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Being single

335 replies

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 08:37

This is a spin off from another thread on here which made me realise several of us were in the same boat.

When you split up with a partner, or express anxiety about the years ahead, either because you want a baby or just worry about being alone, one of two responses tends to be made.

The first response is that you WILL meet somebody, it is easy, the person you're talking to has and they know an aunts friends neighbour who did. If you've been alone some time the response becomes accusatory and tells you that you haven't made the effort and you need to 'put yourself out there.' For most people this means online dating or 'clubs'.

The second response is that you should be happy for beng single - grateful in fact, because they had an abusive partner some years ago and are happier without him and if you're lonely maybe you should join a club.

Grin

This thread is for single women in the real world. To take the first response, you may meet somebody, that is true. However, for some of us we know its unlikely. In my case it is my age. I am mid-thirties, most men my age are settled with a marriage, a mortgage and children. Younger men want younger women. I joined mysinglefriend last year (online dating site) and the numbers of hugely attractive, professional women in their thirties was significant. I got nowhere with that, one date Grin and we had little in common. I have since spoken to many women who have admitted online dating wasn't for them, and nor was it for me. I am a slow burner and can't feign affection for somebody on the basis of one meeting. That leaves meeting someone in 'real life' which is not easy. Certainly all (I'm really not exaggerating) the men I meet are attached.

While you can be happy alone, and I am, it doesn't mean it isn't hard sometimes. My social life is restricted and I spend a lot of time alone because my friends are married with babies/small children. Holidays are difficult. I don't get to enjoy any intimacy (I wouldn't like one night stands) and while I've taken the step of deciding to have a child alone, for other women accepting single hood means accepting being childless which would break my heart.

The advice to 'put yourself out there' and join clubs is well meaning but doesn't account for the lack of 'clubs' - certainly around here the clubs are for young mothers and for retired people! Not quite what I am looking for!

'Get a pet' is also advice that can be very upsetting. I have two cats, they are much loved animals but they are not a people substitute and should not be viewed as such.

Sme people assume you are single because on some subconscious level you are damaged and shy fom intimate relations. There was perhaps some truth in that for me once, but in the last seven years I have worked with men who I found attractive and who I was drawn to. If they'd asked, I'd have said yes - but they didn't - why, because of their girlfriends.

So I am starting this thread in an attempt to:

dispel the myths about why women are single
to give us a safe place to moan without being ordered to join clubs!
discuss matters pertaining to single women.

I hope someone else posts now! Grin

OP posts:
allaflutter · 19/06/2013 12:34

I'd actually be more than happy to be friend with a mum, as far as she could occasionally get away from the house on her own, but I'd be happy also to go for a walk or cafe when she's with kids, of course. I think some women with dc kind of avoid just single women, which is a shame, unless the single woman is very selfish.

allaflutter · 19/06/2013 12:36

Dahlen - what sort of volunteering though? all I'm aware of locally is charity shop work easily available, but they stay empty for a lot of the time. I've tried museums - all spaces gone as only a few museums here. Anything else to look for?

PostBellumBugsy · 19/06/2013 13:50

allaflutter - I did think about babysitting swaps but one of my DCs is autistic spectrum and it was a bit too much of an ask of another mum to be honest.

Also, I only know one other single mum & she and I have about as much in common as a fish & a bear! Wink

I don't mind - I've only got about another 18 months to go, maybe less, before I can do a couple of hours out of the house locally in the evening without worrying that I'll be referred to social services if anyone knows that I'm leaving them home alone.

With regard to volunteering - try www.do-it.org.uk and see what comes up.

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 15:55

Well, that's the last time I start a support thread! Grin

Sorry everyone but I wasn't looking for advice (and nor was I whining!) - I was hoping others in similar situations could maybe come on and we could share a bit!

I do loads of stuff. Loads. You still end up with a lot of time on your own. Nor do I meet a man through any of them - it could be that I'm actually a hideous bog trotting beast but I don't think it is.

I am fine with being single but it can be a pain at times - that's all this thread was meant to be, not a "hurrah I get the bed to myself" or a "how can I meet a man" or even "well clubs you CAN join are ..."

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ThisReallyIsNotSPNopeNotAtAll · 19/06/2013 15:57

Black I shared mine! I didn't give advice Grin

I'm shit at advice giving so I should be a great help to you Grin

CogitoErgoSometimes · 19/06/2013 16:04

But isn't it stating the obvious to say that a single person spends a lot of time on their own? I don't see how that's supportive really...

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 16:07

It's nice to know you're not alone cognito.

You could say that about any problem on here - 'isn't it obvious mums with babies have little sleep and are tired?' - it is still nice to have a chat about it!

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PostBellumBugsy · 19/06/2013 16:08

Sorry OP. There's alot of good bits for me - so I shared them. Don't think I gave any advice, although I accept that I may have got a bit carried away with the sieze the moment stuff! Grin

Don't get put off - tell us more about what it is you were looking to get out of this?

MadBusLady · 19/06/2013 16:12

I sympathise OP, I really do. God, what else is the internet for if not the kind of thread you asked for? You could read all this Little Miss Positivity schtick in a magazine any day of the week.

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 16:16

Post - I wasn't really looking for anything other than to have a chat.

Why does anybody post anything at all, actually? Grin What are they hoping to get out of it?

Advice, support, friendliness, camaraderie, anything really - but not being told I was whining when I patently wasn't Hmm

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allaflutter · 19/06/2013 16:29

well, I'm in your shoes OP (bar considering becoming a single mother) but I really don't mind advice, I really deep down would like to meet the right man so if I'm missing something (like volunteering options) I would want to hear it. And would want to hear how to meet other single women. Yes, none of the advice guarantees anything, but to me this IS support and someone taking time to help, and may be worth adding to my other activities (which I do a lot too). I also found it good to just share (sorry it was very long). If you see support as something else, can you be more specific - chat about what?

I mean, we can't just all repeat the same phrase 'I'm single and it's a pain at times', and I've mentioned that already anyway Grin.

PostBellumBugsy · 19/06/2013 16:31

Chat and support are good things - but this is MN and someone will nearly always call you on something! I've been around for eons & even the most non-contentious threads can end up being a big debate about whether or not the tone of "should I wear trousers to meet my friend on thursday?" was passive aggressive!!!! Wink

allaflutter · 19/06/2013 16:34

Post - thanks, will have a look. You are funny about 'bear and fish' Grin, are you in a vrey small place, with no MN local mums? Yes, it's good to plan, maybe do a bit of studying at home meanwhile. But I admire your patience.

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 16:34

No one's saying advice isn't a good thing, flutter, but all the same, being accused of being "whiny"? Hmm Anyway, doesn't really matter, I have had a shit day and could have done without coming home to that.

OP posts:
BreakOutTheKaraoke · 19/06/2013 16:35

Feeling much the same at the minute. It's shit, it's lonely, but due to childcare and finances, you're stuck where you are. Hey ho. Just have to get on with it.

allaflutter · 19/06/2013 16:36

yes, Post, I've also learned to tread on eggshells a bit on MN, but it's still a good place overall.

allaflutter · 19/06/2013 16:37

OP, if it was just one person who mentioned being whiney, it's easier to dismiss it rather than get upset, as the rest of posters were quite nice.

LurkingBeagle · 19/06/2013 16:38

Blackbird - I am glad you started this thread. I am single and childless, and nearly 40. (No idea how that happened!)

I don't expect to meet anyone now, and I have found that quite liberating in itself. I have never had much luck with men even when younger - not much of a looker tbh, although I know some very ugly people who are married so maybe it's not that! Grin I have known for some time that I will not have any kids, for medical reasons, but the reason I gave up OD was because the men who contacted me were usually in their 50's or 60's. Younger men just tended to think I was desperate for a baybee because of my age, but I wasn't prepared to give them my medical history when most of them acted like I was asking for the moon when I suggested coffee!

Oh and I a lot of clubs - horse riding, voluntary work, sailing, and work in an exceptionally male-dominated industry and go to lots of do's, some of them quite swanky ones! I have not been asked out in 7 years. My only dates have been through OD and all 3 were disastrous - although they gave me some useful dinner party anecdotes.

You are not alone!

SummersHere · 19/06/2013 16:39

The only thing that bothers me about being single is other peoples perception of me, actually that does'nt really bother me that much. As you say op people seem to think you must be 'damaged' in some way or abnormal because you choose to be single and enjoy it.
I was single and childless for a long time and now I'm a single parent and I've never been bothered by it, quite the opposite. I just don't really want a partner and certainly not a live in one. I like my life how it is, free from complication.
I don't understand people who jump from one relationship to the next, same as they probably don't understand my choices.

PostBellumBugsy · 19/06/2013 16:41

Aw, blackbird - have a Wine & take yourself over to the relationships threads. A few minutes browsing through the car crashes over there & you'll feel really glad you're single. Smile

blackbirdatglanmore · 19/06/2013 16:41

I've NEVER been asked out! Grin

I ride horses as well! Also row (as in boats.)

I like the fact my life is free from complications. I do find though that I'd like to go away a bit more, for weekends/holidays.

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Selba · 19/06/2013 16:48

Genuine question here.
For those of you, now single, who were previously married ( or in LTR ) which makes you happier?

allaflutter · 19/06/2013 16:52

Hi Lurking, well you are similar to me in age (and no dc), I'm still doing a little OD but I have put on my profile 'no' to dc exactly because some men would think i'm trying to grab my last chance - some think that 40ish isn't too late for the first dc!Shock So if you still were to do the OD, just make it clear.
I'm also contacted mainly by 50s/60s men but that's because there are more in this age range who are divorced! When I tried a more 'fun' site couple of years ago, I was inundated by young men's messages for sex, so it's nothing to do with your attractiveness level, purely that younger men looking to have dc look for younger women. Unfortunately very few well-adjusted older men online, or indeed divorced in RL, women who 'get' them are those who became an OW first. I must say, my dates were not bad but just not my type/no spark, I'm also fed up with the whole 'decide fast' culture of OD, so now trying to meet people in rl more. I'm starting to come round to the pint of view that actively looking is reaaly bad for morale, and agree it's liberating not to, so I've now shifted my focus to friendships.

bestsonever · 19/06/2013 16:54

As a single parent, you are not on your own but you are missing adult company still - don't start me on the physical side, really miss that. I work shifts, full-time so free time is limited and not always at social hours. Given OD a go over the years but notice that once you get past 40 similar aged men are looking for 10 years younger so it's rare to get a look-in, given that up as a bad job now.
So, next up activity club, turns out average age of members is age I am at and 85% are single, but that's not the sole point as I've always fancied paragliding and so I'm off doing it with the club soon. I'm quite active, with a life's too short attitude, so this is me grabbing it, who knows!

PostBellumBugsy · 19/06/2013 16:56

Hmmm, Selba - that is an interesting question.

I was really happy when I was first with ex-H & really miserable by the time we split up. I am happier now than I was for the last year or so of our relationship, but probably not as happy as I was during the good times.

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