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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships: 23

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/06/2013 23:32

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you?re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples' therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change:
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don?t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
horsetowater · 21/06/2013 08:34

So what do I tell the GP to stop them making me go on Anti-D's? I truly believe that my problems are caused by the fact that I met FW when I was so young and have lived a life of conflict for all those years.

minkembernard · 21/06/2013 08:38

breathe,sweet Brew and to anyone else struggling. feeling a bit weird myself lately on a lot of fronts. just keeping swimming.

coming off ADs is hard but I used to rationslise and tell myself the depression is more a reaction to stopping ADs than to life. this too will pass.
and exercise works wonders i have bn in remission from BPD for 9 years thanks to regular exercise. and i am fit as well Grin

minkembernard · 21/06/2013 08:42

horse they cannot make you go.on ADs. ask for CBT and an exercise referral.
and if they are pushy ask to see a psychiatrist. GPs are not properly able to assess MH issues.

breathe that might work for you too.
they do discounted gym sessions as an exercise referral.

foolonthehill · 21/06/2013 09:32

Hi Horse: remember your MN name.....

You cannot be forced to take anti depressants . If you need talking therapy that may be limited on the NHS as most is focussed on CBT at present...this may be useful to you but might not be enough....could you access a BACP counsellor privately??

Are you still with your FW? cos if you are there may be a much more permanent way to get shot of the depression........

foolonthehill · 21/06/2013 09:32

OTOH anti D's may help you regain enough of yourself to seek help and heal yourself...it is not a life sentence.

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/06/2013 09:38

horse I remember your name too...

The last time I restarted ADs, they got me together enough to get shot of the real cause of my depression. But if you don't want them, you don't have to have them...

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 09:50

Hello everyone, Fool, nice to know you are still here. I have had horrendous family stuff going on and have had to put my own relationship problems on hold, so FW still around.

It's not easy to leave when you've been together for so long, and when everything else around you falls apart it becomes easier to stay.

Upshot of GP is that I can see the psychiatrist so hopefully that will help point me in the right direction. He told me there was a scheme for refugees... but not much funding for me as I haven't got a diagnosed mental illness like schizophrenia. I kind of believe that my depression/problem has a cause (mainly FW) and better to deal with that first.

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 09:53

If I had an extra £200 a month to spare I would gladly pay privately. I just don't have it.

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/06/2013 10:17

It's not easy to leave when you've been together for so long, and when everything else around you falls apart it becomes easier to stay.

Too right. But also it's never too late to escape from a FW. (I may have been pink, or even a reindeer, when I last 'saw' you - reader (horse), I divorced him!)

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 10:26

Ah, Pinkpc, I rember you now - how are you!

lavenderblue1 · 21/06/2013 10:31

Sweetpeasunday and bountyicecream thank you ever so much for such clear thinking and solid advice. completely at a loss to what to think and its very helpful to have another persons view! Yes the ME did knock her back a lot, her confidence is very low, and with her last boyfriend who was fine, but not really a good match she did make the decision that although she didnt love him it might have been as good as it got, and unfortunately ended badly. so it could be that. thank you gain for the advice x

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 10:31

As you say, it's never too late. I know I don't want to get old with him, I also know I need a better role model for dcs. The oldest will be leaving home in 3 years so haven't got long.

The other thing that's hard is living in London. If I can stay in the house that's fine but I'm almost certain we will have to sell within 6 months and then we'll end up in a 2 bedroom flat in the arse end of town. So likelihood is we will have to move out of London with all the upheaval that entails for the dcs. I won't mind at all, but they probably will.

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/06/2013 10:34

horse I have never been better! As soon as I filed for divorce my depression went. There followed a stressful year before he actually went, I mainly MNetting and fought to keep the house during this time. Now it is just me and DCat, still in our lovely house, and a long-time once-platonic friendship has transformed into something special Blush Grin :)

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 10:41

That's great news Cat, I can't remember if you had dcs.

Tell me about your new man. Has he been 'waiting for you'? It sounds like something out of a novel.

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 10:44

Cat message me if you like, I feel I need to leave space for all the others on here. Apologies to everyone if I've just burst in the room rather loudly, butting into your conversations!

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 10:46

You know what's weird - I find that when I feel I'm getting support I go all weepy. That's not depression is it, it's desperation - desperate for support because I'm not getting it from the person who should be supporting me.

betterthanever · 21/06/2013 10:51

screwit I am so sorry what you are going through and the others have already given you wonderful advice.
My exp did the same thing, changed when I became pregnant. I am years down the line now and when I look back there had been a few things before I got pregnant (it was only a brief relationship) but I noticed the abuse much more afterwards. He then ended the relationship when the abuse wasnot have the desired effect and when he did he said it was not the pregnancy that had mde him leave it was me and he listed all the things that were wrong with me, I had never suggested it was the pregnancy. It was shocking to see such a change in someone depsite the `niggles' I had felt before. It has never stopped.... years later. They don't change. I am glad you have gone away for a couple of weeks to think.
The others will have better advice about how to live apart but please use the time to seek the practicle help to keep safe both emotionally and physcially.

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/06/2013 10:59

No, he hasn't been waiting...

I really thought I was past all that, my libido had long gone and I was v happy with my (celibate) post-divorce life. He wooed me, and was patient, and I realised that I had gradually managed to dissociate from my body as a protective measure over the last 10 years or so. He allowed me to reclaim my body, as it were, and my libido reawoke Blush. Plus I keep pinching myself because he does nice things for me, and even if we have a disagreement (and we can get quite heated :) ) we sort it out and no-one sulks. And, while we have separate lives, he likes to go out and have fun.

I have grown up DCs of 24 and 22. Although the younger, DD, has moved to live at Ex's house, and we did not see eye to eye during the divorce (I did not tell her why we were splitting) we are on excellent mother-daughter terms now. DS moved out near the start of divorce, he managed to keep out of things!

betterthanever · 21/06/2013 10:59

Horse you mentioning going all weepy has made me weepy and want to put my arms round everyone and just say thank you for all your support even, when I don't really deserve it The best thing the psychiatrist said to me was in the first line... `you are not mad or crazy'.

ponygirlcurtis · 21/06/2013 11:14

Am only on briefly, got a busy weekend of stuff going on, but just wanted to send much love and support to you all. bounty my lovely, you've done an amazing thing. You are putting all the steps in place, you are protecting your DD. I know how hard it is, I know it's not as easy as to just say 'cut' and that's all feelings and history with a relationship in the past. But you will get there. Please, if he is going to be around this weekend, imagine that everything he is saying is wrong (it will be), but don't engage with his 'this is all your fault I am blameless really' rhetoric. And I'm so glad you found that solicitor, she sounds great.

Probably wont manage on much over t'weekend, but will be thinking of you all.
xxxxxx

foolonthehill · 21/06/2013 12:42

Getting weepy when people are nice...yep that's me too...just shows how rubbish our lives are/have been that just simple nice gets that sort of reaction!

horsetowater · 21/06/2013 12:43

better that's made me go all weepy again - 3rd time today!

TheSilveryPussycat · 21/06/2013 12:52

Just caught up with the thread. Wow! Such a lot of steps to freedom, people realising stuff, and bounty Grin You can have a lot of fun browsing in charity shops for stuff to transform your current show home.

FairyFi · 21/06/2013 13:03

good luck with the GP htw really hope you are met with complete understanding and knowledge of FWs! but also maybe they only need to know how you feel.... Let us know how you get on if thats helpful.

FairyFi · 21/06/2013 13:18

huge... HUGE... numbers of women are only suffering mental health issues(?) as a result of FWs too long in our lives, having too much influence over our feelings and thoughts and eventually beliefs about it.

Ive noticed how I'm not weepy about other stuff... .I'm hugely upset about this only. It could be called depression, and the dissociation due to extreme trauma other things, but i'm sticking to laying it on him, and only a human reaction to him, not that i'm wholly different and to be to blame. Only human, vulnerable and had pain evoked by him and ignored by him, fear instilled by him and ignored by him.

I wanted an end to these things for my daughter before myself, but I should have done it for myself so so many years earlier, but i didn't and I realise why, but now I know.

did huge x-post htw Blush

love and a stuffing-as-much-happines-in-our-lives-as-possible and making-changes weekend to all Smile Smile Smile xx