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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 13:42

Can you call someone, even somewhere like Women's Aid, for a chat with someone? Or your college's guidance team? Or even Samaritans? Just to talk to someone right now?

ninilegsintheair · 20/08/2013 14:11

Hope you're rung someone Rose lovely or are at least feeling a bit better now. I've had panic attacks before and they're very scary. Please post so we know you're ok Sad Thanks

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 16:30

Hope you are ok Rose. Sad Thinking of you hun.

Dearjackie · 20/08/2013 17:41

Hello all you lovely people
Just wanted to share my upbeat mood with you today. I went for my interview and have been offered the job Grin. So happy, it's the lift I needed. So will hand in my notice and start I about a month or so. When one door closes another opens! Love to everyone Wine

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 18:12

That's fantastic news jackie!!! Brilliant new start for you. Wine all round!

Dearjackie · 20/08/2013 18:24

Thank you ponygirl it's such a relief to get the interview over with and now I have a job in the town I work in, so no travelling

Dearjackie · 20/08/2013 18:25

Town I live in I meant Grin

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ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 19:53

That's great to hear Rose, really well done, I know it wont have been quite as easy as you are making it sound there! You have done a good thing for yourself by forcing yourself to go out today - not only have you achieved some things on your tick list with the admin stuff, not only have you gotten out the house when it was hard for you, but you have also now got that to worry about (only built up even more) tomorrow, hopefully. Maybe you could print off mink's advice about the breathing so you have it to hand in case it comes over you like that again.

Hope you are celebrating jackie!

Dearjackie · 20/08/2013 20:13

I must say I am feeling very pleased with myself tonight. Will be celebrating tomorrow evening though as got Thursday off Smile

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 20:21

And well you should be!!! Getting offered a new job is a great achievement, even more because you've succeeded at a time when you have had so much going on. Good plan on waiting till you can have a lie-in to celebrate! Wink

Dearjackie · 20/08/2013 20:26

Well it's thanks to all you on here that have helped and encouraged me to look forwards not backwards. It's made me determined not to allow FW to get me down too much

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/08/2013 21:15

Rose I'm so glad you're feeling better from your panic attack. They're awful, I've been there big time and entirely sympathise. I loved Mink's tips. Hope you're feeling a bit better, honey.

Jackie wayhay on the job! Congratulations!

Nini hello Smile

betterthanever · 20/08/2013 21:27

Rose well done on today - overcoming such a massive panic attack and dealing with it head on is a mighty big thing to do !!!! well done you!!!!
When I first started CBT they warned me when you do deal with something as big as you are doing it does get worse before it gets better so it sounds like you are starting to make good progress - I didn't believe it at the time, I was like - but I feel terrible - he was right.

Great news Jackie - well done you too.

Gutted mrsminkbernardlundy he was the only man I could have married Grin pleaes keep this name Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/08/2013 21:48

Fw here back to normal service- angry blaming and abusive language Sad.

betterthanever · 20/08/2013 21:57

Sorry to hear that breathe maybe keep a journal of what he says/does. The death by 1000 cuts is then easier to read - not that you will die - his days are numbered not yours. If you calmy say you are not willing to listen to this abusive language would it escalate?

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 22:10

breathe Sad you ok?

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/08/2013 22:11

Hi Better, yes I will start noting it down. ATM it's more grumpy sulking because I haven't fitted into his plan to Hoover me over holidays. A kind of hissy sulk. But he's very nasty even when being pathetic and unscary IYSWIM.

Inthequietcoach · 20/08/2013 22:27

breathe, yes, I know what you mean, FW did angry sulks. Strength to you. How much longer till you get home?

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betterthanever · 20/08/2013 23:05

breathe fool gave me really good advice about how it makes you feel rather than specifics about what they do which is all abusiveness. Sulking is abusive, no reasonable negotiating skills as mink once said - when the manipulating isn't working... then comes the sulks or other stuff all adding up to the same thing, more abuse. You are doing so well coping with it all.
make how can he expect to expereince your wonderful love when he shows no concern for you - because he feels entitlement. Good for you - keep strong.

Funnyfishface · 21/08/2013 00:19

Hi ladies. Just checking in with you all.

I am reading and keeping up to date.

Rose - sorry you are having anxiety and panic attacks. I am another presently on medication for them. Its awful I know. At my worst I also can't leave the house. Keep breathing.

Hi pony, breathe, bounty, Colin, Charlotte, nini and all newbies.

It's now 10 weeks since separation from h. We are having couples counselling every week. Actually she is very good. On the third meeting she told h that his behaviour is controlling, abusive and manipulating.

He is still controlling even though he has moved out.

When I see him I am torn between been irritated by his behaviour and feeling sorry for him. In the counselling sessions he is playing the victim and martyr and I have corrected him constantly. I am saying there isn't any point coming to the sessions if you aren't going to be honest.
Sometimes I surprise myself as to my strength. Actually I feel in control.

Hope you are all ok

Funnyfishface · 21/08/2013 00:20

Hi to you Betterthanever too. Sorry I missed you

betterthanever · 21/08/2013 00:31

Hi funny well done in the sessions and your counsellor sounds perfecto!!! proud of your strength - long may it come to you - you are the innocent in it all and deserve all the strength.