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Is this worth pursuing?

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maryclarey · 29/07/2013 00:18

I'm sorry - this is long. I'll try to be succinct. I just need some perspective.

A few months ago I started seeing someone having just ended a long term relationship. We both agreed it was casual at the beginning, meeting just for sex. I would go to his place (I was staying on a friends sofa bed at the time) and go home that night. He didn't want a relationship and neither did I. That was fine, for a while. I started to have some feelings but I kept them in check as I didn't want to get too close.

Things started to change a little, in that I started staying overnight at his invitation and we would spend time talking about our lives rather than just having sex.

Around the time I moved into my own place I decided to take a risk and ask him on a real date. He said he was comfortable with that but jokingly said he might freak out if I asked him to move in or something. I said he didn't need to worry about that at this point (for goodness sake!). We were both nervous on the date but it was lovely.

A few dates and weeks later he turned up at my place late one night telling me how much he liked being with me and how he hadn't slept with anyone else since we met. I didn't really respond much because he was a bit drunk at the time and I was a bit caught off guard and didn't know how to take it. However we kept seeing each other, having a really good time and started alternating staying at his place and mine, going on proper dates and not always having sex, just being quietly comfortable in each others company. We didn't talk about that night again.

I've met his brother who he lives with, and he's met my best friends who I live with. We have socialised with both. We haven't met any other of our groups of friends. He has told his work mates about me and I have told mine about him (our companies are linked). He's agreed to come to a work function with me, no hesitation.

We now spend practically every weekend together, it's grown to three nights a week if we are both in town. He takes me to nice places and seems proud to be seen with me. I feel the same way.

I started to feel I needed to know if we were heading somewhere. Unfortunately I decided to raise this at 4am when we had both been out drinking. I thought I asked him if he saw me as a potential girlfriend when or if that time came, he thought I was asking if he saw me as his girlfriend right now. He said no. He said he is enjoying what we have and how we are getting to know each other now and he wants to see where things go. He got quite upset, talking about how when he moves in with someone it'll be the person he wants to marry. I asked who had even mentioned moving in? He really jumped the gun but as I say, we had been drinking. Next morning we talked a little more. I cleared up the misunderstanding about my question the night before but made it clear I don't want to get hurt again, waiting around for something that might never happen (as in my last relationship). He said he understood but he wants to take things slow, by which I took to mean he felt I was rushing him. He had to leave for work then, he was concerned I was still a bit upset, gave me a hug, kissed me several times and left.

We are affectionate in public and he holds my hand and is a gentleman in general. He has passed the waitress test with flying colours and is generous and kind to all. He has a great relationship with his family. However, he has told me how he has ended relationships in the past because he realised when they started talking about moving in together that he didn't want to marry them, so he called them off. He did live with one partner and from what I gather it ended badly, which may be where his fear of commitment stems from, I don't know.

So my question is, dear mumsnetters, am I wasting my time or should I give him some time to see if it goes anywhere? I don't want to be a mug but I don't want to let something potentially good slip through my fingers.

Apologies for the epic length of this post!

TIA

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scrazy · 30/07/2013 15:06

But Miss Peep, there are many men who when you really pin them down will admit that they like a woman to make them work/wait for it. Of course, they won't admit it to a woman who is willing, why would they.

I know, lots of relationships start off sexual but that could be down to timing or when it's happened to me it's because the guy has already gone through the really wanting stage, e.g been a friend first who has been secretly lusting, so a 'relationship' has already been established.

Scarlett2i4 · 30/07/2013 15:11

But I don't believe what your dad did. I'm all for everyone having lots of safe sex and being happy in a lovely free and easy way about it and not getting hurt.
It was just that I interpreted it that the OP had a dilemma and was beginning to suffer. Is he really as nice and genuine as he seems? Or is he cynically only using her in the nicest possible way? How can she tell? So it's a case of: she certainly wants him, but how much does he really want her? Getting hurt emotionally is horrible. Stopping sexual favours for a little while might help her to find out the truth, I thought.

Crinkle77 · 30/07/2013 15:29

Sorry but if he isn't sure now I don't think he ever will be

Missbopeep · 30/07/2013 16:07

But the point is Scarlett that it's harder to shut the stable door after the horse has bolted. I don't think you are engaging with the reality of the relationship. If she withholds sex now, then it's pretty obvious why she's doing it. And if it's not then the guy would ask why. Her answer presumably would be 'to see if you want me more than just for sex'. This flies in the face of all the good advice here which is to keep him guessing a bit about how emotionally involved she's become, and not come over as needy, insecure and desperate for commitment.

As a woman, and maybe this is where we differ, I'd like to think that if a man was having sex with me, seeing me 3 x a week or more, and appeared to like me, it was more than just for the sex. As I said before, he could get that anywhere - plenty women are very happy to be a FWB or a 1 night stand. You seem to be saying that men hang around with women just for sex, and get away with no commitment simply because the women allow this. You don't seem to consider the fact that the man might really like her, but just not be ready to commit to her or anyone (yet.) Why stop the sex to find out? Is her lovely personality not as appealing- or do you see women just as sex objects?

Scarlett2i4 · 30/07/2013 16:37

Thanks for explaining. I understand better what you mean now.
Funnily enough I once had a girlfriend who gave me sex from the very first date! Very unusual for me to get that! It never even occurred to me that her doing that cheapened her in any way. Of course it didn't, not in the slightest, and I loved it.
I really came to like her a lot and eventually hoped we'd get married, but she had a horrible and terribly upsetting habit of occasionally saying, almost coldly and unexpectedly, "If we finish...", and sometimes saying that if only I had some savings or property, like her, things would be different.
But I kept hoping and we continued to have regular sex. She even came and chose the wallpaper, etc. for when she'd move in with me, and which I decorated the walls with. But then I was introduced to her mother... That was the end of it! Her mother couldn't have liked me.
She ordered me to bring stuff of hers, ornaments, etc. which she'd asked me to take in anticipation of living with me, back to her flat immediately as she had decided to finish with me! . She did it quickly and clinically. Ruthlessly, in fact. I was devastated and terribly hurt at the time
But then, later, after total silence for a while, she actually phoned me again one night and asked for my advice about her new boyfriend! He had said something she didn't like and it had hurt her feelings, and wondered what I thought! She was wanting a sympathetic ear, I think. You're right, Missbopeep, I don't really understand women! I just try to.

Missbopeep · 30/07/2013 16:55

Ouch!
You didn't lose much- a woman who didn't know her own mind, who was so easily influenced by her mother, and who thought that you ought to be richer and a man of property.

We've already got a Jane Eyre type scenario in one busy thread here today, so I'm trying to think what your ex reminds me of....

Maybe now you've got the hang of us strange creatures you'll be brave enough to start your own thread about whatever is bothering you? :)

Scarlett2i4 · 30/07/2013 17:04

Ok, but I know I'll likely be condemned by some and probably not believed - not trying to avert it by saying that though. But I'll do it anyway.... maybe after a cup of coffee!

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 17:06

For god's sake, spit it out Scarlett

Missbopeep · 30/07/2013 17:13

You know how to keep us interested...Grin

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 17:23

I am losing the will to live here

Missbopeep · 30/07/2013 17:26

It had better be worth the wait. C'mon Scarlett, stop being a tease and finish that coffee.

Scarlett2i4 · 30/07/2013 17:51

Please believe me that I'd written a lot when the screen suddenly reverted to the desktop! I couldn't get the mumsnet page I'd been at back again. I lost the whole message. I hope that doesn't happen again. Have to save long, but unfinished things on Notepad or something.
Not trying to tease at all but I've got less time now as this is best written when my wife is out. I'll start again.

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 18:02

I am going to be nice. I am going to be nice. I am going to be nice. I am going to be nice.

Smile
Missbopeep · 30/07/2013 18:04

If it's long, try writing it in Word then copy and paste ( and you can save it at the same time.)

We will all be very nice .

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 18:06

Get your wife to type it for you. Ahem.

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 18:07

< ties pink bow in hair >

Parmarella · 30/07/2013 18:20

This s going to sound really stupid, but from what I understand from men is that they like, love, the pursuit.

That if you mtach his "taking things slow" with a "yes, that was what I was thinking" and occassionally not being available, as you have other things to do and interesting people to meet.

Some might call this game playing though.

But for someone a bit (too) proud, like me, it would be my natural way of behaviour. Even within a relationship.

If you are already very committed and always available, what is there or him to fight for. I am not saying this is hw things should be, but how I think things often are.

Sort of playing it cool.

Can see how this post might make MNers cringe though!

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 18:21

< cringe >

That sounds a bit "Men are from Mars..." to me

Parmarella · 30/07/2013 18:32

That is such a dumb book!

Disgusted with self

Dahlen · 30/07/2013 18:35

The trouble is with the "What is there for him to fight for" attitude is that the logical extension of that is one where you have to keep it up for the rest of your relationship. Otherwise, as soon as you commit, he loses interest - whether that's now or 12 years down the line.

Frankly that sounds exhausting and I'd rather be on my own than have to work that hard to keep someone interested.

OTOH if you mean not being needy, that's always an attractive quality in my book. Needy people do my head in.

What's wrong with being able to lead your own life but also making it clear you'd love to see someone if they're free? If you have to hide your emotions and vulnerability that much, it doesn't really bode well for your ability to communicate when the pressure is really on, like after a baby or a job loss or death of a parent, etc.

Parmarella · 30/07/2013 18:38

I do mean not being needy, though occassional neediness in a long term relationship is a nice inulgence

AnyFucker · 30/07/2013 18:41

So you should be Parma

I think you should say 10 Hail Mary's to atone for that. Wink

Or 10 "Germaine Greer had a point's"

maryclarey · 30/07/2013 18:52

I am still reading with interest. So many different points of view to consider.

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cerealqueen · 30/07/2013 18:52

I would step back too. I had this with my now DP, it was me making arrangements, etc so got fed up I emailed saying lets leave this on the back burner, we are both busy etc etc. That got him moving and now a mortgage and two kids later....

Anyway, make it clear that if you are not his girlfriend, he is not your boyfriend and maybe you are up for seeing other people.....

maryclarey · 30/07/2013 18:53

And Scarlett I want to hear your story too...

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