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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Funnyfishface · 21/08/2013 08:48

Thank you Better

I have just been reading back this thread. We are all married to the same fw. From loading dishwashers, taking out bins, not cleaning properly, not cooking the right meal, etc.... If it wasn't so awful and frustrating it would be funny.

My fw isn't enjoying his job ATM and when talking to the counsellor he said I hate doing what I do so she should do things she hates. And he thinks that's a normal sane statement!!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/08/2013 08:56

I hate doing what I do so she should do things she hates
wtaf!! Shock I know they say misery loves company but really where is the logic in that.

what did the counsellor say?

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/08/2013 09:15

It isn't logic. It is bitterness.

I showed a friend that email from FW and she said, god, so bitter. you cannot be happy if you are that bitter.

and that is the thing, abuse is all about getting their needs met. but they are never actually happy are they. not really. so although I think Lundy my wonderful husband is right about there is no incentive for them to give up their privileges, really if they actually thought about happiness and what it takes to be happy they might realise it is all for nowt. their bitterness poisons them.

some day boy you will reap what you've sown, you'll catch a cold and you'll be on your own
because you will see that what's wrong with me is wrong with everyone that you want to play your little games on

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BreatheandFlyAway · 21/08/2013 10:38

Morning all! Thank you for support. Fw has gone back into familiar territory- bitter sulking. More comfortable than creepy schmoozing that i dont want or ask for. He's furious because I have selfishly declined to be cuddled stroked and participate in bring lovey dovey. Despite fact I says from beginning please don't do this I do not want it. So now mr misery guts is back. The mask did t last long. Thanks fw for the demo of how genuine your (anyway unwanted) love fest was.

His dsis told me that when young he would play cards with her and she would win because older. He would have tantrum and insist on repeatedly playing even when she didn't want to, till he won. But she always won and when she very quickly wearied of playing and deliberately lost he would get almost hysterical with fury and make her play properly so he could win.

My fw quotes from opinionated radio show hosts.

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/08/2013 10:40

Sorry for sausage finger typos from phone! Mink now you've taken up with mr Lundy, Bernard is making overtures to me Wink

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/08/2013 10:49

rose I think as much as anything that is a sign your x has not done enough living of his own. he wants other people's lives instead of getting on with his own because that would actually require some effort.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/08/2013 10:49

breathe you watch him Bernard will gaslight you Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/08/2013 10:56

Mink I'm running for hills from that Bernard of yours Grin

ninilegsintheair · 21/08/2013 11:02

It is definitely bitterness funny - my FW is the same. It used to annoy him no end that he had a longer commute to work than me despite it meaning I did ALL childcare during the week. My thread in AIBU about him deliberately waking me in the mornings was what sent me to this thread last year Grin.

Breathe that sounds very familiar! The whole 'being nice to you, offering cake/tea/compliments just so I can get in your pants' thing. Boak.

Interesting what you say about your FW and games - my FW and me used to play a lot of board games (poor students!) and I was better at them than he was. Used to drive him potty. Then whenever we played the same games with friends, before we'd start he'd point to me and say to them "watch her, she's really sneaky". Used to upset me as they'd believe him and usually gang up to wipe me out of any game we played. I stopped playing eventually. Sad

Day 3 of not-talking!

PearlJam · 21/08/2013 11:38

Anyone got any links to websites which can help me work out my boundaries and more importantly, enforce them.
I haven't yet worked out how to get hold of books without him finding out - Amazon etc.
I'm wondering if working on boundary issues will help me during this waiting period?
I don't have good boundaries - due, I'm sure, to my childhood with an abusive mother. OH only recognises armoured boundaries, especially with women. Happy to trample over any body's boundaries if he can get away with it.
I have to do something to give me some kind of control in this situation or ill be crazy by the time child has op.

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Funnyfishface · 21/08/2013 15:28

Hi

Mink - the counsellor didn't respond. Although I do think she is good she sometimes sits and says nothing when I am waiting for her to pass comment.
Although what could she say? I have visions of her standing up and shouting Wtf you fucking idiot haha. That's not going to happen.

He is very childish.

We have been together 22 years. Actually our anniversary this week but I know he won't remember. He told the counsellor that he still wants to feel that rush and butterflies that he felt when we first met. She just said ' this is real life and not mills and boon' haha.

Yes yes yes the games. Cards especially. I'm a spawny bitch apparently. Scrabble he cheats and swaps his letters. Backgammon the board gets tipped up.always ends in an argument.

PearlJam · 21/08/2013 15:52

The one and only time I won at Risk my OH stalked from the room saying "I hope you're pleased with yourself " and huffed off to bed.
In fact he is such a poor loser I refused to play games with him years ago.
However, if he won he'd go all falsely magnanimous and modest, while trying to hide his glee.
FFS it's just a game!

BreatheandFlyAway · 21/08/2013 17:32

Another one for the fw bingo then- poor losers!!

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 21/08/2013 18:07

Yup. my FW would probably be a sore loser bingo too. all competitive games were banned in our house unless the rules were very clear and simple or unless i knew beforehand was absolutely going to lose.

Things like darts i knew i would lose and i was quite hAppy to lose to most people but he was such a dick about winning i would not play him.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/08/2013 20:30

Congratulations on the new job, Jackie!

I hate doing what I do so she should do things she hates :o I get that too. Crazy, isn't it?!

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Dearjackie · 21/08/2013 20:36

Thank you charlotte hope you are ok this evening Smile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/08/2013 21:36

Not bad, thanks. Said goodbye to dcs this afternoon for contact with FW again for a few days and am a little low because of that, but coping.

Going to make the most of it by getting a good night's sleep now!

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ponygirlcurtis · 21/08/2013 21:51

Charlotte a good night's sleep is not to be sniffed at!

When we were on honeymoon and playing cards, there were arguments about the games. Mainly to do with me not being able to remember the rules to some games, and him refusing to believe me and shouting at me as a result. Fun fun fun!!!!

Dearjackie · 21/08/2013 21:51

Aw sorry your feeling a bit low tonight. Do you have any plans for when the DC are away to keep yourself busy?
Good idea to have an early night and catch up on sleep

I've just had another cry ( annoyed at myself) I remembered his text from a couple of days after he left which said he was sorry it ended in that way. Well why did he have to be so bloody horrible then. If he didnt wanted it to end he need not have ended it!!

ponygirlcurtis · 21/08/2013 22:27

jackie something that has helped me is to remember that words mean nothing. Anyone can say 'I am an astronaut' and not be or say 'I am sorry' and not be. Actions. Actions are what will help you see what is what. I suspect that he doesn't mean he's sorry it ended in that way. Or else he would have done something about it. He's just sorry it ended for him. ie that you are not around to meet all his needs any more

Without him, you've already achieved a new job. What would he have said about your new job? Would he have been supportive, full of praise, celebrating with you?

Dearjackie · 21/08/2013 22:48

If I'm honest pony yes he probably would have said well done ect regarding my new job as he did when I got the job I'm in now. Though I suspect he would have an ulterior motive for being pleased in that he wouldn't have to listen to my annoyances about my current job. That was another thing he had to "put up with on a daily basis" from me apparently.

I see what you mean about actions and to be honest his actions contradict his words. I'm just having a wobbly moment tonight. I've been feeling so much better these last couple of days. But tonight I've just been thinking he must have had someone else to suddenly end it like that. One minute that bothers me, the next it doesn't

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