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Is this worth pursuing?

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maryclarey · 29/07/2013 00:18

I'm sorry - this is long. I'll try to be succinct. I just need some perspective.

A few months ago I started seeing someone having just ended a long term relationship. We both agreed it was casual at the beginning, meeting just for sex. I would go to his place (I was staying on a friends sofa bed at the time) and go home that night. He didn't want a relationship and neither did I. That was fine, for a while. I started to have some feelings but I kept them in check as I didn't want to get too close.

Things started to change a little, in that I started staying overnight at his invitation and we would spend time talking about our lives rather than just having sex.

Around the time I moved into my own place I decided to take a risk and ask him on a real date. He said he was comfortable with that but jokingly said he might freak out if I asked him to move in or something. I said he didn't need to worry about that at this point (for goodness sake!). We were both nervous on the date but it was lovely.

A few dates and weeks later he turned up at my place late one night telling me how much he liked being with me and how he hadn't slept with anyone else since we met. I didn't really respond much because he was a bit drunk at the time and I was a bit caught off guard and didn't know how to take it. However we kept seeing each other, having a really good time and started alternating staying at his place and mine, going on proper dates and not always having sex, just being quietly comfortable in each others company. We didn't talk about that night again.

I've met his brother who he lives with, and he's met my best friends who I live with. We have socialised with both. We haven't met any other of our groups of friends. He has told his work mates about me and I have told mine about him (our companies are linked). He's agreed to come to a work function with me, no hesitation.

We now spend practically every weekend together, it's grown to three nights a week if we are both in town. He takes me to nice places and seems proud to be seen with me. I feel the same way.

I started to feel I needed to know if we were heading somewhere. Unfortunately I decided to raise this at 4am when we had both been out drinking. I thought I asked him if he saw me as a potential girlfriend when or if that time came, he thought I was asking if he saw me as his girlfriend right now. He said no. He said he is enjoying what we have and how we are getting to know each other now and he wants to see where things go. He got quite upset, talking about how when he moves in with someone it'll be the person he wants to marry. I asked who had even mentioned moving in? He really jumped the gun but as I say, we had been drinking. Next morning we talked a little more. I cleared up the misunderstanding about my question the night before but made it clear I don't want to get hurt again, waiting around for something that might never happen (as in my last relationship). He said he understood but he wants to take things slow, by which I took to mean he felt I was rushing him. He had to leave for work then, he was concerned I was still a bit upset, gave me a hug, kissed me several times and left.

We are affectionate in public and he holds my hand and is a gentleman in general. He has passed the waitress test with flying colours and is generous and kind to all. He has a great relationship with his family. However, he has told me how he has ended relationships in the past because he realised when they started talking about moving in together that he didn't want to marry them, so he called them off. He did live with one partner and from what I gather it ended badly, which may be where his fear of commitment stems from, I don't know.

So my question is, dear mumsnetters, am I wasting my time or should I give him some time to see if it goes anywhere? I don't want to be a mug but I don't want to let something potentially good slip through my fingers.

Apologies for the epic length of this post!

TIA

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bestsonever · 29/07/2013 15:31

Perhaps could try turning it around to find out where you stand. Something like "as I'm not your girlfriend, I assume that means I don't need to be exclusive to you" see how he reacts to that. If it would not bother him who else you dated then you are not his GF and you know where you stand, but if he insists on exclusivity then you are already his GF.
Thing is he may not have slept with anyone else so far, but that does not mean he won't do in future if he sees himself as single still.

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:31

6 years Twirly

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recall · 29/07/2013 15:32

even when making new friends, I tend to back off a bit if they become clingy and too much too soon, it is unattractive, and spoils things. The thing that initially attracted you to them becomes overshadowed.

Missbopeep · 29/07/2013 15:33

:) and you too recall.

OP have some advice from someone old enough to be your mum.....I was hurt badly 3-4 times before I eventually got married including a broken engagement. The men who were most keen were those who thought I didn't give a damn- either because I genuinely didn't, or because I deserved an Oscar for implying I didn't.

Intensity, clinging, possessiveness sends most men running for the hills.

Back off and you have far more chance of getting what you want.

recall · 29/07/2013 15:34

Just give him the blow job of his life - usually get commitment with them Grin

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:35

Well I feel a bit bruised still by what was said so that won't be difficult right now Missbopeep Smile

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Eglute · 29/07/2013 15:37

I have wasted 2.5 years on someone very similar.. I think that kind of guys will never be ready for a proper relationship. And why would they? They get all benefits without taking any resposnibility..

That is my personal advice. I have just ended this relationship..

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:38

I'm sorry Eglute Sad

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GoshAnneGorilla · 29/07/2013 15:38

I'd leave this one alone.

The fact is you do want to be his girlfriend.

There is nothing wrong, unreasonable or shameful in that.

He is a 38 year old man and had a ridiculous reaction to the mere suggestion of it.

The fact is you will always be treading on eggshells now and why on earth should you?

O.P have a good think about what you want. If it's marriage and kids, this chances are that this bloke isn't the one for you. 32 isn't old, but it's too old to be pissing your life away with someone who want give you what you want.

Finally, people might be saying that Val sounds like she comes from the 1950's, but I don't think just being meek and saying nothing about what you really want is being particularly enlightened either.

I wouldn't do time limits, walking away after 6 months is likely to be harder then walking away now and you'll feel worse about putting so much time into a relationship that didn't work out.

recall · 29/07/2013 15:38

missbopeep I so agree. When I was first going out with my husband ( of 19 years ) I acted like I was so not bothered, but inside I was nervous as hell. Some nights I would make myself unavailable, only to be sat at home missing him like mad. I know you aren't supposed to play games, but this one works the best in my experience. Its like when you sell a car or a kitten, if you say you have someone else interested, they become really keen and stop messing about Grin

Twirlyhot · 29/07/2013 15:38

That's a good chunk of time. I'd be wary of putting too much into this relationship. If you're seeing him every weekend, are you spending much time with friends? Meeting new people? Having good sex is always worthwhile, but there are lots of other people out there and the person you choose for no strings sex isn't necessarily the same person you'd choose for a relationship. And are you sure that you want another relationship right now?

GoshAnneGorilla · 29/07/2013 15:40

Game playing and blow jobs? It's 2013, shouldn't we be expecting more then this?

Twirlyhot · 29/07/2013 15:41

I am rather surprised by all the people suggesting it was expecting too much too soon for him to use the word 'girlfriend'! I'm glad you posted GoshAnnGorilla.

recall · 29/07/2013 15:41

The blow job was just a joke...

recall · 29/07/2013 15:42

and it was 1993 when I was playing games?Im a gimmer

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:42

I didn't think i did, it just crept up on me.

I see my friends all the time, I live with two and see other friends regularly. I have not let my personal life go to shit. I have hobbies and pastimes.

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maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:43

Recall I knew you were kidding Wink

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Missbopeep · 29/07/2013 15:43

I agree too recall
Ours was a LDR and after 2.5 years I was sick of either him or me having to drive almost 100 miles on a Friday night.

[Note to OP 2.5 years- not a few months, and I was late 20s]

So I started saying I was busy on X weekend, and sometimes I was ( with friends) and other times I was staring into my cup of tea wishing like hell I was with him and why 'play games'.

Then I did meet someone else, playing sport, so I had a genuine reason not to see him every weekend and it drove him mad.

We were engaged and married 12 weeks later.

Twirlyhot · 29/07/2013 15:49

Good.

It's not a bad thing to get attached to someone you know! You haven't done anything wrong! I find his response odd and disproportionate. It's not like you asked him to move in!

As for 'game playing', I've been married for years. More than 10 but not 19 yet. I've never bothered with that. It sounds utterly pointless. Basic communication shouldn't be difficult. Playing games sounds like a lot of effort for something that should be fun!

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:50

Thats how I feel too Twirly

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Twirlyhot · 29/07/2013 15:52

Regardless of the differences of opinion, being busy and seeing less of him seems to be a common thread. And maybe it will have him realising he wants more commitment. Or maybe you'll meet someone else and not care. Either way is a win for you?

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 15:56

Yes, I think you're right twirly. I'm going to make some more plans with my friends. Not game playing, just keeping busy.

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recall · 29/07/2013 16:00

Good idea crapartist

Missbopeep · 29/07/2013 16:00

Game playing is not a good term. But we all need to deploy tactics and basic psychology in all relationships whether at work , home or with friends.

You wouldn't tell your boss he was crap, unless you wanted a reprimand or dismissal.

Withholding the true extent of your feelings with a man who is clearly running scared is not playing games really- it's protecting your interests .

maryclarey · 29/07/2013 16:14

That makes sense Missbopeep. I won't ask for any more until he starts giving. If he does. And if he doesn't then I guess I'll deal with it.

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