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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 19/08/2013 21:43

He really is an entitled eejit who thinks other people owe him something (while feeling that he doesn't owe anything to anyone, not even his own daughter).

Upwards and onwards, Rose, upwards and onwards.

BloomingRose · 19/08/2013 22:24

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minkembernard · 19/08/2013 22:53

People are the issue, and always have been. I hate people.
remind you of anyone?

she is just a f'ing housewife who has spent her whole life popping out kids Shock
that could be my FW. that is still two better than him as she has manged to have kids and keep a house. he has done neither.

minkembernard · 19/08/2013 23:46

Went to book online at a restaurant which has a membership deal.
(got a dateGrin)
Anyway they send you out offers for your birthdays, your anniversary and dp birthday.
I took FW off mine a while back. i snorted today when i logged in and saw i had changed my partners name to.....

Lundy!!! Grin. forgot i had done that.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/08/2013 00:04

Rose Sad and sympathetic re panic attacks, I get them too. I manage flare ups with occasional Valium to tide me over and get things moving. Is this something that might help you lovey? While you're at doc could you also explain situation and ask about support groups locally? Can be life line as I and others I know have discovered. Xxx

Mink- date yay! Mr Lundy Grin that could be our code like Masonic handshake. Mrs Lundy I presume?!

betterthanever · 20/08/2013 07:26

rose I get panic attacks too, I am getting some treatment for them and thinking of going to the docs again as they have been bad recently. Try and get out if you can, the doc is always saying to me not to avoid things if at all possible. Let us know how you get on.

Mink have you pinched my boyfriend Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 09:03

Good luck today Rose - you can do it. Think of how amazing you will feel after you've done it.

Mrs Mink Bernard Lundy - has a certain ring to it, don't you think? Grin

PearlJam · 20/08/2013 09:10

I 've changed my nn from RearviewMirror as it was too long.
I feel a bit of a user as I have just posted in here looking for support but am unable to offer any to the other posters. It's all I can do to keep going at the moment.
My child's op is within the next month. We've been told this week that if they survive the first week they should be ok. IF.
They may have permanent health problems but they should be able to function and not in constant serious pain.
This is not a tiny child, but still my child.
My therapist thinks I should not make any "life-changing" decisions until a month or so after the op. In other words LTB. I have realised she prob thinks I should try not to think about it but I'm finding that impossible. I was just reading the Controlling Spouse thread and found it really disturbing, recognising all the crap and mind games and personality crushing stuff these bastards do. All the drama they create that is somehow your fault.
I know I'm married to a narc, I should think he is about 80% of the way along the continuum. He has been abusive in every way possible yet I have nightmares about him leaving.
Currently there is no violence, not for some years, although I think that is because I k ow my place now.
There is still a use, it's just different now. An affair and all the lying and gaslighting that goes with that. Telling me he's going to leave/stay for months now. I think he's created a fragile, damaged marriage, for some reason.
I'm so exhausted. One of the links at the top of this thread talked about how we feel when our boundaries aren't good.

"How do we know when our boundary door is malfunctioning?
It?s simple. We feel broken, lonely, angry, distressed, victimized, anxious, unsupported, exhausted and empty."

That's how I feel. It's terrible.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 09:20

It does indeedGrin

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 09:28

Hi again pearl I have just posted in here looking for support but am unable to offer any to the other posters
the thread is here to support you. I would hate it if someone in as hard a situation as you are in did not feel they could come here. post away and we will do our best to try to help keep you going until you arrive at a better place. no need to offer support or even read the rest of the thread. really. Thanks

My heart really goes out to you. This must be an unimaginably hard time for you and at times like these the inadequacies in an abusive partner must stand out even more clearly. Sad
There is time though. Time to get your child and yourself through this difficult time and then time to leave. And when you are ready to go we will be here to support you. In the meantime keep planning as much as you can and hold that hope in your heart for your future.

Leaving is a long journey that begins when you realise what you are going through is not right. You are already on that journey even if it seems like you are not going anywhere right now.

Please let us be there for you as much as we can.

PearlJam · 20/08/2013 09:31

Thank you so so much Mrs Lundy.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 09:53

[Mrs Lundy] GrinGrinGrin

PearlJam - wot Mrs Lundy said - the thread is here for your support. Don't be worrying about not reading it through (we are a chatty lot of Vixens so it gets filled up quick), and don't worry about not supporting others at the moment. You are supporting others in ways you don't realise, just by sharing your story and posting and getting support, which then in turn encourages other women in need to do the same.

We will all be thinking of you and your DC, and will be here to support you in whatever way you need, even if it's just handholding to get you through what will be an awful time.

In the meantime, knowledge is power, and you can't un-know what you know about your relationship. Focus on yourself and your DC, and everything else can get looked at and sorted in time. Boundary doors don't get mended overnight (mine are still flapping like a barn door in the wind), so whatever you can do to keep yourself sane for now and just get you through. You might find it useful to find small ways to assert yourself and push back against his abuse - small ways that are safe for you to do, like having an emergency bag stowed safely, telling a friend about the situation and your plan to leave in time. Posting on here is a thing in itself, because it's part of the process of coming to terms with the need to leave, and then actually doing it, neither of which is a mean feat in 'normal' circumstances, ie without all the worry about your DC's op.

Sending you my thoughts and my support. Flowers

PearlJam · 20/08/2013 10:01

ponygirl, again thinks. I feel so alone in this terrible situation. Even posting takes courage.

PearlJam · 20/08/2013 10:08

Or thanks.
Think I've done a lot of thinking

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 10:16

(((hugs))) PearlJam.

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 11:27

Was what I was asking for, too difficult?
No. And one day you may well find someone who can give you thisSmile and who even finds it easy.
but you cannot change a FW. Sad

How does someone recover from this?
you start by looking at where you are now and what this has done to you. And then you look at all the amazing things you have achieved despite him. and put down the stick and be kind to yourself. you are amazing. you have managed to get this far with someone dragging you backwards, just think what you will be able to achieve in future .

and then you give it a lot of time. the pain is part of the healing. Flowers if only it were possible to wave a wand and sleep through this bit but it isn't. just be aware when you are going through it, it is a process of going through, you are not standing still. every day, step by step, little by little you are on a journey to somewhere better. This is hardest part.

I am thinking about that email FW sent me last night. I have woken up this morning and a) laughed because he actually thinks I am so stupid that I might believe and b) thought do you know what, I don't even care FW. I don't even care.

Anything he now says about me, only makes me see him more clearly for the tragic, bitter, disappointment he is (he is bitter) but it has not effect on the person I see when I look in the mirror.

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MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 13:23

rose try not to let it take you over. it will pass.
here are some things i do to help me cope.

  1. remember when youa re having a panic attack what is actually happening is that you are actually breathing too much. this reduces the CO2 levels in your blood. your brain uses those levels to determine your oxygen levels adn concludes you are not breathing enough (talk about faulty wiring) if you can, totally counter intuitive but hold your breath for ten seconds let your CO2 levels come back up.

if the worst comes to the worst your body will take over and sort it out for you.
but you will not die. you will be fine. hold on to that.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 13:27

now next, anchor yourself in the here and now.
start at 5 think of something you can see.
either in reality in your mind if i am somewhere very boring, I imagine I am seeing and hearing things on the beach.
so 5- i see the corner of the room, the wallpaper is peeling a little bit in the corner.
4- I see the treess outside swaying a little in teh wind, they are still very green.
3- etc.
count down to 0.
then 5 things you hear:
5 I hear the sound of the server room
....
all the way to 1
then 5 things you feel
5-I feel my bottom sitting on my seat (sorry these are the first thjigns that are occurring to me which is the way you shoudl do this.

then keep repeating 5 things you see, 5 things you hear, 5 things you feel

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 13:30

you have been through an awful lot. go easy on yourself.
this too shall pass.Brew
when you feel up to it go and see your doctor.
I find valium and antidepresseants have helped me with my anxiety. and chamomile tea, or roman chamomile tea if you can get it from a herbalist. but the biggest help has been lots of exercise.

and very weirdly in my case FW helped because he toughened me up to the point where I could cope with most things and postnatal i just stopped having them. for which I am thankful.
I have only had one since they were born which was the day dc1 went missing for 25 minutes!!

now, when you feel better do something that makes you laugh. there is a brillianht thread in classics on gaffs you have made. try that.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 13:30

Rose - are you ok? Hope your panic attack has subsided.

ponygirlcurtis · 20/08/2013 13:31

Oops, sorry, x-posted with mink. Fab advice there.

MrsMinkBernardLundy · 20/08/2013 13:33

oh and rose when you feel a bit better, check in so we know you are ok honey (((hugs)))

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