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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships:22

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foolonthehill · 23/05/2013 18:05

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BreatheandFlyAway · 31/05/2013 00:23

G'night, sleep tight, don't let the fws bite!

thatsnotmynamereally · 31/05/2013 08:04

Noregrets please don't minimize about the petrol incident even though it was long ago and wasn't really petrol, I think the Shock reaction you've got on here says it all... I think it is heartbreaking that the girls still get upset about that incident, make sure the police know about it.

FFF I feel your pain! My H is so similar... I've said on here many times that I almost wish he would hit me/have an affair/ etc so there would be a specific incident to point at, but there doesn't need to be. But it is so hard to decipher when there is no specific reason to leave.

That's why I am almost egging H on with our house sale/move, while I clearly don't want to move into his chosen house, I'm going along with the scenario, pretending to be sitting on the fence about the whole thing... stupid game playing but it's keeping the peace for now.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 09:02

Feeling a bit out of sorts today - teary here and there and tired. I knew it was coming - I've been running on adrenaline (and coffee) all week. But I'm carrying through cleaning and reorganising.

pegwin · 31/05/2013 09:54

Alice Thanks

ColinCaterpillar · 31/05/2013 10:20

Hugs Alice...it will pass and it's an essential stage to reach. Part of being human and not a sociopath.

Been doing lots of thinking, I was bewildered as to how he could just leave my life as he has without a second glance. Have realised that wasn't actually part of the plan, he was planning to have his cake and eat it and I've spoiled that by catching him and maybe that's why he's so cross, and also that I have had the nerve not to lay down and die. Maybe over thinking things.

Beautiful day here. Hope there's not too much weekend dread.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 10:39

Colin You're most likely correct in that realisation. Good to know you can catch him on the hop, though.

Yeah, DCs watching Toy Story 2, and when that blasted cowgirl song "when somebody loves you" came on, it was weep weep weep. Damn movie. Angry Sad

Part of the package. This too shall pass.

ColinCaterpillar · 31/05/2013 10:58

Well here is a song that made me feel better. 'Shake it off' - Florence & the Machine. 'And it's hard to dance with a devil on your back
So shake him off'. SO TRUE.

Funnyfishface · 31/05/2013 11:14

M people - I'm moving on up I'm moving on out time to move on. Nothing can stop me................. Except my own doubts and insecurities !!!!

pegwin · 31/05/2013 11:44

fff doesnt quite scan Grin

Colin yy that was exactly re plan. and if you think there have been several backwards glances. he keeps checking to see if you are still dangling. (only now it is you who have him dangling by the slimmest of threads and you are not reeling him in so well done)

you know you always say you would take him back but when push comes to shove you are very strong and are not getting sucked into his game. and that us what it is a nasty game of cat and mouse. where he toys with you and new gf. bet he is already working on her insecurity by making her think you would have him back if she does not toe the line (just realised FW did that to me early on in our r/s he made a big teary show of telling me his ex had been back asking him for no strings sex and how i meant too much etc. may have bn calculated may not)

but Colin you have him sussed Smile
have noticed you fixate quite a lot on him and new gf and I was worrying for you as it must be painful but i think that might be part of the process and a part of your mind is forcing you to stare at that reality to keep you away from him. like you say he has been caught. and you are wisely not offering him even cake crumbs.

FairyFi · 31/05/2013 11:45

Flowers Alice

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 14:05

I'm going to have to do something later. I'm not very happy about it, and I'm dreading it, but it will either be good or bad. There'll be wine if it's good, and squash if it's bad. Fingers crossed. Hmm

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 31/05/2013 14:27

Good luck with the unwanted job, Alice!

Colin, agree totally with peg that you are being strong. Also interested in what peg said about the importance of thinking it through, your mind forcing you to deal with it. I've been happily pottering in the garden this morning, thinking whatever came to mind. First half just thinking about weeds and ugly patios tbh, but then I started thinking through the sil situation of last week. Tried to avoid the thoughts as didn't want to become bitter, but then realised there was still processing to be done and I've got a good space to do it in in these few quiet days.

noregrets - there are such things as laundrettes, has your FW heard of them? Is it worth getting legal advice? If he has moved out and so has a different place of residence, he might not have the right to enter when he pleases. After all, I own a house, but I don't have the right to go knock on the door and disturb the tenants living in it whenever I choose (and certainly not to let myself in and root through their stuff!). Are you going to call 101? The threats with the petrol can were scarily fucked-up. Sorry, hope I'm not putting pressure on you. x

ColinCaterpillar · 31/05/2013 14:33

Yes I do fixate on the gf (and not the abuse). It's not great but I suppose that helps me ignore him. Because I don't want him to be able to have concrete evidence that I am interested anymore I suppose.

Yes charlotte I think processing everything is important, funny where our minds wander.

I've had more contact again so having to have a game of bingo to distract me and help me remain strong.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 14:39

Hooray! Wine tonight! I will just put it down to stress. The words "it ain't over til the fat lady sings" shall not be uttered. Grin (I know, I know.. I have a second one for in a few days just in case)

pegwin · 31/05/2013 15:58

Alice i am glad you got the outcome you wanted. phew !

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 31/05/2013 16:03

Alice - hooray for today! And deal with a few days' time when it comes...

Funnyfishface · 31/05/2013 16:08

Really bad anxiety today for some reason. Have felt really dizzy and tired.
Have forced myself to go out for coffee for a few hours.
When I close my eyes I feel myself spinning. Arghhhhhh not nice.

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 16:18

Hope you're okay Funnyfishface

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 31/05/2013 18:52

Slight wobble today. It's weird. I'm still relieved that there's no more EA, and the house is more relaxed and peaceful. I don't feel like I'm walking on eggshells anymore, and the DCs seem a bit calmer as well.

However, much as it is less stressful, I do miss the companionship of having H here - the way he was when he was nice. But at the same time, I've gotten so much done that normally I just wouldn't have.

There's a small piece of me that is irritated as he basically gets to play daddy a small part of the week, and I'm dealing with it all the time. And I wonder if he has just gotten what he wanted - no responsibilities, really. Confused

Overthinking? Probably. Processing how I feel? Most likely. Still feel a bit wobbly today.

Hope everyone else is doing alright.

pegwin · 31/05/2013 19:18

Alice know what you mean. my ex's 'punishment' for being a twunt, he is free and single to see whomever he wants whenever he wants, sees his kids for a few hours a week and glory hunting like sports day and parents night while i do the graft.

and yet he is still whining about having to pay to heat his house and how he cannot afford shoes.

no fair. pretty sure he barely misses the kids Hmm

pegwin · 31/05/2013 19:23

I am enjoying Lundy btw. someone said it should be on ghetto curriculum at school.

been thinking about that. i know they have started to do more on respect in relationships but do they teach anything about DA, EA and boundaries are school. if not they should. wondering if it is worth campaigning for?
because changing societies attitudes to it would do more than trying to change the FWs.

at my school we had a bloke total anxious utter FW

pegwin · 31/05/2013 19:27

grr phone ...
total and utter FW come in plank the bible down front of us and say this is god's manual for life. it says it is a wonan's role to let a man make decisions for her so that is what you should do. Shock WTAF!?!

total abdication from moral responsibility from 52 % of the population. genius.

we also got 'girls, boys only want one thing it is your job to make sure they don't get it (and by implication your fault if they do)

pegwin · 31/05/2013 19:31

there was never any boys it is your responsibility to respect women, to treat them as actual real people who are your equals and also to actively oppose any if your peers who try to treat anyone badly.
oh and no means no means no.

none of that.

which deepresses me for both men and women. poor silly women who cannot think for themselves and randy men that there is no point even asking to restrain themselves because they just cannot help it. AngryHmm

and i did not even go to school in the Victorian era. ignore just fucking felt like it. [ hmm]

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 31/05/2013 21:02

peg ShockShockShock

The Home Office released some pretty hard-hitting last year about teenage DV - I thought when I saw them they could be used to start classroom discussion, but I don't know if that was the intention behind making them!

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