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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Inthequietcoach · 30/08/2013 22:09

Strength water in buckets, nini

ponygirlcurtis · 31/08/2013 08:00

bounty? You ok lovely? Been thinking about you all week. Hope things are ok. Let us know, if you can. xx

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 31/08/2013 08:50

bounty seconding what pony said. if today is the move, hope it goes well. Thanks

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 31/08/2013 11:04

Also been thinking of bounty!

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betterthanever · 31/08/2013 12:12

Sending strong vibes bounty Flowers

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Lahti · 31/08/2013 14:25

Hello ladies, I just wanted to give you an update on how I'm getting on. I first realised STBXH was an EA and FW in Feb when I read through this thread.... I had a few panic attacks about it all especially re the gaslighting and how I had become so dependant on him for everything. I remember reading something about it taking about 2 years from realising it was abuse to leaving the relationship and just felt sick. Anyway somehow I got him out of the house and started divorce proceedings. He hated the fact I was in control of it all but thankfully I had lots of support even my parents came around quickly. I got my decree nisi 3 weeks ago and will be applying for my absolute at the end of Sept. it has happened so quickly that I can't believe it but life is SO MUCH BETTER!

TheSilverySoothsayer · 31/08/2013 14:33

(not easy with Brew in hand Wink ) - what great news, Lahti

Lahti · 31/08/2013 14:35

Thank you silver Funny how strong we can all be without a FW controlling us.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 31/08/2013 17:16

Brilliant lahti. It is not something you should ever have had to do but you have done it well. Thanks
And thank you for the update.

Lahti · 31/08/2013 17:30

Forgot to mention that it was our anniversary last week. So I'm celebrating with my friends tonight. I look back at last years anniversary and remember how it was all about him, his choice of restaurant, going out early as that was what he preferred.... And knowing that I would have to sleep with him that evening. I'm a completely different person now.

BloomingRose · 31/08/2013 18:04

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TheSilverySoothsayer · 31/08/2013 19:16

(gentle hug) for rose. It is Saturday - how was he going to pay it? might it be in the system. Mind you, sadly this leaves no doubt that you cannot factor him into your plans, nor rely on him even if he agrees something. This may sound harsh, but suppose he had died suddenly. You would manage somehow - and you will.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 31/08/2013 20:39

It is so sad, Rose, that your DD has only one loving, faithful parent when she should have two. It must seem so unfair. But just as it is not the outcome you wanted, so also it is not your fault.

And DD has you as her constancy and she will form close attachments to other adults. If he really doesn't want to be an important part in her life, then that is his loss, but shouldn't be hers.

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betterthanever · 31/08/2013 20:42

rose this may sound strange but try not to take it personaly - he is a selfish twunt and doesn't care or love anyone but himself - was has DD done to him? - nothing - yet he feels no responsibility towards her and is not wanting to see her. BUT this may just be another test, a way to get you back - hold tight Rose - ignore if you can - maybe just have email communication and I would imagine you will get an appology and maybe a request to come over and maybe even him stay over... you do not have poor judgement you have not just seen demons everywhere and given him the chance to be a good if he chose to be - he is chosing not to be right now - that is his responsibility not yours. The time to have to say anything of any substence to DD is a long time away and a lot can happen so please don't worry thinking about that.
The controling rarely stops when someone leaves - they usualy warm women to be extra vigilant as it can get worse. Stay strong this is all his making, please try and keep moving forward I know it is really hard, I wish I could do more to help.
Just one thing - have you got a diary or journal? is so pleae keep a note of as much of this as you can - I wish I had done more (I had some) for reasons you will know - just in case - they have no problem rewriting history down the line if it suits them to.
Money wise - please try not to rely on his money any more - get all the help you can get elsewhere - I know it will be hard - it cripled me when DS was little but I looked at it as a short term thing and it was. Keep strong hun.
Lahti great news Smile

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 31/08/2013 20:47

rose well done for blocking him on skype.try to keep him blocked. email and text only then you can deal with it in your own time and your own Way without him seeing your tears. he is still trying to control you. by not doing what you expect he is making you talk to him.

It is hard really hard when your FW let your dc down. believe me I know having been through seeming endless parenting disappointments from my FW. you want him to see her for her sake but really if he is going to let her down then she is better out of it.

It took me ages to get there with that realisation. i could not bear the feeling that my dcs had been let down, rejected, and abandoned. how dare he? They deserve better. and i feel terrible that i made such a terrible choice of father for them.

But we manage. we enjoy ourselves. we live.
If he sees them he sees them if not life goes on. Que serra.

there are things you can do to make it better fir her.
Leave the door open for himto make the effort to see her. resist the temptation to sort it out for him. if he will nite make the effort he is not worth having as a dad.

ponygirlcurtis · 31/08/2013 21:30

Good news Lahti - so happy for you! Go girl!

Rose sweetie, your judgment isn't poor, you got hooked in, as we all did. Your judgement is spot on, because you now see him for how he is, exactly. I can understand how upsetting it must be, you are grieving for a relationship that DD wont have. But it is his choice. And she will have other relationships - and the one she has with you is so strong and that's the most important thing.
You blocking him from Skype is a step forward, not back. It's a painful step though, I wish it wasn't but it is for you, and I'm so sorry that it is. ((massoooove hugs)) Tomorrow is another day.

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ponygirlcurtis · 01/09/2013 10:30

Rose - I used to get that too, demanding to know what I'd been talking to other people about him. It took me a while to realise that I didn't actually have to tell him. Didn't even have to apologise for not telling him. Just a short 'I don't want to discuss it' should suffice. Well, to a non-FW anyway. We had two big arguments (after I'd already left) when I one day refused to tell him where I'd been while he'd had DS2 (I'd been at Ikea, ffs, but he always sneered at me going there so I wanted to be able to enjoy it without sneerage), and then when he insisted I tell him my friend's name that I'd been to see (I think he suspected it was a man. It wasn't.) and I refused, said it was none of his business. And it wasn't, but it took a long time for me to stop doing whatever he said.

Don't feel embarrassed about telling SIL. He is the one who should be embarrassed. And he is, that is why he is cutting you off, so he doesn't have to deal with that feeling. If he chooses not to see DD for such petty reasons, then she is better off without him in her life. Strength to you, Rose. You are moving forwards, and further away from him, every day. And towards your new life. Flowers

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 01/09/2013 11:05

Will read later . making most of his first contact fir 6 weeks.

Just popped in to say silly knits in profile picsGrin

TheSilverySoothsayer · 01/09/2013 11:40

rose we feel embarrassed a) that our FWs are twunts, and b) that we chose them and put up with their twuntishness. It is 'normal' . We feel shame too, but it is not our shame, it is FW's shame, or should be.

Of course you'll be getting your own emotional fallout today from his reply and all the rest of it. Bed for today is good idea, perhaps watch a DVD with DD later?

mink can't get to your profile?

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 01/09/2013 12:12

Should be visible now.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 01/09/2013 12:16

Er... no. Just get your name when hover, and doesn't click through iyswim

ponygirlcurtis · 01/09/2013 12:29

OMG mink. I think I slightly love you! The knitted ninja is just FAB!!! And the sad looking abominable snowman figure. Genius! Did you do them from a pattern or just make them up? Did you also do the pottery? You is one clever and talented ladeeee.

Rose you are the only one he can punish - he can't punish himself, you are his emotional punchbag. The only way to stop it is to move further away and stop making yourself open to it, or seem affected by it. And even if it is affecting you - fake it, pretend indifference even if your heart is breaking. Otherwise he'll keep using you as his punchbag. The heartbroken feeling only starts to diminish with time, and as you detach more. Mine is more deep sadness now. Sad Stay in bed if it makes you feel better, but I guarantee if you haul yourself to the park, however reluctantly, you'll feel even better.