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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships:22

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foolonthehill · 23/05/2013 18:05

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
thatsnotmynamereally · 05/06/2013 15:21

Heg wow that is spot on, another trait of FWs? you should have seen my H opening his 'thoughtfully selected' Christmas presents, he tossed each on aside, it was painful to watch (he didn't get anyone anything but of course he pays for it all so it doesn't matter, gave the DCs a few £20 notes each...). Oh there was one that he liked, it was a book about Hitler that the DCs found in a £1 shop, they bought it for a joke (as H is somewhat of a Hitler apologist, usually for a joke, he isn't in the BNP or anything but will argue that he was misunderstood and I'm now starting to think it isn't funny. At all.) we were Shock and he went around telling everyone it was the only good Xmas present he got...

BTW photo a great idea, I just hope your DCs will enjoy giving it and feel proud of themselves, after all that is the important thing!

heghog · 05/06/2013 15:49

thats Shock FW also fan of Hitler books. but he is a racist and hates Jews. he would deny it if pushed but really it is true.
goddam they can't all like Hitler surely?? (power crazed shouty man...well maybe they could)

I am just going for photo inside the card. he can frame it himself. well he is an ex! or the dcs can make a frame for it. and he cannot complain he got me a £1 bunch of daffs this year (which i liked fine cos i love daffs).

but my FW did actually give presents. he made a big show of giving presents. I have to buy all the dcs presents though. but he used to buy mine. this involved him getting more and more stressed as the occasion approached. (taking it out on me) then he would eventually go shopping at the last minute and phone me up repeatedly from the shops sounding panicked and furious.
so the last few years I had to say what I wanted and then go out and buy it too.
he would add up the price of everything you bought him to check you had spent enough.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 16:17

Lol, my FW has a real thing for Stalin - maybe there's a pattern? Wink

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/06/2013 16:20

Funny that I was thinking of getting EH a photo of the dcs in a frame as well for Father's Day. Grin I'm not certain what else would be appropriate tbh.

nini if you gave him jelly babies wrapped up, maybe it can be a "see, I'm not afraid of this - this is a reminder that I know who you REALLY are" kind of gift? And even if he doesn't get the hidden meaning, you can be quietly thinking "little men for a little man" Grin

heghog · 05/06/2013 16:21

Grin little men for a little man

TheSilveryPussycat · 05/06/2013 16:35

nini detach, darling! Those days that used to have their proper significance are merely meaningless numbers now. You are getting all upset over smoke and mirrors Sad. If you must, buy presents to keep the peace. FW is clearly giving you presents only to cause you pain. Why? Because he is a FW!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 16:38

Snigger at 'Little men for a little man' Grin. Photo frame and small bag of jelly babies methinks!

You're right though Silver Sad. I get sucked back in, not strong enough to stay detached for long. Sad.

TheSilveryPussycat · 05/06/2013 16:42

Hope springs eternal, believe me I know nini, and somehow the pain feeds it, perhaps (going from my own experience). Until, after decades in my case, the spring of hope dries up... at least with regard to my FW.

And that is the start of the next part of your life :)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 16:44

I feel a bit better now, thanks Smile

verygentlydoesit · 05/06/2013 17:54

Well I should be careful what I wish for SadAngrySad. P has told me he's found somewhere to live. He's moving in with a woman, insists there is nothing going on but I'm not so sure (please be gentle when you tell me he's definitely been sleeping with her). He's known her for years, I went to school with her but haven't kept in touch, lots of mutual friends though.

Why why why couldn't it be a faceless stranger?

I'm feeling numb and nauseous.

What's more he's coming back tonight, instead of tomorrow. I don't want him anywhere near me.

honey86 · 05/06/2013 18:12

i totally agree about the fathers day thing.
im not getting anything for the following reasons:

~ he believes mothers day is aload of crap and dont think women deserve to be rewarded for being a mum. so by his theory, the same would apply to fathers right? Hmm

~ baby isnt born yet anyway.

~ the last i heard from him, he said he had been 'informed' not to have contact with me except if he needs to tell me see you in court or to intimidate meHmm therefore im unable to contact him.

~ hes not a good dad. he has
been going on for the past 2 years about taking his ex to court to get contact with his 1st child. once he had the money to apply for the court order. he spent it on a boozy night out instead. fw fw fw!!!!!

~

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/06/2013 18:28

very Flowers and hugs. God, I agree, that sucks, especially that it's someone you know. Just get through this and things will start getting better.

verygentlydoesit · 05/06/2013 19:02

I'm not sure quite what to do with myself.

He will be back here in a bit,

Managing to feel angry as well as gutted.

I don't think I want him to know I'm upset, is that a good thing?

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/06/2013 19:20

very protect your feelings if it makes you feel safer. I know sometimes it helped me. I imagine your feelings will be conflicted for some time - I know mine still are sometimes, although it's getting better.

WinnieFosterTether · 05/06/2013 20:09

very Sad that must be a shock. He might be doing it to cause you maximum upset so for that reason I would try not to let him see you're upset/angry. However, I have issues around not being able to express anger so I'm not the best person to offer advice Blush

heg yy to cognitive dissonance. I tried pointing out to nsdh that saying he hated a messy house as he dropped his clothes, towel, banana peel at his feet may imply a disconnect between his feelings and his reality. He just looked Confused

Also yy to the stuff about presents. I've spent fortunes on presents that nsdh has turned his nose up at, or just never used.

It's been a rubbish day here. ds had a massive tantrum. Then later nsdh had a massive tantrum too, shouting and throwing stuff (thankfully ds wasn't there by then). nsdh did apologise almost immediately and even did some housework later but I feel worn out with managing bad behaviour and just feel like such a rubbish wife and mum. I know I'm just feeling sorry for myself so I'm going to watch some trashy tv and call dm to cheer myself up.

I found a penny tonight so I'm also 'virtually' sharing it with you all to pass on the good luck.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 05/06/2013 20:26

very - definitely don't let on that you're upset to him. Vent only where it's safe to do so, where you will be supported. So sorry it's someone you know. It is harder when it's not a faceless stranger. When is he going? If he dawdles, give him a date to be out by!

may imply a disconnect between his feelings and his reality Beautifully expressed! :o

Oh great, if finding a penny is good luck, I should be in for a windfall - had an old appliance removed yesterday and there was 85p in small change behind it! :o

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 05/06/2013 20:26
ponygirlcurtis · 05/06/2013 21:32

Nini I am willing the time to pass for you so you can get out of this awful, awful relationship. You are right. It's dead. It's way past the point of being salvageable. All you can do now is whatever you need to do in order to keep yourself sane and safe, biding your time until you go. Try and detach more - who cares if FW has got his opinion backed by all his horrible friends? I got a poem off here about six months ago, the first line is 'Make being disapproved of your hobby'.

very that goes for you too! Detach, detach, detach. Fake it if you have to. Even if you are feeling hurt, don't let on.

tether Sad I think you should keep your penny for yourself, you need the luck.

bountyicecream · 05/06/2013 21:32

nini life is sounding tough. I can't help smiling at the Jelly Babies "little men for a little man" present. Are you any nearer to leaving your FW? Is there any practical support we can give

very that has to hurt. He will never admit to anything you know. Colin's FW didn't even when she saw him with a new girl and my FW is still trying to convince me that texting 'night night x' and receiving 'happy birthday darling man' is entirely innocent and normal behaviour between 2 friends. I agree do not show your hurt. It will not achieve anything. Just look after yourself and the DC and start planning your FW free new life easier said than done I know And feeling angry is normal

winnie :( for your bad day. Tantruming FWs are very similar to tantruming DCs and both are exhausting. I know that "I'm a crap mother" feeling. It is easy to feel esp when our self esteem isn't all that great :(

charlotte your post made me laugh. I thought you were going to write that you'd had an appliance taken away and been given £££ for it. So the 85p in loose change made me snort!! will still have my share of the good luck though

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 05/06/2013 22:01

Something I found helpful when EH and I were still together, and I was dealing with the ongoing pressure, was finding things to act as a touchstone or reminder to me. Things that kept me going just by seeing it or remembering.

Things like a phrase or poem, a song (Billy Joel's Moving Out was a particular favourite to hum quietly or even in my head), a little "in-joke" that I could laugh at to myself (because when dealing with stress sometimes humour can pull you up a bit), or even little teeny rebellions.

Nini maybe you can put the jelly babies in a nice little decorative glass jar so it's displayed somewhere prominent. A little "in-joke" (the small men for a small man) as well as a rebellion ("I know what you are - this will remind me what I'm working for - to be free of this") you can see.

It might not be for everyone, but it did help me. Just thought I would mention it.

ponygirlcurtis · 05/06/2013 22:05

Alice I'm all for tiny rebellions! I love your idea about singing a particular song in your head, or even out loud.
Not FW-related, but when I was having a rubbish time at work years ago (was getting bullied, so still FW-related after all perhaps), when I got in the lift I'd stick my nail under the floor numbers and try and snap bits off them! I did manage to get a few bits off, and it was amazing how naughty but 'two fingers up to you all' it made me feel!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 22:07

Hi Curtis and bounty Smile. Ashamed to say I am no closer to leaving, although I am making baby steps with getting the house towards a reasonable state for selling. I'm aware that my December deadline (when the fixed rate mortgage ends) is drawing ever closer and I need to act soon. I discovered the other day that a local solicitor offers a free session at work so plucking up the courage to make an appointment.

Big hugs to very and Winnie aswell - here's hoping all this loose change will bring us all some good luck!

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 22:11

Love the in-joke idea Alice - I play my 'anthem' daily on my mp3 player on the way to and from work and sing along, thinking of him. It helps. Anyone remember biscuitgate? Grin When I got so fed up of FW leaving crumbs all over the place I gathered all the crumbs up and put them in his shoes. He never did notice but it made me feel good! Grin

ponygirlcurtis · 05/06/2013 22:14

I remember that Nini!!!!! Grin That was last summer, wasn't it? Seems like another life ago anyway. You are closer - you have made a firm decision on it, I think, and that's a big step in itself. Take other steps as you are ready.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 05/06/2013 22:14

Oh and Curtis, totally get you about revenge at work - when I left my old place where I was being terribly bullied I walked out with two bags worth of stationery Grin Sometimes it's the little things!

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