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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 24/08/2013 18:03

Rose it may have been an awful conversation, but as with his visit, you are seeing him more clearly, and reacting accordingly to his abuse - shutting down all contact apart from email. That's a huge positive to take. Sometimes, I have been immensely grateful for my FW continually showing me his true self, because I know how easily I could have been hoovered, if he'd been kinder/more understanding etc. So be glad that you have seen him like this today. And read --MrMink* Lundy!!!! Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 24/08/2013 18:04

Sorry, getting my emphasiseseses mixed up. Should have been:
read MrMink Lundy...

I haven't even been on the Wine yet!

betterthanever · 24/08/2013 20:50

YY to what pony says - when I see exfw in court he not only does that to me but to people have come with me - his mask is slipping in his desperation for control. I think that is why the less contact and the email suggest is a good one and they can't help but still have thier say and then it is in writting. Working tomorrow so just saying a quick hello to everyone and I hope you are all ok.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/08/2013 21:17

Well done, Rose!

I have spent far too long moping the past few days and feel I should be moving on a bit, too.

Christianity Magazine is conducting a survey with some organisation called Restored on DA and the church. Wondered if one or two of you might be interested. And maybe lurkers, too.

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Dearjackie · 24/08/2013 21:17

Hi all hope you are all well this evening. I've had a good day at work and a nice Chinese takeaway with family this evening.

colin I'm really glad to hear that you are now 4 months forward and feeling much happier, it's gives me something to hold on to. Also I know what you mean by getting the " but was it really abuse?" feeling. I am questioning that at the moment. I always give people the benefit of the doubt and logically I know that there was something very wrong I still kind of question whether I over dramatise things in my head.

Breathe sending you strength. Have a safe journey back

flora hi hope you are ok today

rose Hope you are feeling better now. The Lundy book is excellent and an eye opener

pony yes it is as though they don't like the focus to be off them for long or they become petulant

Have thought of a couple more real FW things he did. My mum was in hospital having had a heart attack and we visited then when we got home he started an argument with me over something very minor,and he walked out on me and went back to his, I think it was a couple of days before he got in touch. Total FWittery

Another time I was going through a phase of real bad anxiety and depression I thought was caused by work, actually it was probably caused by him looking back. It was that bad I was off sick for a month. I had a routine 6mthly outpatients appointment for a checkup and he was so nasty apparently because something happened to his phone and he lost all the info on it. He shouted at me so much that I was sobbing so he cuddled me. Then started it again in the car on the way to hospital. I was nearly hysterical crying and sobbing and he was so bloody cold and harsh. He ended the relationship and I snapped and yelled back. He stopped the car got out and told me to go on alone he'd find his own way back, ha in a city he didn't know miles away from home. I think he expected me to beg but I let him go and then he came running after the car. By the time we got to the hospital he was full of apologies again and couldn't do enough for me. Screwed up or what?

Dearjackie · 24/08/2013 21:21

A few more additions for the shitlist charlotte Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 24/08/2013 21:30

Meant to say earlier - Colin don't do down your achievement. You did achieve something great, and you are inspiring. It was your own personal strength that took you through to this point. You rock!!!! Grin

Charlotte - everyone needs a mope now and then. As long as you can now shake it off and get on, don't beat yourself up about it. (Put down that stick, as breathe would say!)

jackie he has been properly awful to you. Sad It's all sounding pretty classic FW. Have you got yourself a copy of 'Why Does He Do That' yet by Mink's husband Lundy Bancroft? It's an eye-opening read, and might help you come to terms with some on what's happened.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/08/2013 21:37

Definitely shaken off the mope now - DCs are back, yay! And FW has left the country, double yay! :o

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Dearjackie · 24/08/2013 21:38

pony yes I've read Lundy and identified him as mostly demand/entitled. And a bit of player thrown in. What a charmer!

Basically I think I'm starting to see pattern in that when I was at my most vulnerable or needed him most was when he'd choose to be nastiest.
He rang me at work on Boxing Day to say he was finishing the relationship and wouldn't be there when I got home. Again I was crying down the phone. Sure enough when I got home he'd gone and I spent the evening alone. Hope I'm not boring everyone it just helps writing this down

betterthanever · 24/08/2013 22:26

I hope it is a one way ticket charlotte Smile
jackie I found the longer time as gone on the more I look back at what happened and think OMG why did I just not bolt the door then - it is very shocking what you have gone through Sad it is good for you to get it all out - keep going.
I am still up I shouldn't be!

Dearjackie · 24/08/2013 22:34

Better do you think I might be over dramatising him? everybody has arguments, this is how explained it away at the time plus often I was quite shocked and its easier to bury it than think too much about it at the time

I shouldn't be up either Grin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/08/2013 22:36

That'd be nice, better!

'Nother one who shouldn't be up. Shock yawn

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/08/2013 22:37

You are not overdramatising him, Jackie, he's vile!

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FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 24/08/2013 23:58

I was proud today. Fw came round to see the dc as arranged and he starting moaning about his midlife crisis how dissatisfied he is with life. I stopped him and said "there is to be no negativity in MY house please". Amazingly he stopped and apologised. Ha!

Dearjackie · 25/08/2013 08:17

Just wanted to say WELL DONE Flora Flowers

ponygirlcurtis · 25/08/2013 08:43

Me too! Well done Flora that's another step forward, you asserting your boundaries. It's all good stuff.

betterthanever · 25/08/2013 19:09

Well done flora great answer.

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FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 25/08/2013 19:40

Rose, what's wrong? Xx

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/08/2013 20:50

Rose the key is in what you have said already.
but when I talk to him he just confuses me.

That's why you shouldn't talk to him right now, because you are vulnerable and he is taking advantage of that.

A non-Fw would allow you to tell him you are upset without it being twisted round to being your fault.

When you don't speak to him, when you are getting on with day-to-day life with DD you are enjoying life and don't feel confused. It's him confusing you. Don't speak to him again, Rose. Really, don't.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/08/2013 21:30

Your vile FW, Rose. Angry Twisting everything to attack you and caring nothing that you were so upset.

Detach detach detach. No more Skype for now if ever, I would suggest. Is this where your nice SIL could help? If you visited her once a week and FW skyped DD and her so that you could be halfway down the street with your fingers in your ears in another room?

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/08/2013 21:31

I presume the Skype calls are mostly for DD's benefit?

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LemonDrizzled · 25/08/2013 21:43

Rose round here that confusion is known as Spaghetti head mess and FWs are experts at inducing it in otherwise calm sane women. You are suffering from emotional flooding, that horrid feeling of your mind going blank and being unable to think straight. Most of us recognize it and the answer is to detach, step back and limit contact. No Skype, minimal telephone contact maybe email or texts only to arrange contact. You just need space to calm yourself. And those bushes are yours to run wild if you so choose! None of his business!!
Have a Cake I just spotted it!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 25/08/2013 21:50

Was he really implying that he'd look after the bushes if he were there?? (Not that you were concerned about them, anyway, but about his negativity about them! And his quickness to take over.) He doesn't realise that you noticed him not doing anything about them last weekend when he had a chance.

He's an idiot. Brew to go with Lemon's cake.

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