weekend. There was another woman on our table, a family friend. I started to feel as though he was making a particular point to speak to her. He rarely strikes up conversation with anyone and usually sits messing around with his phone but he kept making jokes to her, telling me to look at her phone case isn't it nice. Then I remember that she sent him a Christmas card last year and my name wasn't on it even though everyone elses were sent as couples.

This is how I've ended up as a result of what he's done in the past. Even if nothing is going on I feel as though he tries to get attention from young women to get an ego boost.

Sorry it's so long I just don't know what to think anymore.

OP posts:
valiumredhead · 16/09/2013 14:10

You are left with options!

And a need you can relax in without getting prodded and hurt.

And you can cry without being filmed.

Thanks Brew

valiumredhead · 16/09/2013 14:10

Bed not need

LoisPuddingLane · 16/09/2013 14:24

But for me, once he has gone all I am left with is an empty house

How wonderful that sounds. An empty house to do what you like, when you like, to see who you want, when you want. Not to have painful sex. Not to have disgusting shitty baths. Not to have someone take a dump when you are cleaning your teeth.

You will have complete sanctuary.

garlicbaguette · 16/09/2013 14:26

I agree about therapy. The amount of damage these men can do to their targets' psyches is extraordinary. There's an actual legal term, "psychiatric injury", for what they do. They say you're crazy, over-sensitive, irrational, and so on - and they're right, but not in the way they want to think! You've become "over emotional" because your partner has fucked you up so much that you'll sit in a heap, being filmed in your despair, instead of telling the sadistic fucker to get out of your house. You've become "irrational" because he has trained you to judge yourself wanting, instead of rationally dumping him as the disgusting, arse-poking, dry-humping, turd that he is. Would you accept any of these behaviours from a stranger? He has 'boiled' you to tolerate continuous assault by him, and him only. He is a sadist.

When you speak to Women's Aid, I think you'll find it reassuring - and very interesting! - to talk to a woman who's seen it before, understands how it works, and can even predict what he does next :) Go for it.

LoisPuddingLane · 16/09/2013 14:27

Also, it won't be an empty house because YOU will be in it.

garlicbaguette · 16/09/2013 14:32

While XH2 and I were divorcing, we went to a cafe to sort some things out. During the conversation, I told him I wasn't insecure before I met him. He looked straight at me, smiled, and said "I know." [shudder]

RaRaZ · 16/09/2013 14:33

Work, please tell me you've called Women's Aid/texted your 'bf' and told him it's over? I'm worried for you. Like someone else said, it sounds as though all the stuffing's been knocked out of you. It doesn't sound like you've got much left to fight with, and you need to be really brave right now. It's gonna be hard, it's gonna be scary, and you'll probably not have a clue how to move on at first, but you've got to make that step. There are a lot of people you can call on for help when you've got rid of him, but the getting rid of him part is something only you can do. Please try and find that strength. And, as someone suggested earlier, if you think he'll turn up at your house, call the police (101) in advance and warn them that you're expecting trouble. If he does turn up and you're scared/feel vulnerable, call 999 - if you don't feel safe, it's an emergency.

garlicbaguette · 16/09/2013 14:34

The house won't be empty, it'll have you - and it will only have your poo in the loo! (And none at all in the bath.)

KatyTheCleaningLady · 16/09/2013 14:34

I really like you, work. I have faith that you can get rid of him and get your life back. It may take you a little more time, but I don't think it will be too much longer. You've seen to much to go back. I'm not saying it is going to be easy, but it's the way forward and you can do it.

valiumredhead · 16/09/2013 14:55

Could you do something positive like get a kitten? They are so much fun, and company if you feel a bit lonely. In fact you never feel lonely with a kittySmile

Lweji · 16/09/2013 15:23

I'll be very honest here.

You're just tying yourself in knots and going around in circles, trying to justify yourself and analysing your relationship.

You are not happy. He is not contributing towards your happiness. He's actually making you miserable, giving you little snippets of niceness to keep you hooked.

You do not have to justify yourself. Just end it.
Post his stuff if you must and do it by text if you feel it will be too difficult face to face.
In any case, don't do it in your home. Choose somewhere you can leave when you want to.
And ignore all contact from him.

Workwhatwork · 16/09/2013 16:07

I am, but I'm fearful of the future. I no longer have any trust in my own judgement as I am an asshole magnet.

I knew he was a tosser in many ways that I have not even listed here. But the sex and dirty habits are just new revelations for me. How can I get to my age and not have realised how awful this is? Oh and I've also been putting up with daily piss on the toilet and greeted by an unflushed toilet most mornings. I thought the sex and his bad habits were the least of my worries.

I would be terrified to get into a other relationship. Ok I guess being single is not so bad, I just don't want to be that woman everyone gives the sympathy looks to " aw you'll meet someone" as though its the making of me.

I'd love to get a kitten I will consider it, although I am not sure taking on such a responsibility is a good idea when I'm so fed up.

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Vivacia · 16/09/2013 16:20

I just don't want to be that woman everyone gives the sympathy looks to " aw you'll meet someone" as though its the making of me.

What kind of thoughts do you think people are having about your situation at the moment?

AnyFucker · 16/09/2013 16:36

I feel tremendously sorry for you right now OP

The thing is, it is within your power now to not be an object of pity. Not just from people like me, but also yourself

Self pity is paralysing. You can change that around in one fell swoop, give your self esteem the boost of it's lifetime and simply tell this dickhead to sling his dirty arse out of your life

You can do it. If you really want to.

YoniBottsBumgina · 16/09/2013 16:44

The people who think you're nothing without a man aren't worth jack shit anyway. Most people won't think this at all and will just be happy that you're happy with your situation.

Look loads of us were asshole magnets and thanks to MN have been able to sort of re-program our twat radar - it can be done! But definitely have a break for a bit anyway. IME it's about totally changing your attitude towards relationships, rather than putting up with stuff as a trade off for not being alone like being alone is some terrible fate worse than death :) - it's about, well, my life is awesome already, if anybody wants to come into it they had better be even more awesome and just generally having high standards and not being afraid that that means "too picky/wanting the impossible" - a good place to start would be the threads about "Tell me about your good relationship/healthy relationship" which pop up from time to time.

This probably sounds weird and a bit full on right now, but it's a gradual process anyway - NOT for you to worry about right now.

Workwhatwork · 16/09/2013 16:53

You're right AF I am feeling sorry for myself.

I think because I keep going through waves of anger, sadness to even thinking I can somehow manage the situation.

He's working away for a few nights tomorrow anyway so I will have some time and space.

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YoniBottsBumgina · 16/09/2013 17:06

That sounds like the perfect opportunity to savour being free of him for a few days, and get a taster of what it would be like to not be bothered by him at all, ever!

AnyFucker · 16/09/2013 17:13

Him working away changes nothing, love

he will be back, and the cycle continues

use these few days to start accessing some of the RL support that has been linked time and time again on your thread

all these good people here think you are deserving of their concern...do you think their opinion is worthless too ?

Workwhatwork · 16/09/2013 17:20

Absolutely not worthless no.

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AnyFucker · 16/09/2013 17:21

You are worthy of their concern. Only you can change your life though.

garlicbaguette · 16/09/2013 17:26

My opinion isn't worthless Grin In my - highly informed - opinion, you're with a revolting, selfish sadist who's sucked the spirit out of you. Thing is, you can regain your spirit with time & peace; you just need to get shot of the parasite first.

You deserve so much better. You really do.

Workwhatwork · 16/09/2013 17:54

Thank you, and you're right, he has, or at least the relationship has sucked the spirit out of me.

He rang earlier to say he's finished work, all bright and cheery, no doubt he'll be lovely tonight unrecognisable from the horrible man the other night. I wish he was the nice man all the time, that is what is so confusing and makes me think that I must have done something to make him become nasty. I know that this is rubbish but it still leaves doubt.

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 16/09/2013 17:54

work contact WA about the freedom program. this will help.protect you from future bad rs.
Don't be own yourself because you found yourself i hope this situation. it happens to lots of women. it is not your fault. abusive men are very good at sucking you in.

What you can for now and be proud of is get out.

No rs is better then being in this rs. and o ce he is out of your life you open yourself up to all sorts of wonderful possibilities. i won't lie and say it will be great straight away. you have a tough few months ahead of you but think of it as time invested in you and your future. right now you are the bottom.of a not very pit. you cannot see the possibilities around you from down there. you need to climb out and see how good life can be.

You CAN do it OP. go for it!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 16/09/2013 17:55

That should say don't be down on yourself because you found yourself in this situation. phone. sheesh.

MikeOxard · 16/09/2013 20:36

Oh no. I came on here hoping to see you'd changed the locks and broken free! Ok, how about this - Book someone to change your locks on Thursday morning, and then allow yourself all the time you want to think about it and decide if that's the right decision or not. On Thursday morning, if you genuinely think 'no, this is a mistake, I want to stay with this fab man' then cancel the locksmith or turn him away when he arrives.

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