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Dh keeps doing something I don't like in bed

560 replies

Moochicken · 02/09/2013 22:10

Without wanting to go into too much detail, dh keeps doing something during sex which I don't like. I ask him not to and after a few minutes he does it anyway.

It doesn't happen every time but he did it again last night. He apologized after and said he won't do it again (he says this everytime) and now he can't understand why I'm still pissed off.

How seriously would you take this? If I said no and stopped sex he would listen and would never force me to do something but I still feel uncomfortable that he basically ignores my wishes.

OP posts:
stemstitch · 03/09/2013 19:54

Just for a bit of legal clarification, the offence is actually 'assault by penetration' (s2 Sexual Offences Act). If A inserts something into B's anus or vagina WITHOUT REASONABLE BELIEF IN CONSENT and the penetration is sexual (for clarification on consent, see s75 and 76 Sexual Offences Act www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/contents

Theoretically punishable by life imprisonment.

Obviously a matter for a jury, but chances are that the fact he has been repeatedly told that she doesn't like it adds up to no reasonable belief in consent - see s76 especially.

So, not hysterical really. Just, you know, the law...

CailinDana · 03/09/2013 20:01

Contrarian while I see what you mean I don't agree because pussyfooting around these sorts of things doesn't do any good.

By only using the word "rape" to signify a stranger dragging a blameless, preferably virginal, dressed head-to-toe in modest clothing, woman down an alley kicking and screaming and violently forcing her to have sex we (as a society) have allowed millions of rapists to get away with raping their partners sometimes for years and years on end. Because women in relationships who are actually being assaulted and raped by their partners are told "Oh it's not that bad," and they end up mistrusting their own feelings, persuading themselves that they're overreacting and putting up with things no human should have to put up with. They feel violated and angry but they are told they have no right to feel that way because "it's not as if he's raping you," and "he's so good in other ways, he doesn't mean it." So they are taught, by society, to ignore their own feelings and to forget about having control over their own body. They are taught that if they say yes to sex then everything else is fair game and starting to have sex means they lose the right to say no. That is NOT ACCEPTABLE.
Rape is rape is rape. And assault is assault is assault.

Rapists would like to muddy the waters by trying to distinguish between "legitimate rape" (ie virginal woman being dragged down the alley by a stranger) and...I don't know...something that is actually rape but that the rapist would prefer to be called something else so he can get away with it? Calling it by some sort of euphemism, framing it as "bad manners" WTAF?? only works in favour of rapists, not in favour of victims. It allows rapists to hide behind terminology, it allows them to force the victim to describe the "context" thus embarrassing and shaming her by requiring her to air her sex life so it can be analysed for ways in which she was "to blame" for her rape, ways in which she "sent the wrong signal" "didn't say 'no' loudly enough" "misunderstood" or some other bullshit.

The fact is, before you do anything to anyone's body the onus is on YOU, that is YOU Contrarian to find out if you have permission to do that thing, and if you don't have permission, you don't do it. If you have to ask to find out whether you have permission, then fucking well ASK! I always see people on these kinds of threads implying that actually talking during sex is somehow weird. Well I think if you can't talk to your sexual partner then that's bloody weird. If you can't say "Would you like me to suck it" before a BJ then why on god's green earth are you having sex?

Attitudes have to change, and fast. I am shit fucking sick of women having to justify why they don't want their bodies messed with. They don't want their bodies messed with because they are human fucking beings. They have an absolute right to dictate 100% (barring emergency medical treatment while unconscious) what happens to their bodies at all times. AT ALL TIMES. They have a right to be ASKED, WITH WORDS (yes that's directed to you Contrarian) if they want a certain thing done to their body. They should not have to remove fingers from their orifices or bat hands away from their genitals. Ever.

GoshAnneGorilla · 03/09/2013 20:05

^^ Yes exactly CalinDana.

Binkyridesagain · 03/09/2013 20:08

Spot on CailinDana.

AnyFucker · 03/09/2013 20:10

The blokes that come on these threads think they are the Sir Lancelot of the Ye Olde Verbal Jousting. It's just sport to them.

Sadly, they think they are winning.

scallopsrgreat · 03/09/2013 20:12

OP I hope you are OK. My advice would be to take a step back from your relationship and try and look at all aspects of it to see if your husband shows a similar sense of entitlement in other areas. If he does I would most definitely not have couples counselling with him. Individual counselling my be a better option for you regardless, if you want it.

I am sorry this thread hasn't gone the way you hoped. Lots of women on here have been where you are and I know most of them were just trying to help. This is a busy site and I can imagine it is very daunting to come back to lots of straight talking answers and arguments to boot.

Best of luck Moo. I hope you get some resolution.

MrsWolowitz · 03/09/2013 20:12

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scallopsrgreat · 03/09/2013 20:13

Scallopsgreat I was speaking more generally. But don't let that stop you from taking part of my post in isolation.......

That said, In real life (and be honest here) if you were going to give your partner a BJ, would you ask him first?

It didn't seem very general Contrarian, given the paragraph before and the sentences after were all about sex. Hmm

Anyway generally I gain positive consent especially if it is the first time I am doing something to or with someone.

I find it interesting that you keep using the BJ analogy. I find it quite creepy tbh that you asked me that specific a question and interesting at how you assume I am heterosexual. However, in answer, I haven't done anything to my partners without positive consent initially and then reading their body language and their enthusiasm on subsequent occasions, to ensure consent is there. If they have said no, I've stopped immediately.

scallopsrgreat · 03/09/2013 20:16

And YY to Cailin. Well said. The onus shouldn't be on your wife to say no.

curlew · 03/09/2013 20:19

Contrarian PMed in response to my ansewer to his BJ question, because I ended my reply with "you?"

"I was asking mine in the context of doing soemthing /with/for/to a partner when sometimes they like it, and sometimes they don't. (which I accept isn't what's happened to the op)"

Not sure what he meant, but I think it should be on the thread, not in my inbox.

AnyFucker · 03/09/2013 20:21

Yes, I want contrarian to stay the fuck out of my inbox too

creepy prick

Fairenuff · 03/09/2013 20:26

I'm waiting for him to answer the 'what would you do if a man put his finger up your arse at the gym' question.

(But not in inbox either, thanks)

runningonwillpower · 03/09/2013 20:28

My goodness what a lot of fuss about a bloke who is a bit crass in bed.

My theory is that he wants her to do it to him but doesn't like to ask.

AnyFucker · 03/09/2013 20:30

he's left the thread, apparently

too busy trying a few inboxes to see if he can find any submissive females to hang on every manly word

AnyFucker · 03/09/2013 20:31

poetic timing, right there Smile

Binkyridesagain · 03/09/2013 20:31

I knew I shouldn't have used advanced search, I need a shower.

ModeratelyObvious · 03/09/2013 20:38

A bit crass?

Bad mannered?

CailinDana · 03/09/2013 20:40

Running seriously? So what "qualifies" as assault in your world? How violated would your mother/friend/sister/daughter have to be before you wouldn't expect her to put up with it?

NotHerRealName · 03/09/2013 20:43

Ah! the old finger up the bum trick eh? I have one like this too. Only its his tongue eeewwww. Apparently I am a prude though, so there you are.

valiumredhead · 03/09/2013 20:45

He does it,OP says no he does it AGAIN. That is not 'a bit crass'Ffs!

Binkyridesagain · 03/09/2013 20:45

Are you tackling his lack of respect NotHerRealName?

CailinDana · 03/09/2013 20:46

Are you ok with him doing that notherrealname?

AnyFucker · 03/09/2013 20:47

If that is ok with you, not then there is no problem

are you ?

Ledkr · 03/09/2013 20:49

A bit crass?
What is wrong with some people?