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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BloomingRose · 30/08/2013 01:54

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 30/08/2013 03:05

Sounds like self-defence against assault, using reasonable force on your part. Some posters would suggest where to aim, but that might not be reasonable force, perhaps though satifying

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 07:10

FW bingo has already begun! This man is unbelievable.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 30/08/2013 07:49

rose it is anotherFW classic. doing something you do not like on the guise of a joke to show you that physically they aredominant. if i had retaliated against my FW anyway other than verbally it would just have escalated.

Trigglesx · 30/08/2013 08:25

Rose I love the peace as well. No "atmosphere" hanging over in the evenings. No stressing over whether me or the DCs are going to say or do something that makes him go off. Yes, I go through bouts of feeling a little down, but I am trying to make a point to keep myself busy when that happens or do something for myself. Re the stairgate and your DD, I think you need to do whatever feels comfortable for you - but it sounds like you struggle with something I struggle with as well - sharing too much info with EH. He'll only take the opportunity to make it all about you and make you feel bad. I think it's because we're used to discussing decisions with them and it becomes habit. Trust yourself to make these decisions - it'll be fine. I'm slowly getting better at it. Can you cut down on the contact with your FW? I keep most communication with EH to either texts or very brief phone calls, other than when he is here visiting the DCs.

DS2 is much better now staying in his room, so the gate on his door is mostly open now. I plan on removing it soon. Basically, I started out telling him that as long as he stayed in his room like a big boy, then I would leave the gate open, but if he was out wandering from his room, I'd have to close it. A few nights of settling him back in his room a few times, then having to close the gate when needed pretty much sorted it. We have a couple things he can use in his room if he likes - a little click on nightlight that runs on batteries (rechargeable) and a small wind up musical bear that he plays the music on and drifts back off to sleep. I still have a monitor in his room, so he can call for me and I'll hear him easily.

nini everything ok?

betterthanever · 30/08/2013 08:34

rose pleased you are feeling some peace, more will come. Re; the stairgates I put one on DS's bedroom for early waking - he learned how to open it himself within about two weeks, so I took it off - at least you can decide and he has no say in it, it is your space my lovely. I used to leave snacks for DS as that was what was him early. His physcial `joking and playing' sounds horrible.

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 09:18

No, its very far from ok. :( just doing the food shop, will update in a bit.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 30/08/2013 09:24

nini (((hugs)))

Bill Walker what a FW i don't think this is getting as much coverage outside Scotland as it should be. typical arrogant FW.

I am not for MPs or MSP being barred for being charged or connected of any crime. some crimes are political.protest related. but any crime of either dishonesty or violence and that should be that. but mostly what aprick. has he no shame?

Trigglesx · 30/08/2013 10:04

thinking of you nini hang in there....

Inthequietcoach · 30/08/2013 11:11

Rose, FWex used to corner me for hugs/kisses even when I said no, leave me alone. He just carried on. But even when I pointed out what he was doing, it would be 'oh, i suppose you will say i am cornering you now' and he would still do it. It carried on post-split until I told him it constituted sexual harrassment. No, you were not in the wrong.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 30/08/2013 12:10

Sorry for no personals. I'm feeling down today. 5 weeks now since fw left and all the advice, help, everything has not registered with me today. I miss the man he used to be. I feel so lonely. I'm afraid to be on my own, so much so my house is a tip. I'm still signed off work as I can't face it.

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 12:36

Sorry all, this one's about me. Trying to pack so bear with me.

Last night - we went to bed early. I'm reading my book and he's asking for cuddles (translation = sex). I told him I was reading. He lay there and pouted for a bit, then when I turned the light off he got up out of bed. I asked him where he was going. "Downstairs", says he. I ask what's wrong. He sighs and says "Well we can't discuss it." I ask him what he means but he ignores me and goes downstairs. He slept on the sofa all night.

For some reason his phone alarm went off at 6am (usually he gets up at eithe rhalf 6 or 7 when DD and me get up). I was trying to turn his alarm off by which point I'm wide awake. He comes into the bedroom in silence, bangs around getting clothes etc, then goes back out. At 6:15 he got in his car and drove off.

He's taken the car seat with him so I had to walk DD to nursery when I wanted to drive as I've got so much packing to do. I'm guessing he's gone to work (he's supposed to be doing a half day as we were going to get on the road for 3pm). But I don't know.

I'm so angry. First thing I did when I got home was to go to buy another car seat (£100 I don't have) so at least if this happens again I have a car seat for DD in my car. And if he doesn't come home we can still go camping.

I'm angry. And wondering what to say to my family if I turn up at the campsite with DD but without him. I don't know what to do next and I can't make sense of this, although I'm aware this is one of his 'punishment' things he does because the only person hurt will be me (I'll be the one making excuses to my family).

Meantime, I'm trying to pack at the moment, thinking it'll just be DD and me. Which would be no bad thing but she'll be asking where he is, and how do you explain it to a 2 year old?

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 12:37

Sorry to hear you're having such a bad day Flora, hang in there. ((hugs))

ponygirlcurtis · 30/08/2013 13:03

Flora sorry to hear you are feeling so down today. Can you get out the house and go for a walk or do something nice for yourself - coffee and cake somewhere? That will help break the thinking cycle at least.

Nini - he's already started his campaign to make you worry that the whole weekend will be ruined, so you'll get in line with how he wants you to behave so he'll come. He possibly has every intention of coming home just about in time to leave (but cutting it fine, maybe around 2.45pm) but wants to punish you all day until then. Can you get in touch with him? If so, you could tell him that you are upset by his storming off and leaving you in the lurch with no car seat. And that you plan to leave at 3pm and if he is not back by 2.30pm in time to pack some stuff for himself, you will be going without him.

Don't worry about explaining it to DD, you just need to say 'Daddy couldn't make it but we'll have lots of fun anyway'. And tell your relatives the truth, that he's an arsehole and he's been making your life miserable.

Mink just seen that story on Bill Walker. Vile. Sad

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 30/08/2013 13:21

nini i agree he is having a tantrum. don't lie on his behalf. tell your family the truth. and if he is not back go without him.

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 13:24

Cant tell family, its my extended ones - cousins, aunts, they wont understand. Sad but I will text him now, thanks for the idea Pony. Watch this space.

Trigglesx · 30/08/2013 13:26

nini First of all, don't make excuses for him to your family. Be calm, tell them he drove off in a huff and you don't know where he is, and let them draw their own conclusions. Why should you take his heat?? And just explain to your 2yo that Daddy is busy with something he had to do, but we're going to have a lovely weekend camping." She'll be excited seeing family, right? So she'll be distracted to some extent. Enjoy your weekend without him. He's trying to rattle you - imagine the impact on him if you blithely go ahead with plans unrattled. Grin Don't let on that it bothers you at all.

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 14:16

Well he's home and we've had a massive row (why can I never do this without crying?). Apparently I'm not intimate enough with him, to which I replied that I cant be with someone who doesnt respect me. Nothing I said got through. Im hiding upstairs and feel weak.

betterthanever · 30/08/2013 15:12

nini you are not weak - he is being a manipulative bully, he thinks if he behaves like this you will do what he wants in future. Please tell your family you have nothing to be ahsamed of - I didn't tell people about my FW at the start and wish I had. Keep strong - HE is to blame. I am so angry at him. He doesn't deserve a nice weekend away - you go with your family. You don't have to be intimate with him if you don't want to and buyying someone into loving them is so wrong - you poor thing - he really needs to grow up but he sees nothing wrong with himself.

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 15:14

I know, better. Sad he says ive changed.

In the car now, hes coming. But at least we both know it.

betterthanever · 30/08/2013 15:23

So what if you have changed... you are not putting up with him being rude anymore which is good. Keep strong beautiful.

Inthequietcoach · 30/08/2013 15:27

Oh, nini, I got the 'you have changed'. What it means is that you have realised that you were not being respected, and you are setting boundaries. I was not affectionate/intimate enough either.

What did he really expect? He is trying to pressure you to have sex with him against your will, by making not doing it so unpleasant, and using emotional manipulation and bullying. That is coercion, depending where you are in the UK, it is against the law, it is definitely controlling and abusive behaviour. I am really sorry Sad

ninilegsintheair · 30/08/2013 15:43

Thanks guys, appreciate it. Its gonna be a long weekend, give me strength...

ponygirlcurtis · 30/08/2013 19:46

Courage, dear nini. Can't imagine this weekend is going to be anything other than a trial for you. Sad But just get yourself through it safely and with as little drama as possible - FW will be looking to create it, so be aware of his attempts and pour water on them whenever possible. (Possibly actual water! 'Woops, sorry FW, just putting out the campfire, didn't see you there...' Grin)

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/08/2013 21:57

Good luck Nini, keep posting, that'll help keep your feet on ground. xx

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