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Imonlydreaming · 12/08/2013 22:24

I can't actually believe that I am typing this but I am getting myself in a real tizz about this situation.
My DH has recently begun working a bit further from home and pretty soon after that he started to "stay over" first in hotels, and now in a work colleagues house. (A man if that makes a difference) 2-3 times a week.

The other day our phones were on the side and one of them went off - he said was it yours - not actually asking me to look at his but I did and he had a text that said "I love you xxxxxxxxx" - not from me.
He got up and came over when he saw me open his phone and said straightaway - I used to work with her. Then told me a story about another friend who'd done the same to him. I thought it was strange, but people do make mistakes like that don't they?

After that his phone has had a pass code on - which he told me was because someone at work had taken his phone and left it in a communal area - possibly as a joke. Perfectly plausible of the place he works at.

Today he was having trouble with the signal on his phone and I asked if I could have the number where he's staying and he said that his own mobile would work there. Not actually refusing to give it to me - said he'd do it later (but hasn't).

Well of course the reason I'm writing this down is that I'm suspicious - we haven't exactly been that physical recently - but with 2 toddlers who don't sleep through and lots of illness and other family issues/ illness it's just been a bad time.

Am I reading between the lines and seeing an issue that isn't there? I know that a bunch of strangers on the Internet can't tell me the answers. I just know I couldn't talk to anyone in RL and to ask him would open a can of worms - that I'm just not ready to face.

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Tiptops · 27/08/2013 00:53

I'm so sorry that this hasn't turned out to be a big miscommunication dreaming . I've been following your thread from the beginning but don't feel well equipped enough to advise, but you've had some brilliant messages from other members.

I'm pleased that you have asked him to leave, and please don't feel obliged to tell him when he is welcome back at this stage. You are still very much riding the roller coaster of emotions and you'll be ready to make a choice about if/when he moves back in your own sweet time. For now you need to put yourself first, just as he has put his own feelings first up until now.

Wellwobbly · 27/08/2013 05:33

'although I can believe from him the love yous starting soon as he was like that with me at first very intense and proposed after only a couple of months together.'

When are are a bit further along this hell you will understand that that is is not a great sign. So is 'feels guilty now but didn't then'.

Poor dreaming. You are still automatically in love and trust mode. Listen to what he is really telling you: lying to you is NORMAL for him.

I do wish you had listened (and other MNetters had understood what I was saying) about hard evidence.

Because now you are running around trying to untangle all sorts of misdirections and you will go crazy trying to prove what you know emotionally - whilst he hides/delets, lies and minimises it all. It will make you obsessed, and bring on a hideous power struggle as you try and get him to be normal, like honest and open and care about you whilst he dodges and twists to keep the advantage.

The reason he behaved like that on holiday? Because this isn't between you and her. He wants both. He wants cosy domestic AND exciting fantasy. He doesn't love her! (he doesn't love you either, not the way you should be loved). He wants you in one cosy sphere of his life, AND her in the excitement, planning, naughty, forbidden lots of lovely attention for HIM. He wants all the benefits of marriage, AND to act as he pleases. This is the wonderful world of cake.

Dreaming, where you are is hell. So sorry for your pain but you WILL survive. You will get through this. Please reach out in RL to people.

mathanxiety · 27/08/2013 06:13

You did absolutely the right thing in asking him to leave. It doesn't reduce the hurt of course and it's cold comfort to you now, but you did the right thing and you will eventually feel stronger. This is the hard part.

You are dealing with a player. What he says and what he does are two different things. You should pay attention to what he does. He uses words, without any trace of conscience, to get what he wants and he will say anything that strikes him as fitting the bill for his purposes, which I bet are all short term goals. This is not the sort of man who believes the long term plans he makes with people. He speaks the long term language (will you marry me, I will love and honour, blah blah as long as we both shall live, blah blah) but it means nothing to him. He only says what gets him what he wants in the short term.

Don't fight over him with his trollop. Don't lower yourself to that level. It only makes him feel like some sort of gift to women.

mathanxiety · 27/08/2013 06:15

Trying to figure out why he said this or that while still doing x or y or z is guaranteed to do your head in.

Try instead to focus on your own here and now and your own plans. This will be very hard. You have spent quite a while dancing to his tune and ignoring your own life (holding the fort while he worked away to avoid the laughable commute) -- now you need to get back to the point where you are the centre of your own universe.

Lizzabadger · 27/08/2013 06:31

I am sure you are going through hell.

The overwhelming temptation will be to take him back to ease the short-term pain.

Don't do it. And minimise contact (with no checking Facebook). This is the quickest way to get over him.

Remember his man is not your friend. He will say anything to get what he wants and he only cares about himself.

Lizzabadger · 27/08/2013 06:35

Have a read and see if it rings any bells:

outofthefog.net/Disorders/NPD.html

Imonlydreaming · 27/08/2013 06:41

I've managed some sleep tbh I was exhausted with the roller coaster we're on.
But I just feel like shit and the DCs will be up soon and I have to try and carry on for them
I relied on H for support for everything he always made me feel ok - and that's how I'm feeling now wanting him to say its going to be ok
Of course I know that's what he'll say for himself
Just so mixed up and confused

Where do I go from here?? Hmm

OP posts:
ElBombero · 27/08/2013 06:45

Well wobbly I want you to be my life guru if this ever happens to me, I totally get what your sting about hard evidence and now OP will truly never know the extent of what's happening / happened and will drive herself mad trying to figure it out

Wellwobbly · 27/08/2013 06:49

One day at a time Dreaming.

When you can't do that, one morning/afternoon at a time. When you can't do that, one hour at a time. If you can't even do that, ten minutes at a time.

Remember that the universe/God/higher power sends us stuff for a reason. You were too dependent on him and gave him too much power. Now is your time to learn to be your own best friend. Your own support, your own advisor. You will make you feel ok, that is what the universe is telling you: the person who is best for you, is YOU.

Maybe you could start to read up on narcissistic/co-dependent cycle?

At the moment, everything Mathanxiety says is true (sorry). He is still in control of 'the story'.

Good luck dreaming it is a long hard process. One day at a time, and go onto Fireplace's thread for an example of someone who is doing it right (looking beyond the BS, making HER OWN decisions, taking the power back).

And do you know what the irony is? Those actions of Fireplace have the best outcome of all things: saving the marriage, getting him to grow up, and if not those things Fireplace coming out less hurt and wracked.

Mixxy · 27/08/2013 06:49

Well more than one woman is leaning on him for support and love, so unless you want to share him, I would say the only way is up.

You're being very strong, even if you don't feel it. Luckily enough for you he is following the script to the letter so it makes him easier to predict. Might not seem of much comfort to you now but it is easier to see the punches coming.

I feel very sorry for you. Try to not think about getting through the whole day. Just think about the morning for now. Can you get the kids breakfast and figure out a low stress activity for them? Toddlers, right? Maybe a lazy DVD morning or some tv? Whatever, its just one morning. See, this is where RL people who know can help. Try the next 3 hours and see how you feel. Get a cuppa and a shower yourself.

Imonlydreaming · 27/08/2013 07:02

I don't think he displays those behaviours - I would have been unhappier for a lot longer if that was the case.

This is all the more harder because we did have such a good relationship we often said we were a team and it really felt that way

By lying about the loan, credit card, bonus and then staying away increasingly often he took that teamwork away so that I was the woman who looked after the kids and he was free to do as he pleases

I know all this but I don't profess to understand it especially when he knows that without him I don't have the help I need.
His DP are dead, his siblings show very little interest in us and are busy with their own lives, my DP are both ill and ailing, my DSis lives abroad

Our friends are lovely but we've often said how we can't rely on them and have been disappointed by the attitude of some (eg when DTs born some friends we went out of our way to help asking if they needed shopping, did babysitting for etc still to this day haven't offered help)

We did talk a bit about his impulsiveness last night and his need it now attitude - he can be a bit obsessive about objects eg building a massive collection of items relating to his interest (which I never minded until he's said how we were struggling for money)

OP posts:
FlatCapAndAWhippet · 27/08/2013 07:07

:(

It will get better, I know, I know, same old wise words. Four years ago I was in the same position, all the minimising and deceit made me question myself and things that were really oh so obviously there. Be brave, you and your DC can go it alone, you will feel happy again, I don't mean the brave face that you'll wear for a while, I mean genuinely happy again. I'm not one to scream LTB but in my experience, the deceit and him gambling us, our sacred family were too hard to bypass and forgive. I wanted to be able to forgive him, so wanted to keep us all as our wonderful little unit but somehow it was beyond me.

Now, life is good, him he continues to spiral from one woman to the next, pops in and out of DD's life, DD mentions him occasionally. Sad, but only for him.

Mixxy · 27/08/2013 07:07

He deleted texts and messages, "remembered" what the loan was for when he knew you could prove he took it oit and minimized the affair to an emotional affair that was 3 or 4 non-dates long.

That is the script. Sorry.

Sorry to say that your team mate is playing off side. I know you feel that he is your only support, but he isn't.

Imonlydreaming · 27/08/2013 07:09

I don't know what I would do without all of you and your advice and support

OP posts:
MissStrawberry · 27/08/2013 07:24
Flowers

You are awesome.

It will feel like shit for quite a while but you have done the right thing.

You are showing your children how to respect yourself and not be walked over.

Once you know you are doing it on your own it will be so much easier as you have no expectations of support from a useless husband and shitty father. He hasn't just let you down, he has let his children down too.

You WILL be fine and there will always be someone on here to help you practically, legally and emotionally.

Wine
Trigglesx · 27/08/2013 07:26

He deleted texts and messages, "remembered" what the loan was for when he knew you could prove he took it oit and minimized the affair to an emotional affair that was 3 or 4 non-dates long.

This is important, Imonlydreaming. Please please think about this carefully. He is like a boxer, bobbing and weaving and sidestepping to avoid that KO. Initially he denies, then he grudgingly admits to things he now knows you can prove - but makes every effort to minimise so he doesn't look bad, if you told him you had further proof of something else, he would then suddenly "remember" something else and then be careful to minimise that as well.

He only gives ground when he knows he has no choice - until then it's deny and minimise all the way. His number one priority right now is himself. It is crucial that you remember that - he is only looking out for number one here. And he only ever will do. Even if he breaks it off with this woman, it's highly likely there will be another. Sorry, but in most situations, once a cheater, always a cheater.

I will say that you may regret later if you cover up his behaviour for others in your family and social circle. He needs to see that his actions have consequences. I'm not saying go all vicious and tell all, but be honest and straightforward "we've separated because he cheated on me with another woman." If he is embarrassed by it, that's too bad. Actions have consequences, he needs to understand that. My STBXH didn't cheat, but he was abusive, and I kept quiet about it when we separated and now have the pressure of family and friends thinking his idea of us getting back together is a good idea. Had I explained the situation clearly when we separated, they would have a much better understanding of why I am not willing to do so. So I basically helped him to save face and avoid embarrassment only to make things more difficult for myself in the long run. Why should I take the heat for his behaviour??

Kirstywirsty · 27/08/2013 07:43

Anyone got a link to thread detailing 'the script' or the dummy's guide to having an affair? I've had a search but just on my phone .. Will maybe help dreaming see his behaviour is typical and prepare her for the near future

dreaming you will get through this .. A stronger woman will come out the other side .. Keep posting on here .. I found the support to be a life saver .. I have a lot of RL friends but they didn't really understand when (unfortunately ) a lot of on here do

Kirstywirsty · 27/08/2013 07:48

Courtesy of Abitwobblynow

MIDLIFE for Dummies

Welcome to the wonderful world of Mid Life Crisis!! You are about to embark on one of the most perilous journeys you have ever taken. A journey fraught with intrigue and guaranteed to turn you inside out! This book is designed to help you make sure you get the most emotional bang for your buck.

In these pages are the "how to" answers to the questions you have been asking yourself about damaging as many people as you can along the way. Come on and dig in, it's time to get this roller coaster rolling on down the tracks!!

Chapter 1 - Choosing the Correct Speech

There are 4 basic speeches for you to choose from. They are:

a) I love you but I don't know if I'm in love with you.

b) I've never loved you, and we should never have gotten married.

c) We got married too young. I never knew anything besides you.

d) You tricked me into marrying you, I would never have done it otherwise.

Once you have decided on which speech to give, you need to cause as much anxiety in your spouse as you can before you actually give it. Continue to the next chapter for Lessons in building anxiety.

Chapter 2 - Lessons in Building Anxiety

You will find these lessons to be helpful in causing anxiety in your spouse and others (depending on the level of pain and damage you want to cause), not just prior to giving the speech, but throughout your MLC.

Lesson 1 - Monstrification of Your Spouse

This is easy to accomplish. Simply think of only the "bad" things that your spouse has done throughout your entire relationship. Have one of those "angel" spouses? No problem, just remember how bad she always makes you feel. DO NOT under any circumstances remember fondly your spouse, or anything they have done for you. Remember, they are going to be the cause of all of your problems, so it is imperative that you convince your self of this first.

Lesson 2 - Emotional Detachment

This will be very easy to do after accomplishing lesson 1. All you have to do is start reminding yourself that you don't care about them, what they feel, what they want, or if they hurt. Simple! Every time you remind yourself of this, you will get further and further away from your relationship emotionally. Now, that wasn't too hard was it? On to lesson 3

Lesson 3 - Mass Confusion and Indecision

This lesson requires a little more thought and attention. You must constantly practice saying "I don't know" to ANY and ALL questions. That is imperative!! Your spouse (and others) must never know precisely what is going on in-side your head. Also, never let them know where you are going, where you have been, who you were with (this will go hand in hand with the lesson on the Other Person, or OP), or whether or not they can expect you to return home.

Lesson 4 - Lies and Deceit

To get the most damage, and cause the most pain, you must lie and decieve at every opportunity. And to really achieve hall of fame status, you should be very inept at it, so that everyone knows that you are lying, or suspects, but can't prove it initially. This works very well for the following chapters, OP and Cake Eating.

Chapter 3 - The Other Woman (or OW)

Now it is time for you to succumb to temptation. You KNOW all of those other women want you! They have been coming on to you for years!! It is time for you to give them their chance at having some of you. Make sure that you leave a very confusing trail for your spouse to follow. One that lets them suspect, but have to dig and sneak (to make them feel worse about themselves) to find the information they need to prove it. Hold out admitting the affair as long as you can, and don't admit it ever, if you can get away with it.

Chapter 4 - Cake Eating

This chapter is designed to string your spouse along in uncertainty as long as possible, because as long as they have hope, they won't be able to go out and find their own lives and be fulfilled. Why should they get to do that, while you are so miserable? They shouldn't!! So, make sure that you are affectionate occasionally (not too often, as this will raise anxiety levels), that you drag your feet about making a decision on the marriage, and that you leave and come back several times (as many as you can get away with).

Chapter 5 - History Revision

It is very important that you revise the life you have lead with your spouse. You must use words like: Always, Ever, Never and All of the Time. Always precede the statement with the terms: you, I, and we. As in "you always nag me" "I never ever (double bonus here) get to do what I want" and "We have to do what you want all of the time". This will help to make your spouse feel like the way you are behaving is all their fault, and can cause them to feel even worse about themselves than they already did!!

Chapter 6 - It's All About You!!

Remember this is all about you! What you want and need, RIGHT NOW! You shouldn't have to wait until you can afford something, just go on out and get it! You deserve a new haircut, new clothes, and some new toys. You've worked for it. You would probably look great in that new Convertible, or on that new Harley!! So don't hesitate! You live in the here and now! So why wait until tomorrow!!

Remember, the word is CRISIS and if you are in one, EVERYONE else should have to ride the Roller coaster with you! It's no fun taking a ride alone, and you know what they say about misery loving company! Go on out there and get started, so much pain and damage, and so little time!

Chapter 7 - Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away

This chapter is to help you deal with the problems that your spouse will try to cause. We don't want you to have to "deal" with anything, now do we? You shouldn't have to "think" about any "issues" right now, except those that concern you "feeling good". The best way to handle this, is to Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away. Any time someone tries to make you see a more "reasonable" stance on a subject, simply Avoid making a reply...stare out into space, as if you are thinking about something important, and they will become uncomfortable and leave you alone.

If there are responsibilities that need your attention, simply ignore them. You don't have to do anything you don't feel like doing. And the best for last is Run Away! This can be accomplished in many different ways. OP's can help you Run Away from all of these "problems" as well as Alcohol, Drugs, New Sports Cars....etc the list is endless. Of course, you can always just leave...but remember not to let them know where you are going, and if you'll be back!!

Chapter 8 - MC and Therapists

Your spouse may ask you to go to counseling with her. This is only useful to make them feel better. It cannot possibly have anything to you so there is no reason for you to follow-up with anything suggested--it doesn't matter to you. The only thing you should look for is more reasons (excuses) for avoiding, running and ignoring (see previous chapter).

Chapter 9 - I Don't Have To if I Don't Want To and You Can't Make Me!

Remember that this is about YOU, and what YOU want and how YOU feel!! No one else is important, so don't let them make you feel as if you have to listen to anything they say. Your spouse will try to help you of course, because they love you. Don't let them get away with giving you unwanted advice. Let them know in the teenage vernacular, that they can't make you do anything.

This is important, you must be as childish as possible!! Any truly adult behavior on your part will only convince them that you are listening to what they are saying, and you will have to start back at the beginning. Of course, this technique can be used knowingly to cause more confusion and chaos, just beware of the danger, you don't actually want to start acting like an adult!!

Chapter 10 - How To Threaten and/or How To Move Out

You threaten to move out for weeks or months but you don't. ()You tell your spouse that you got too much on your plate right now to look for a flat but that you will do so in 2 weeks time. After 2 weeks, repeat from ().

If your wife wants to come too close to you, like entering your bedroom to talk to you, tell her to stay away or you will move out. When she replies that you will move out anyway tell her that you will move out faster if she comes any closer

Chapter 11 - Art of Clinging

The Art of Clinging to the End of the Mattress without falling off the matrimonial bed while still sharing it with your spouse.

Chapter 12 - Advanced Lessons

This is usually reserved for those in more difficult situations, where the LBS has responded not by tossing you out, threatening to leave, or filing for divorce, but instead persists in not only OFFERING to cooperate, but actually MAKING THE CHANGES you said you needed.

"I am tired of living like this/I don't want to live like this anymore/I am not going to live my life like this?" often is coupled with another advanced tactic, "It's not you, it's me".

This line is most effective AFTER the LBS has jumped through hoops and bent over backwards. It basically confirms that no matter what changes the LBS is willing to make, the incompatibility lies within the MLCer, who has no intention of, or implied desire or ability to, compromise.

Appendix

HOW TO MAKE YOUR SPOUSE THINK SHE IS CRAZY

  1. When confronted by the evidence of an EA or PA, become very indignant. Stress that the LBS is obviously just a jealous sob/bi*ch, and you are entitled to "buddies" of the opposite sex.
  1. Never, ever answer the question, "Are you okay? Is there something wrong?" with a direct answer that might actually lead to a discussion that might help the marriage. Continue to never talk to spouse, never give her/him a personal compliment or touch of affection and by all means work on the "cling to the edge of the mattress to avoid touching" manoeuvre that is so successful in making your spouse crazy.
  1. Always bear in mind that your spouse will expect you to want to at least give them the chance to "fix" the marriage. Since you have already checked out emotionally (of course NEVER tell them that!), you are under no obligation to actually listen to anything they say or acknowledge anything they do. This tactic is also extremely beneficial when they employ the MLC diet. When they lose a massive amount of weight and you are in ear shot of someone who mentions to spouse about the weight loss, say "Are you losing weight? Why don't you ever tell me things?"
  1. Of course one of the most successful ways to drive them crazy may only be used when you have earned the MLC Black Belt. Go to marriage counselling for months, let them pour out their soul to you and the counsellor and let them believe they are actually accomplishing something. Then arrange things so the spouse finds you in your own home with OW. This will accomplish two things: a. She will finally have to understand how lucky you are to have found your "soul mate" and b. She will be doubly betrayed because she thought you were actually working on the marriage.

DON'T LET YOUR SPOUSE GET TOO INDEPENDENT - STATEGIES FOR SUCKING YOUR SPOUSE BACK IN

  1. Make negative comments about OW or the chances that the relationship with OW will succeed. HOWEVER, under no circumstances, make any commitment to end the relationship with OW.
  1. Make veiled hints about suicide or excessive drinking or drug use. Be erratic and hard to contact.
  1. Do random acts of kindness such as garden work or something. That will keep your spouse confused and hopeful.
  1. Make vague comments hinting that things might work out between you and your spouse IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, under no circumstances take any actions to work anything out.

CUSTODY - Using the Kids To Your Advantage

If you have children, they can be extremely useful for inducing fear and panic in your spouse. Recommended phrases include, "You're poisoning my kids against me", "You put that idea into their heads", and "You need to do [insert pertinent action here] for the sake of the kids'." Remember, your spouse, being a responsible and loving person, is not only trying to cope with his/her own feelings, but trying to protect the children, and you can use that to your advantage.

Don't forget to use the fact that if you spend any time with your kids, you should get Extra Credit Bonus Good Parent points from your spouse. It doesn't matter if you feed them ice cream for breakfast and have them watch "Hellboy" when they asked for "Veggie Tales", you Just Wanted To Make Them Happy, and since YOU are the best judge of Happiness, that makes you Super Parent.

You can use this opportunity to trash talk your spouse ("Isn't this more fun than what Mommy/Daddy would let you do?" "Mom/Dad doesn't know how to relax.") which of course, will be repeated back to your spouse so you get the benefit of destroying their self-esteem second hand.

Highly advanced MLCers may want to start casually using the word Custody, but be very, very careful. While useful for sending your spouse into a state of panic, you certainly do not want to be responsible for a bunch of kids who will seriously cut into your personal fun time. The word Custody should only be used in a casual tone of voice for the most devastating effect.

BUTTON PUSHING

You (the mlcer) know a lot about your spouse. You know what pushes their buttons to get them both upset and/or happy. You have the power, you can do it! So using the kids to upset them is fair game (see section on how to use "custody" to upset them but not take on the "custody"). And if that ever stops working, find something else. Suggestions might include pets, valuables in the home, their appearance, family, career. Nothing is out of your reach since you have put in so many years getting to know your spouse--use what you know.

THE BLAME GAME

By now, you should be aware that all of this MUST be your spouse's fault, however, your spouse may not understand this completely yet, so you need to start planting the seeds.

There are several ingenious ways to put the blame on your spouse, and we will be exploring them all.

Method 1: The Non-Blame Statement

I'm trying not to blame YOU

This statement implies that you are "not putting the blame on them" but on closer look (which your spouse is guaranteed to be doing) The words actually put all of the blame on the spouse (where of course we know it belongs).

Method 2: The Passive Blame Statement

I don't think that I can live with you.
My opinion never mattered to you.
I can't live like this.
We rarely have fun anymore.
I don't want to live this way anymore.

These are passive statements that don't actually assign blame to your spouse, but your spouse will definitely get the idea if you use them. They can't help but see that it MUST be them that makes you feel this way.

Method 3: The Direct Blame Statement

You never listen to me.
You never put creases in my pants.
You use bagged salad.
You never keep the house clean.
You are going to do it your way.

All of these are direct statements of blame. You should mix actual faults with things that don't really matter to make it more confusing, and make your spouse feel as bad as possible about themselves.

Your spouse has probably already started doing the hard work to look inside his/herself (Yuck, what an awful thought!) and will take on all of the faults you list to try and correct them. This will keep them occupied for awhile, and you can avoid any serious relationship talks while they apologize for and try to fix all of their own faults.

Make sure that you don't actually accept the apology, that way you can continue to bring the fault up which will slow down their self improvement process. Remember, they are working on becoming better human beings, and you wouldn't want that to happen to fast, as that would interfere with your ability to string them along.

Note: NEVER ACTUALLY ADMIT TO ANY FAULTS OF YOUR OWN!!!! REMEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY! YOU ARE THE GOOD ONE, AND HAD THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN AFFAIR, LIE, SPEND MONEY, OR ANY OTHER THING, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BAD!!!

Let's not forget "We're just incompatible - we always were."

Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL. If all else fails, put the LBS down for being so willing to change herself for your needs. Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL."

How to keep you spouse guessing...be mean one minute threatening divorce, etc then next day be kind and sweet almost the way your spouse remembers you..rinse repeat....

HOW TO CONTINUE THE CRAZINESS ONCE SEPARATION/DIVORCE IS AGREED UPON

  1. Even though by now you, dear MLCer, have done everything human possibly to convince your spouse that you do not love him/her and want out, when the time comes to actually file, DON"T DO IT! This is the coup de gras of MLC. Absolutely DO NOT TAKE THE INITIATIVE. This is a most vital and awesome crazy-maker. Holding out will force your by now totally devastated spouse to finally throw up his/her hands and seek legal counsel.
  1. Once the LBS has had enough and decides that divorce is in their best interest, you have won HUGE points here. Refusing to be the one to file now puts YOU in the role of victim, bringing you all the attention and pity necessary to allow you to again regain your image of the abused one in all this. Now you can, with absolutely NO guilt, tell everyone the divorce was your LBS's idea (which of COURSE it was!) and they will assume that:

a. the LBS lost all that weight and obviously has been involved in an affair, and

b. the marriage ended because your LBS spouse is going through a - YES! THE PINNACLE OF CRAZINESS! - Midlife Crisis!!

Copyright The Midlife Club

Kirstywirsty · 27/08/2013 07:51

And this from Slambang
To summarise many many MN threads, the steps are ...

Faced with suspicions "of course I'm not having an affair. I love you."
Faced with evidence. "I'm not having an affair. Shut up."
Faced with incontrovertible proof. "I'm not having an affair. You're mad."
Faced with being kicked out. "Yes there is another OW but we haven't done anything. It's all emotional. I'm so confused"
Faced with not being allowed back home. "Actually, she's the love of my life and I never loved you."
Faced with divorce. "I'm madly in love with her. You are an evil bitch."

6 months to 2 years later. "I made a terrible mistake. I love you.Can I come back?"

backinaminute · 27/08/2013 09:36

I've just read this whole thread. Op I think you're amazing.

I know you think you can't do this without him but actually you have been doing for a while now and sounds like you've been doing a brilliant job. Maybe it's the thought of his 'support' but when you actually think about it, that hasn't really been there and you've been doing it all by yourself.

Stay strong and good luck Thanks

Imonlydreaming · 27/08/2013 09:44

He just rang -
Not to say how much he misses/ loves/ wants me but to tell me about something left in the carShock
I think it was just so he could end the conversation without saying I love you for the first time in 13 years HmmHmm

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Mixxy · 27/08/2013 10:01

Don't forget he also left her address in the SATNAV in the car. He is careless with things, isn't he?

Take it out of the car, leave it outside the house, tell him when to pick it up and be gone when he does.

He's trying to make YOU sweat it now. Don't let him.

pregnantpause · 27/08/2013 10:06

Other poster predicted this. You have stood strong, now he's angry. Punishing you trying to make you jump for him. How urgent can the thing in the car be? He's trying to take back control.

Trigglesx · 27/08/2013 10:09

It's possible he's simply trying to keep you on edge, so you can't think clearly.

We did talk a bit about his impulsiveness last night and his need it now attitude - he can be a bit obsessive about objects eg building a massive collection of items relating to his interest (which I never minded until he's said how we were struggling for money)

Can you see how this relates to the OW? He wanted it now. She (and you) are just a collection to him IMO. He wants what he wants and he wants it now.

Imonlydreaming · 27/08/2013 10:09

It's the DCs change bag in his car wherever he maybe - it's only a few clothes but the conversation and having to find another bag for stuff so we can go to the park has floored me Hmm

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