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Being single

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blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 08:37

This is a spin off from another thread on here which made me realise several of us were in the same boat.

When you split up with a partner, or express anxiety about the years ahead, either because you want a baby or just worry about being alone, one of two responses tends to be made.

The first response is that you WILL meet somebody, it is easy, the person you're talking to has and they know an aunts friends neighbour who did. If you've been alone some time the response becomes accusatory and tells you that you haven't made the effort and you need to 'put yourself out there.' For most people this means online dating or 'clubs'.

The second response is that you should be happy for beng single - grateful in fact, because they had an abusive partner some years ago and are happier without him and if you're lonely maybe you should join a club.

Grin

This thread is for single women in the real world. To take the first response, you may meet somebody, that is true. However, for some of us we know its unlikely. In my case it is my age. I am mid-thirties, most men my age are settled with a marriage, a mortgage and children. Younger men want younger women. I joined mysinglefriend last year (online dating site) and the numbers of hugely attractive, professional women in their thirties was significant. I got nowhere with that, one date Grin and we had little in common. I have since spoken to many women who have admitted online dating wasn't for them, and nor was it for me. I am a slow burner and can't feign affection for somebody on the basis of one meeting. That leaves meeting someone in 'real life' which is not easy. Certainly all (I'm really not exaggerating) the men I meet are attached.

While you can be happy alone, and I am, it doesn't mean it isn't hard sometimes. My social life is restricted and I spend a lot of time alone because my friends are married with babies/small children. Holidays are difficult. I don't get to enjoy any intimacy (I wouldn't like one night stands) and while I've taken the step of deciding to have a child alone, for other women accepting single hood means accepting being childless which would break my heart.

The advice to 'put yourself out there' and join clubs is well meaning but doesn't account for the lack of 'clubs' - certainly around here the clubs are for young mothers and for retired people! Not quite what I am looking for!

'Get a pet' is also advice that can be very upsetting. I have two cats, they are much loved animals but they are not a people substitute and should not be viewed as such.

Sme people assume you are single because on some subconscious level you are damaged and shy fom intimate relations. There was perhaps some truth in that for me once, but in the last seven years I have worked with men who I found attractive and who I was drawn to. If they'd asked, I'd have said yes - but they didn't - why, because of their girlfriends.

So I am starting this thread in an attempt to:

dispel the myths about why women are single
to give us a safe place to moan without being ordered to join clubs!
discuss matters pertaining to single women.

I hope someone else posts now! Grin

OP posts:
MadBusLady · 30/06/2013 18:42

If I'm honest, the advice I would give is lose weight.

I don't think we need to worry about the "opinions" of this poster much Wink

DiaryOfAWimpyMum · 30/06/2013 19:08

Umm why on earth would the OP want to lose weight?

he has said she isn't seeking a relationship and is quite happy and we were going to discuss single life and sure enough someone comes on with the good old line:

Just lose some weight?

Why? What will happen then ? Will Op suddenly change her mind and decide she really needs a man in her life?

I don't think so. Grin

arsenaltilidie · 30/06/2013 19:52

OP didnt mean to be so blunt, im not trying to stop you from expressing yourself but you seem to dismiss anything positive said about the future.

And I find it odd to be in your 30s (I assume) and never been in a relationship.

As for the overweight thing, most women i know that are not happy about being single tend to do with losing a bit of weight.
I don't mean being underweight, i mean could do with bringing their BMI down.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 19:56

God, if that was you not being blunt I'd love to see you when you ARE blunt Hmm

Yes, it's odd to be in my 30s and not to have had a relationship. But, as I've explained, I had quite a difficult late adolescence and early/mid twenties. By the time I was ready to meet someone I was around 27/28 and most people were paired up.

My BMI is just fine thanks for your 'concern.'

No matter how you dress it up, your post was rude.

I have "dismissed" the sort of "positive" advice that single women get sick of hearing - quite honestly, I could retire early if I had a penny for the number of times I have heard about "I know X who met her DH when she was 38 and then they had triplets at 40!" stories.

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AWarmFuzzyFuture · 30/06/2013 19:57

arse if I said what I thought of your posts, they would be removed.

Don't make sexist assumptions, your posts are IMO misogynistic.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 20:01

Don't the last couple of pages or so show though what we do actually have to put up with?

A number of women come onto a thread and say they like it, they can identify with it and they want to post on it - but a few people are determined to tell us how wrong we are; wrong to give up hope, wrong to be fat (despite the fact none of us have even alluded to our weight) and that we need to put ourselves "out there" on a thread that complains about this treatment in real life

I am trying to imagine any other supportive thread having this!

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watchforthesnail · 30/06/2013 20:30

blackbird, i have also said i like this thread, ive posted several times, once this morning about how hard it can be sometimes.

I havent and i dont think anyone has said anyone is wrong to hope or even give up hope, its an individual thing, surely?

Same as some people are happy single and never want to have sex and some people are less happy single and want a ton of sex, everyone is different and thats ok, you know :)

MsWazowski · 30/06/2013 20:49

Blackbird, I'm much more of a lurker than a poster, but I was relieved when you started this thread. It makes me feel much more 'normal'. Having been single for 15 years now, barring the odd fwb, I've finally accepted that its how it will probably always be.

I've just turned 40, not fat (thanks arsenal!) work full time and have brought up two lovely children by myself.

A friend of mine met someone through online dating a few years ago, has moved in with him and had a baby, but IMO, he is an arse and she has lost all of her independence. I would rather be on my own.

I feel sad sometimes that it is how it has to be, but there you go.

Thanks for the thread, not everyone is in a couple Smile

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 21:26

Oh Arsenal Blush that makes more sense; I thought he was called arse! Grin

Watch I haven't said it isn't ok for people to be different - in some ways that is the whole point of this thread - I'm not sure what you mean there to be honest.

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Zynia41 · 30/06/2013 21:28

What! my BMI is 22 and probably lower than most of my married friends. godsakes.

akaWisey · 30/06/2013 21:31

I've lurked a bit on this thread because I didn't quite know how I wanted to respond but it's made me think quite a bit.

So I'm single now but would rather my long marriage hadn't gone tits up a bit over two years ago although there was no alternative course of action. Back in the days when I bought into the "you're so lovely, he's an arse and you'll meet someone who deserves you" narrative I clung to it.

The "being single isn't a crime and you should embrace it" line always stung tbh. I've got loads of mates who are both living together, married, single, together but not living together and all other permutations possible. These days I like being single. I'm dating but I'm wary of commitment - I've just realised what I want but I don't know what it would look like if I met someone special. I will NEVER tie myself legally to someone again is the only thing I'm sure of.

I often see men I fancy, I meet a lot of people through my job and my social life is pretty good so I don't feel like there's no hope but I DO wonder what the function a relationship would serve for me now I'm able to embrace my early 50's and I can please myself how I spend my time.

I think if I want to put a positive 'spin' on being single I'd say that for me it's more about knowing my own mind, thinking my own thoughts and acting on them. Right now I don't know if I'll have another relationship of any kind but right now I believe that's protecting me from making wrong decisions IYSWIM.

Rambled, sorry and hope this feels like a contribution to the discussion. Smile.

arsenaltilidie · 30/06/2013 21:52

The old misogynistic card Shock
Excluding people who are happily single; the weight issue tend to be generally true in the Men AND Women I know.

However that said men that are 'involuntary celibate' for a long time tend to have something 'odd' about them.
Makes me think of the saying "Men parking are like parking space....."
As for the posts aimed at me, seriously assume whatever, you want I'm allowed to have an opinion (weight hinders your dating pool).

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 22:00

Arsenal, no one has even mentioned their weight Hmm

For most of us, we do not nearly fit into a box of "happily" or "unhappily" single. I suspect that most of the contributors have been single for so long, it is something that just is, in the same way I am not happily or unhappily 32 years old - I just am. My life has many happy, positive things in it. It also has elements that aren't so happy or that aren't so positive. A normal life, you might say! Grin

However, where this does differ is that I don't feel able to talk about sometimes feeling lonely, isolated, worried about the future or sexually frustrated with my friends or family because I end up with the comments listed on this thread. Even seeking support online (as this thread shows!) leads to head shaking and well meant "advice" to "join things."

You are of course allowed to have an opinion but I do have to question why you made it here, when no one mentioned weight and no one even said "I am desperate for a man." We're just talking about our lives!

Maybe start another thread - "AIBU to think fat people are doomed to be single" - go on, I dare you Wink

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Zynia41 · 30/06/2013 22:05

yeh that'd be funny! you have balls if you do!

I am as slim as i'm going to get from eating healthily and working out four times a week. I wouldn't be motivated to step it UP a notch so that I could be Hmm lucky enough to maybe date a man ten years my senior lol.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 22:07

Why ever not, Zynia Wink

I work with a woman who is massive, actually - I mean seriously she would struggle to fit on an aeroplane massive. She is lovely but whenever I give her a lift I have to leave a wide berth on her side when I park next to another car! Grin But she is married very happily and is not short of male attention!

I think she just has always had the confidence to be who she is which is in itself attractive (it can't be good for her health, though!)

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Zynia41 · 30/06/2013 22:28

I believe it! I have an old school friend on my fb list, she is massive too. She is always out internet dating. And she has no problem with the casual sex thing tmi on fb less info would be ok Grin

Notcontent · 30/06/2013 22:41

Arsenal, the reason people are single is usually not because there is something "wrong" with them.
I am slim, reasonably attractive, educated, have a good job. But guess what? I found myself alone in my early 30s, with a small baby, and just not what most men at that stage in their life were looking for. I have been single for quite some time now and expect that this is how it will be for ever now.

blackbirdatglanmore · 30/06/2013 22:46

You're not alone, NotContent; I'd love a 'singles' meet as everyone is so lovely and I bet you're all really gorgeous, too!

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Scarletohello · 30/06/2013 22:58

Have read this whole thread and tbh find it depressing and reassuring at the same time! On the one hand I hate being single and long for the closeness and intimacy and all the benefits being in a relationship can bring but at the same time I also know how lonely and disappointing they can be at the same time and I'd much rather be single than be in a bad relationship any day. I'm 48 now and I feel guys in their 40s either want younger women, are divorced and just want casual sex or are single because they are dysfunctional in a way. So, what to do..? I really love sex so I meet a lot of guys to have casual sex with, it's fun but its not really what I want and it's a bit depressing how many nice, intelligent attractive guys are out there... But all they want is an occasional shag.

I guess all we can do is try and live our lives to the full and be grateful for what we do have, but yeah, sometimes it just sucks....! Thanks for creating this space where we can talk about this stuff, it is really hard to do in RL

Walkacrossthesand · 30/06/2013 23:57

I had a dream last night, in which I had met someone, he liked me, I liked him, we were beginning to be 'together' - I was so sad when I woke up to my ongoing single reality! .

Selba · 01/07/2013 00:07

I think arsenal has an entirely valid point if you are overweight . Someone further up DID say they felt fat and frumpy and not like the person they were just a few years ago.
I have felt exactly like that for over two years ( for a variety of personal reasons ) . I am clawing my way back to a more recognisable version of myself, have lost a lot of weight. Lo and behold I am now attracting male attention . But more importantly I feel much much happier

A friend of mine owns a gym. He jokes that the loyal customers in their 20s and 30s drift away and often return ten or 15 years later after getting divorced and fat !

comingintomyown · 01/07/2013 11:35

Thank goodness there are people prepared to enlighten us singles with the surprising information that being overweight may hinder our chances of attracting a partner.

MadBusLady · 01/07/2013 11:48

When you're on a Self Improvement kick and are gymming/losing weight, for some reason it's impossibly not to tell everyone about it. Repeatedly. No matter what their actual problems are or whether they need to lose weight. I know, I've been that person

OhTiger · 01/07/2013 12:29

I really like this thread, and I see what you are saying Blackbird! Support and natter and all that, not "there's someone round the sodding corner just for you" nonsense Smile

I'm single, have been for a few years, was married, have DC. I've dated a bit over the last 18mths, but they all seems to be single-for-a-very-good-reason. I echo what someone said up there men are so disappointing.

I'm going to be single for the next 9/10 years, as I have no interest in trying to juggle a man and kids and a job and home and a dog and a masters. I just cannot be bothered. So in 9/10 years I'll think about maybe dating again.

I am going to miss sex and my FWB lives in the wrong bloody country. I may get a new one of them at some point. God knows how.

Latara · 01/07/2013 12:36

I think my biggest problem is that i keep getting depressed and that is (or could be) offputting to men... except i hear about how XYZ are dating women who are ''manic'' or ''depressive'' so it can't be that can it?

I'm 2 stone overweight trying hard to loose weight but i see lots of fat girls (i mean very fat) with men anyway.

Maybe it's cos i'm quite shy? The more confident women seem to have less trouble meeting men, whatever their age.

When i feel happy and confident i get men starting to try talking to me or acting like they fancy me but i don't feel like that very often right now.

How do you fake that you feel happy and confident when you aren't really?

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