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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships : thread 25

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 11/08/2013 23:36

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you?re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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Dearjackie · 17/08/2013 12:31

He told me when I was in agony with the first outbreak that he had never had any symptoms at all, which I know is possible even if you do carry it. I had not slept with anyone only him for a year and a half at that point. I just think that if he KNEW he hadn't been with anyone since me then surely he might have been a bit suspicious of ME. From time to time I used to bring it up and say where did I get it ect? And he would say basically to stop dragging it up all the time because we'd never know.

The practice nurse saw me at my worst and it was her and the GP who said it looked very much like herpes but they didn't have facilities to swab and I would have to go to GUM clinic. By the time I went most of blisters had gone but they said it was highly likely from the description. He wasn't tested because they said unless he had symptoms they couldn't.

So even though he knew I had it he didn't seem bothered at all about getting it himself! God I have been soooo STUPID

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FairyFi · 17/08/2013 14:03

Bounty

ponygirlcurtis · 17/08/2013 14:22

Rose even just that paragraph from his letter - where are you in it? It's 'I, I, I'. The only mention DD gets is in terms of him buying her things - not spending time with her, or missing her, or loving her. Just re money. He is spectacularly selfish, and will never be able to not be selfish, so any life lived with him will be around him and what he wants. My goodness, you've done well to last as long as you did with him! You will make a fantastic midwife, you obviously have huge reserves of caring empathy in you - time to focus them on yourself and DD, and on making your fantastic new career a success.

jackie - keep these thoughts in your head (not about you being stupid, because you are not, or else we all are on here!) but use this anger to fuel yourself past any feelings of wanting him back. Do something nice for yourself today, take yourself out somewhere, phone a friend, go for a walk. And feel free of him.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 14:26

Rose, he sounds like he thinks he deserves what he missed out on in his youth. Men, in mid life crisis mode, dreaming of something they think they deserve. When in actual fact they took a different path in life and had family life. Now the selfish part comes out. Hope you are ok. Hugs ccc
Jackie, i have a similar tale. About 3 years ago after the two of us had a 'dirty' weekend away I discovered i had herpes simplex 1 (the facial cold sore type) but on my genitals. Doc at GUM clinic said my FW could have the cold sore virus and passed on during oral sex. So you can get it without your other half cheating. I would get it swabbed the next time you have a flare up. Ive not had any since. Just the once.
My FW is predictable. Now apologising and saying perhaps we just need a bit space right now. Talking about good times, etc. Probably due to the fact Ive backed off and had a fab night out with my girlfriends.

bountyicecream · 17/08/2013 14:32

rose one of my fw's biggest things is that he wants to be a 'somebody'. I asked him whether being a good father and husband ( ha ha. Before I'd figured he was ea!) was enough and he said no. It's one of the reasons he finds working so hard. Apparently. He thinks he should be the next richard Branson or something and feels life is so unfair he isn't.

Or he'd like to be a rock star or concert pianist. Did any of you see a c4 programme recently about an amazing pianist who had beenes sectioned and had mh issues who went to a psychiatric ward to play classical pieces to patients. It was good. He was an amazing pianist but had clearly been very troubled and had a 4 yr old son with whom he had no contact. I asked fw whether he'd swap his grade 8 piano to be that man with all the mental health issues, being sectioned, no contact with his son etc, but also the musical brilliance. Fw said yes it was a no brainer to him. It really saddened me.

Not sure why I've typed that except maybe to say to rosé that this self absorbed behaviour and the desire to be someone important seems to be quite a fw trait

bountyicecream · 17/08/2013 14:33

Rose not rosé ha ha

Begginyouformercy · 17/08/2013 15:34

the desire to be someone important seems to be quite a fw trait

Another added to the list.

betterthanever · 17/08/2013 15:39

Over the last six months I have had flash back after flash back of things that happend as you all talk about your experiences. The critisism of the house is a classic trate, if you saw the difference between mine and his you really would wonder how he had the darn nerve to say anything about mine, which isn't a show home but he would go on and on about the fact I should do this or that - rose he is at your house now - if he would like the bushes cut back, why isn't he out there doing it? I have to say I did chuckle at the fact he wants to drive round the US but can't drive - sums it all up really. The thing for me with all this is, he is still managing to turn your attention on him - which is understandble but I would try and ignore most and concentrate on you and DD - you are shattered already, he is taking every last bit of strength you have as he attempts to get you back - he is shocking.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 15:47

Yes, the house thing. My house has never stayed tidier since he left.
My few also thought he has never amounted to anything. He feels a loser.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 15:48

FW not 'few'

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Lilypad21 · 17/08/2013 16:48

Hi I was on the last thread and he is my but am still having problems with him.
I hadn't seen him in ages. I was admitted to hospital a week ago and when I came out I saw him outside when I was waiting for my cab home.
He walked over and said 'I heard you were in here, being stupid again are you?' I didn't say anything and walked away but he followed me and kept on talking.
I don't think I can type the rest but it was horrible and I feel like I've regressed (regardless of being in hospital I feel I was doing well) and I now feel so low.
I don't really know what I'm asking. I think I just needed to tell someone.
X

Lilypad21 · 17/08/2013 16:49

Sorry that should have said 'my ex'

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 17:26

Aw Lilypad. As the girls advised me a couple of days ago....ignore, ignore, ignore. Sending you strenhth.
Rose, my fw has only one friend too. he lives a 2 hour drive away. My friends said they always thought my fw was jealous of my friendships.

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 17:28

Also Lily, can you get an injunction against him? You dont eed him harrassing you. Focus on yourself and bulding your cofidence x x

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betterthanever · 17/08/2013 17:54

rose can he not go earlier? I think it may be better if he did. I don't think he is getting out of what he came over for.
lily I think the advice about an injuntion is a good one - you are doing well, don't let him drag you back.

Dearjackie · 17/08/2013 18:10

flora how could they tell if it was h simplex 1 or h simplex2 ?
Was it by swab? I read somewhere that if its h simplex2 the initial outbreak is more severe, but am not sure

I am missing him madly I feel like he's just dropped off the face of the earth after being in contact every single day. I need to keep reminding myself of the FW things he's done

rose I'm sorry to hear about your FW negative presence in your house. The moods and general low atmosphere sounds so familiar. It's like they literally suck the happiness out of you. Wishing you strength Flowers

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FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 19:06

Rose, its good his presence has confirmed you made the right decision. He can keep "his moods" to "his house" from now on.
Jackie, i went to the GUM clinic. They tested me for everything! I had swabs taken. Even though my DP didnt have visible cold sores, he carried the virus. He passed on through oral sex. I had never had it before.

betterthanever · 17/08/2013 19:27

You agreed rose because you are kind and did what was best for DD too you are not stupid. Today would have been much more fun if it had not been dominated by him talking about himself. These FW's create thier own misery and blame everyone else for it. Did he actually suggest you provided entertainment that you paid for?

FloraSpreadableMacDonald · 17/08/2013 19:38

my fw sent me an email and i can only presume hehas been reading my email or FB account. any techies know if he can hack into FB even though ive changed my password?