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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ninilegsintheair · 28/08/2013 11:12

I'm dreading it tbh Pony. We're going camping, which is bad enough hate camping with every fibre of my being , but we're going because a few outer members of my family are coming down our way for the first time ever and I'd like to get DD some time with them. Unfortunately of the 5 of them coming, FW only likes one of them (my DGdad) so I'm nervous about how he's going to behave.

No strategies in place. It's a grin-and-bear-it situation, totally an unknown. None of my close family (who actually know what he's like) are going to be there.

I did give him an exit route and said he didn't have to come, but he says he wants to. So...

(He's got the hump with me at the moment as he's being 'nice' and I still won't put out. Boak).

Rose, I agree with Pony. I get the 'look what you're doing to me' thing too, which piles the pressure on as it seems like it's YOUR fault for them being horny. If he isn't saying these things, then the possibility of being gay isn't the real issue, what is the issue is the lack of respect towards you.

TheSilverySoothsayer · 28/08/2013 11:54

nini how long are you going for? Am not envying you the camping one little bit. Hope it is somewhere beautiful, with running water nearby you can sit and look at for five minutes when you need a restorative moment.

ninilegsintheair · 28/08/2013 12:27

Just the weekend Silvery. But we have a week away (fortunately non-camping) at the end of September. Why oh why do I agree to these things.

Don't know much about the campsite but really hope it has that running water as you say, so I can sit by drown him in it. Smile

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 28/08/2013 12:42

My cousin pointed out today I am a co-dependant. I Googled it and I'm textbook. It's exactly how I am with fw. Has anyone else experienced this and got any tips on overcoming this?
Rose, my fw used to say when he fantasised, it was always about me. This I found hard to believe as we didn't have sex very often.
I like camping but not if it was going to be strained. Good luck Nini. Hope you have some good moments with family.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/08/2013 13:04

nini - my sympathies. Assume he's going to behave the way he normally does (ie badly) and work out in advance how you plan to deal with it. That way you will at least feel a little in control of things. Don't let him upset you so much that he paints you as the bad one to your own family. let him dig his own holes with them.

Flora I've looked at co-dependent information too, and I've seen a lot of myself in it. I don't have any tips for overcoming it though, other than to get some counselling (or read some self-help books) and address the issues, looking at why you are like that, what is it from your past experiences that have shaped things this way for you?

ninilegsintheair · 28/08/2013 13:42

I am very much a co-dependant sort, Flora. Didn't know it until my counsellor who I saw last year told me about it. Suspect it's probably related to my abusive relationship with my Dad (who is very much like FW), and I carried out with the trend in my relationship. Only tip I got was that 'It's ok to say no and put yourself first'. I struggle with that sometimes but think I'm better than I was. Counselling helped me.

Really not sure how I'm going to deal with FW if he plays up. Need to think that one through, but at a loss tbh.

ponygirlcurtis · 28/08/2013 13:58

Try staying completely calm and just smiling/laughing and saying 'whatever you say, dear!' then turn to your relatives and say 'goodness me, what is he like!' ????

I always found that smiling when he expected me to get upset threw my FW off balance with whatever he was trying to do to me.

Or just practice the usual stock phrases for deflection: 'Mmmm-hmmm'. 'I hear what you are saying' and 'that doesn't work for me right now'. Have a look at some of the links for inspiration! Get tricksy with him...

TheSilverySoothsayer · 28/08/2013 15:55

nini it is hard and mind-boggling trying to second guess a FW. Focus on finding and remaining in your own resourceful state, so that you can deal with anything from a place of clarity. Practise in advance some of those useful phrases like pony suggests. Do this by saying them out loud, which makes them more available later when you find yourself needing them. You could also have an object to help you - find a nice shell or pebble or whatever when you are in a resourceful state, and keep it in your pocket.

You could draw up a FW Bingo list and post it here, then keep track of him and report back...

ninilegsintheair · 28/08/2013 16:29

Thanks both. Smile I love the idea of personalised FW-bingo Silvery, I shall do it! It'll keep me occupied Grin.

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 28/08/2013 19:43

Rose yy to the abusive relationship taking up headspace with the constant thinking about their needs.
I have been more or less kicked out of FW's house tonight when I was dropping the dc off as he was telling me about how awfully his Dsis's fiancé treats her. I pointed out that although he wasn't as bad, he had many striking similarities. He took offence obviously and said since we'd be divorced soon, it didn't matter.
He'd also taken his Dsis to one side to ask her why she was putting up with such crappy treatment. I don't know why I am surprised that he can't see the irony. He will never realise why he has lost me. Sad

Dearjackie · 28/08/2013 20:41

I also had the "look what your doing to me" also " this is the best sex I've ever had" " we were meant to be together " "I'll never leave you, I'll never hurt you" All totally empty promises. Most probably designed to manipulate to get his own way in some way

A bit of hand holding please as I feeling so alone tonight. I feel like here's nobody there in RL for me, I don't want to sound like I'm feeling sorry for myself but I suppose I am. I have text 3 friends to trey to arrange something for the weekend but nobody's replied as yet, everyone's busy with their own lives but I feel like the bottoms dropped out of my world at the moment. My sister rarely rings for a chat. I rang her tonight and she said she wasn't feeling too good so couldn't talk, although she sounded bright enough. I was so much more supportive to her when she split with her ex.

Nobody understands this. I have tried to speak to my daughter and she has just told me basically people find It hard to sympathise because this has happened several times before and it's been on and off. Which is true in a way because he has left about 4 times before in the last 2 years, but never for this long. It just feels as though I am being blamed for the abuse by everybody else because I let it happen and had him back. It was just hard to see through what was happening and yes I was stupid carrying the relationship on but now it's over. I'm honestly not going to bother trying to speak about it anymore, I rarely mention it anyway yet I'm longing for someone to understand. I can't really afford counselling

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 28/08/2013 20:44

You can get free counselling on the NHS. Not sure if you have clouds community counselling near you, but I was seen fairly quickly and had about 4-5months worth that really helped.

Dearjackie · 28/08/2013 20:47

I don't think you can get it in my area. When I was with FW I had some cbt on the nhs for anxiety and when I asked about relationship counselling she said they didn't provide it I would have to go to relate

TheSilverySoothsayer · 28/08/2013 21:00

jackie one of the hardest parts about this journey is the common situation that no-one else really understands in RL (I know there are exceptions). I felt all alone many a time with respect to this, except for people on this thread and others on a similar topic.

As an old hippy, and also inspired by fool's name and help, I played Fool on the Hill a lot. It's about someone who alone can see the truth, though others think they're a fool. It helped me trust myself to know my own truth and act from that knowledge.

Dearjackie · 28/08/2013 21:09

silvery thank you it helps to know that it's common for people in RL not to understand. I had started to feel again that it was my fault and that people don't care or like me ( another lovely legacy from FW)

It also feels as though I am being punished not only by him ( and he did punish me) but by people I know who are supposed to be on my side because they partly blame me and have no empathy iykwim

Fool on a hill. I would like to hear that presumably I'd find it on you tube?
How long have you been out of the relationship? And are you ok now?

TheSilverySoothsayer · 28/08/2013 21:55

People think it must be six of one, half a dozen of the other - but it isn't. It really isn't.

FOTH is by the Beatles, from Magical Mystery Tour, I'll let you find it :)

Dearjackie · 28/08/2013 22:03

I have just been reading back through my old threads on MN, I wrote a few! And it's clear he was a complete and utter shit to me. I feel strangely better now I have reminded myself just how horrible he was. In some of those threads I can literally feel the distress I felt when I was writing them, vile person Angry

Thanks for the song I have listened to it. Yes very thought provoking Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 28/08/2013 22:06

Rose I love your list of changes you have noticed. And it's true - it's like coming out of a fog. You don't realise how deeply you were in it, and how damaging it was, until you are out. You are doing fantastically - you are an inspiration, and a brilliant mum. I love that you are seeing that relationship blossom, because DD is also now coming out of herself without the negative presence of her dad. Great, great stuff.

Just keep the Skyping to a minimum!!!! Grin

Jackie it's hard when people seem to blame the victim. Or, at least, not be showing the empathy that you need right now. What about finding some new avenues? Are there any night classes starting up in your area or anything like that? It's sometimes easier to start from scratch with people than have to deal with the disappointment of not being supported by the ones you expected to be there for you.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 28/08/2013 22:07

Hi all.rose you sound like you and DD have turned a corner.

My FW has told me he would like to see his dcs and I can bring them to him at 9am on Sunday collect at 12. Gee thanks. Hmm
i think i might be playing bingo then instead.

nini wishing you strength for camping. i find 'oh really' is also handy phrase. Or just 'oh'. Followed by 'mm'.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 28/08/2013 22:10

Jackie, that's a positive feeling. Reading back the old posts and remembering how he made you feel. My fw came round last night and I felt mildly irritated by him. Today I have had no contact. I've had a friend round who just left. The house seems calm. No negativity. Whilst I still miss him, I feel ok ish. Try to focus on how you felt reading through your posts. X

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 28/08/2013 22:13

Rose, just read your post....well done! It certainly does sound like you are on the way to feeling indifferent. Soundalike a positive time for your DD too.
Mink, how pompous! Dictating times to you. Bingo definitely sounds like an option.

ninilegsintheair · 29/08/2013 13:22

Rose, so pleased that you and DD seem to be on the road to recovery. There's boung to be some down-times, but it sounds like your lives are already on the up. Smile Your bit about crying into DD's newborn romper suit resonated with me a lot - all you can do now is look forward into at what will be, not back into what was, you know? Thanks

Jackie, don't know if you work but is counselling something your employer can provide? I couldn't afford it either, I was lucky enough to get 6 free sessions through my work. Hope you're ok today.

FW let slip that the reason he's coming home late these days is because he's going running after work. He claims he's lost loads of weight already only in his head. He got all excited and showed me his arm non muscles. And didn't notice my sarcastic response that it's nice that HE gets time to himself. It actually made me a bit sad - he seems to think that the way to get us back to 'normal' is for him to lose weight. He's still not listening that what I need is for him to change his attitude and stop being a shitstain. He's still not listening, and probably never will. Sad

FW bingo has been drawn up in preparation for the weekend's camping (seriously, I have it printed and everything!), I will report back in a few days. Smile

Live long and prosper, all! And live long and suck it, to all FWs

foolonthehill · 29/08/2013 14:15

Hi ladies, I am so glad to see that so many of you are progressing and getting stronger (hope you like "my" song!!)

We are doing ok though with court cases and much spaghetti head making f'wittery it is sometimes hard to see the wood for the trees!

For those of you just finding your feet....it gets better, you will get stronger and other people's opinions will matter less. And don't panic when you wobble/life feels rubbish and you wonder what has happened to you....stay with it, stay detached and you will come out the other side, and so will your DC

love to all
xx fool

themidwife · 29/08/2013 14:44

Hi can I join the thread? Don't know where to start with my bloody saga!! Hoping someone here can give me some advice & support.