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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
minkembernard · 15/08/2013 22:57

Flora ((hugs)) I know it is hard. and you too jackie As a compassionate person, you find it impossible to believe that someone would behave so callously towards another person without good reason.
but they are not normal people. they don't think about your feelings the way you think about other peoples'.

there is no good reason for their behaviour. it isn't you. it is them. you will get over this. they will always be emotionally stunted FWs. don't spend too much time trying to understand them. be thankful that you are a decent person who cannot imagine treating someone else like that.

and Shock at his mother.

Flora I really think you need to ignore, ignore, ignore some more. of course he is going to be blaming you. has he ever taken responsibility for anything? look at lemon's FW trying to make her responsible for the shedHmmConfused

I used to be fun and confident you will be again. that is the best revenge. to go back to being yourself and live your life.

fi Brew hope you are ok.

rose how are you doing? congrats on the bed building triumph.Smile
have you heard anything from him or he is staying out of your hair (fingers crossed)

beggin I threw mine out a while back but we owned our own houses so it was not as complicated as it is for many people. rose left only this week WineSmile and there are others at various stages of washing their FWs outta their hair. so wherever you are, there will be someone else in the same boat train . take your time to let it sink in. it is a horrible realisation and it takes time to adjust and to process it. to detach and to plan. be kind to yourself.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 15/08/2013 23:03

Thanks Mink and thanks everyone. Your stories help me see he isn't worth it. It's hard when you know it is bullshit, yet theybelieve they are in the right. I hope I go to hate then indifference soon.

minkembernard · 15/08/2013 23:06

tis I know nothing of Norfolk except turkeys but Wine lovely to see youSmile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/08/2013 23:12

Aww. FW's decent side showing through tonight: he's just helped me scan my application form for the house. No attempts to read it or take over or nuffink, just help.

Phew!

Have emailed them to agent. Fingers crossed could cause arthritis... credit checks prob not completed before Tuesday!

OP posts:
minkembernard · 15/08/2013 23:14

charlotte

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 15/08/2013 23:14

We miss you, too!

Jackie, maybe try to think about non-FWy people, like your dcs, and their opinion of you. It counts for a lot more than his! Hope you're feeling stronger again now.

Flora - conversations like that can really knock you for six. Try to avoid them as much as possible - as you say, you really can't cope with it. Who could?

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ponygirlcurtis · 15/08/2013 23:24

Tis - sorry, don't know either re Norfolk. Sad But have googled Women's Aid in Norfolk and came up with this www.leewaysupport.org/

Charlotte great news! Good luck, everything crossed for you, even till Tuesday. Wine on ice.

Flora and Jackie it's hard, so hard in the early days. Keep going. Flora, his mum sounds like she's maybe cut from the same cloth as her sun. Ignore her. Ignore him. Don't beat yourself up for contacting him, draw a line, accept it was a blip, move onwards and upwards.
Jackie you are worth 10 of him. I wish I could tell you that you'll get the answers, but the best you can do is start trying to coming to terms with not being able to know. Hugs to you both.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 15/08/2013 23:36

Thanks. I feel better. Chatting to you ladies and a bit of Miranda has cheered me up. Yes, upwards and onwards!

FairyFi · 15/08/2013 23:36

not physically sick, altho sometimes I feel not far off. No just had more than I can stomach, emotionally and mentally... thanks you lovelies for your wishes xxxx

ponygirlcurtis · 15/08/2013 23:36

sun??????? Am hilariously exhausted. Son, of course!!! Hmm Jeepers, I gotta go to bed...

ponygirlcurtis · 15/08/2013 23:37

Thinking of you lovely Fi - PM me if you want to rant. xx

minkembernard · 15/08/2013 23:41

yay for Miranda Grin

FairyFi · 15/08/2013 23:43

and (((hugs))) to Tis xxxx

have you tried here

LemonDrizzled · 16/08/2013 00:04

Hi Tis stay strong lovely!and Fi

Pony After he refused to leave I moved out To my lovely Little House and the DC stayed with him as it was their home. He has been helping with my rent but I have paid him maintenance Angry
Now DC have all left college I support them directly through Uni. And we are selling up to live nearby. Interesting times. I wonder where the DC will choose to stay now

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/08/2013 00:08

Hello lovely Tis! Of Norfolk I know nuffink but a warm welcome to your friend and hugs to you.

Fi so sorry my lovely- can we help? Pm maybe? Xxxx

Mink Pony Lemon and everyone hello lovely ones.

Charlotte good luck, excited for you!

Flora the mum sounds barking. It's her not you and her toxic crap explains a lot about her son. Look after yourself in small ways as much as possible while the going's rough.

Jackie i hope very much that your pain will slowly recede though it probably doesn't feel like it can yet. We're here for you.

Lemon great news on sale front how amazing :))

Beggin it is an awful shock when you first realise. I felt, surely this can't be me, my life. But something led me here and that was my subconscious knowledge seeking out truth. I ltb then got tricked back to house by his very EA manipulation of dcs (suicide threats to them) and am now in same house divided in two while I seek divorce. But not sure if I can continue under same roof although want to keep house for kids' stability, because he's putting me under enormous pressure. So am in tortuous limbo which is painful and demoralising. Being on here helps big time. A quick summary in response to your question!

minkembernard · 16/08/2013 01:07

breathe are you back from holiday? and is there any time estimation for the divorce/resolution of the divided house? wishing you strengthSmile holpefully it won't be too much longer.

night all.

Dearjackie · 16/08/2013 06:04

Hi ladies its me awake too soon again?? Angry

Thak you all for your support I really couldn't manage without it just now. Sending love and best wishes back to everybody Flowers
charlotte glad things went ok for you with FW yesterday evening. Keeping my fingers crossed

flora hope you are feeling a bit better this morning pony is right the mothers attitude explains a lot about the son. I remember speaking to my FW mother after an huge argument with him and being told I had issues I needed to address and I literally couldn't get a word in edge ways for the whole telephone call. I came off the phone feeling like I'd done ten rounds with him again so yes, like mother like son. Stay strong lovely Flowers

breathe thank you it really means everything to be here with people that DO understand and can support each other

Much love to everybody Brew

Dearjackie · 16/08/2013 07:33

Have just had a cry again. I remembered he sent me a text 2 days after he left which said he will always love me, sorry he wasn't the one, though he really wished he could've been, and he hoped I'd be happy. Sad

That's so final and it sounds like I made him unhappy and he felt he couldn't make me happy. It also make him sound so nice and reasonable. Can you see why I'm messed up. I want to stop analysing but am finding it impossible at times

minkembernard · 16/08/2013 07:57

Jackie sorry you are not sleeping well. He Will not be all bad. of course they can be reasonable at times, or sound reasonable and charming, and caring. if they were irrideemably bad no one would fall for them.
Nice sauce and a lovely garnish. but under it still a greasy bloater.

Have you looked at the abusive personality types to see which one(s) he fits? It is one of the links above. someone might be able to remember which one...it might help to put him in a box.

beggin you might find should i stsynor should i go now worth a read. you can decide if you think he might be open to it. for me it just confirmed he was never going to change as he was not going to take those steps.

minkembernard · 16/08/2013 08:01

t ypes of abusive men

LemonDrizzled · 16/08/2013 08:18

Bernard is on great form this morning Grin

LemonDrizzled · 16/08/2013 08:23

Jackie it is okay to be sad and grieve for what you have lost. Your hopes for the future and the man you thought he was have been snatched away. Let it fill you and have a cry and soon it will pass. This stage is like a rollercoaster!

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 16/08/2013 08:31

Jackie, so sorry. Its hard isnt it. My FW told me yesterday, after reeling out all my faults, that he wss sorry for all the upset and he wasnt blameless and in time Id hate him. Like you, its grieving for something you invested a lot of time and effort into. I find rejection hard.
Be kind to yourself. Can you try and nap in the afternoon? xx

minkembernard · 16/08/2013 09:00

In time you will hate him and eventually you will just stop caring at all.
Thanks

Bernard is a mence Grin mence his word. Not mine. maybe he was trying fir Bernard is immense Confused when I meant menace.

ninilegsintheair · 16/08/2013 09:01

Read the thread this morning and thought I'd stumbled into the past Grin Hi Lemon, long time no see. It must be very satisfying to know even this far down the line that you made the right decision.

And hi aswell Leclerc. Miss you too! No real knowledge of Norfolk I'm afraid but I hope your friend's friend's friend gets the support she needs.

Fi, hope you feel better soon! Thanks

Fingers crossed for you Charlotte. Smile

Flora, as the other ladies have said, sounds like your FW's mum has taught her son a lot in the EA stakes! Ignore and detach if you can, some people will always side with family regardless.

Jackie, it's really tough in the early days. I remember wandering around in a daze when I realised what my FW was. Be gentle with yourself, if you need to cry, do it. Like Lemon says, it's a rollercoaster right now. But we're here. Smile

We need a FW graduate list! Of those who have made it to the other side so the rest of us can see there's light at the end of the tunnel. Grin