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Support for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships:22

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foolonthehill · 23/05/2013 18:05

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
bountyicecream · 29/05/2013 21:19

x-post - actually I agree with lemon and alice. I bet DD3 will be happy enough with the others and you would benefit a lot from the free time. This is the same DD that your FW spent all night with the other night isn't it? So presumably that gives you peace of mind that he can and will settle her if she gets upset.

pegwin · 29/05/2013 21:27

i second all of the above. in fact if she doesn't go, she may well feel left out. maybe talk to her about all the fun they will have nd hoe she will bring able to tell you all about it she gets back?

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 29/05/2013 21:30

Wow. You're right, bounty, I have a fantastic group of friends here... and it never even occurred to me that I could do what Lemon suggested. It feels like putting me needs above my dc's - but actually I can see that for their sake I need this time to recharge.

Suddenly feel a whole lot better! Felt like the one thing I'd ever looked forward to was being taken away and how would I ever know who I really am? Thanks everyone; I'm going to mull it over, but it sounds sensible advice.

BreatheandFlyAway · 29/05/2013 22:38

Charlotte lovely lady you have every right and need to recharge, as others have said. Your dd will be fine once she's off with her dad and siblings. Then you can have that all-important time to yourself. I've had times when I've said aloud to myself, "Alone at last!" Grin Blush Luckily I didn't answer or I would then know I was truly bonkers! We need that healing time to ourselves - any parent does and a thousand times more if we're carrying everyone else's worlds on our shoulders and having our souls sucked our by our dementors fws.

FairyFi · 29/05/2013 23:05

lots of love and friendship vibes Charlotte - I do think its all part of the FWittery... there's quite a move back to 'us' when a decision like this is made and it brings up exactly the stuff you have mentioned. Offering [chocs] Wine & plenty cheery Flowers and some (((hugs))) xxx

this: I feel guilty that I couldn't put up with his behaviour any more Sad I wonder how much guilt he felt about his behaviour Lemon

On my planet, I've lost the plot and don't know what I'm doing any more! Still haven't made it to the docs and now the docs writing to get me in there, tried phoning today, but no appts. Each task to do seems more and more undoable! (such a word?).

BreatheandFlyAway · 29/05/2013 23:15

handholding, fi. One step at a time, lovey. Does your doc have the facility if you ring early, they give you an emergency appt?

FairyFi · 29/05/2013 23:25

the receptionist wouldn't give me one today (ooer mrs), I am to call tomorrow again to try to secure another one as an emergency, so yes... thanks Breathe no guarantee and then they on hol.

butterflymeadow · 29/05/2013 23:28

fi, it sounds like a perfectly natural reaction to stress and having too much to do/worry about. I agree with breathe, phone first thing and see what you can get. Otherwise, how are you with lists? When I get anxious, I literally feel like my mind is leaving my head, so I write down the next three things I need to do so I have something to focus on. Even small things, so you get to cross them off and see that you are doing things!

Funnyfishface · 29/05/2013 23:39

Update from me.

I posted yesterday that I had written in my diary that there were only 2 occasions this last month when h was really nasty. Well make it 3!
He has been out drinking tonight with his pals. Regular weekly thing he does. I actually enjoy the time on my own. He came home about 10 and fell asleep on the sofa 20 minutes later snoring so loudly I couldn't hear the tv. So I woke him and asked him to go to bed.
Normally I sneak up on my own so I can avoid the drunken sex which lasts forever!!
Anyway he shouts 'don't tell me what to do, I'm not going to bed blah blah'
He eventually stormed up sulking and sighing.
Selfish fw !!

FairyFi · 30/05/2013 00:12

Butterfly thanks.. yes I'm good with lists, as in I have my lists that I like to ignore its terrible isn't it! Just focusing on trying to get some things doen from it each day. Whats the brain freeze all about huh? So pleased each time something done, but to do it is a mountain!

euurrrgghhh! FFF for the drunken never ending sex, I used to feel like a used rag by the end of it, if it ended, the faceless fuck, basically.
Well noted [the incidents]

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/05/2013 00:19

Fi baby steps are the way to go. It's not surprising you are feeling daunted, with all you have on your plate. xxx

FFF eurghh from here too, I remember it all too well, lying there, thinking "hurry up and get it over with, for fuck's sake" Grin [but more grim than grin, I know Sad ]

SnoopyLovesYou · 30/05/2013 00:43

Is anyone still up? Feeling extremely fragile & may snap! Going through some pretty shocking memories... I had no idea I was being emotionally/ verbally abused until I read this the other night. Can someone please tell me how to get to sleep? Can't bear another day having had no sleep and tomorrow is a busy one!

SnoopyLovesYou · 30/05/2013 00:50

A bit of background info. Well my ex isn't from here. He's from Scotland. Living here in North of England though. We broke up a year and half ago. Now going through court as he wants shared residency. The hearing is coming up soon and I am really anxious! Worried that he will be awarded joint residency as I don't feel that the children are safe with him for various reasons but honestly everything seems to be going in his favour! It's horrible. So much emotional & verbal abuse including violent threats but all discreet. Everyone thinks he is a-mazing. Please someone put my mind at rest so I can just sleep.

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/05/2013 00:57

Snoopy it's very hard to sleep when your mind's whirling, as I know from my own experience... try having a warm drink and relocating with your duvet to the sofa, put telly on something mind numbing and let yourself drift off watching tv - that works for me in extreme insomnia situations sometimes.

WRT residency - I am sure you are already doing this, but make notes of all potentially abusive comments, behaviours - it all adds up and can seem shocking on the page. But maybe not tonight when you need to sleep?

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/05/2013 01:00

I'm just off to bed now myself (will probably end up staring at ceiling too!) but good luck and keep posting; lots of experience and communal wisdom on here to help and give guidance.

FairyFi · 30/05/2013 01:05

anything that sooothes... anything hun... .curling up with a good book, having a long hot soak in bath with relaxing scents, cuddling pillows! whatever works for you. I am desperate for sleep now, so have to go but welcome snoopy and I really hopeyou get some rest tonight. Just know that it won't go away, it will still be there in the morning to go through, but you'll be far more energised and ready to face it? If that helps.. brain not working so good but just wanted to let you know someone wanted to support xxxx

SnoopyLovesYou · 30/05/2013 01:07

Thanks breathe I have had some hot chocolate. Will go back to bed and try to sleep now. Night!

verygentlydoesit · 30/05/2013 01:18

I need to thank you all for welcoming me onto your thread today, and for all your kind comments and encouragement. You lovely ladies have got me through a horrible day- thank you.

It is a bit tricky to comment on everything, so many new names and I'm on my phone so I can't scroll back......

fairy I made the guilty comment at done point I think. You are absolutely right in suggesting that I feel a damn sight more guilty about not bring able to put up with the fuckwittery than P does at actually doing it. How messed up is that?!

charlotte I completely agree with those saying you need and deserve those days to yourself. I think it's fine to be firm with DD about going with your other DC (although I am new here, so don't know the backstory) She will benefit in the long run by having a recharged mummy welcoming her home with a huge hug.

snoopy I'm sorry you are having such a tricky time. It's frowned upon by sleep experts but I often put the TV, iplayer or radio on to distract myself as I'm going to sleep. I really hope you have drifted off by now.

honey86 · 30/05/2013 03:14

hey

i finally ended my toxic relationship the other week. ex got nasty threatened court, called social services with fake reports.. is very close to an injunction.

havent heard from him since last week when he turned up at my midwife appt intimidating me.

laying awake still, feeling fragile. i recall all the nasty things hes said and done to hurt me, all his fake reports etc and wonder how these ppl get away with this? how do ppl who i thought were good friends believe such a toerag even when two of his exes both mothers to his kids, both say the same things about his behaviour? in the same circumstances? surely it must ring some sort of alarm bells? Confused
and i still have to deal with ppl ramming 'families need fathers, fathers rights, not fair to bring up a child without a dad' crap down my neck. so its fair to bring a baby around an abusive dad with mental health issues he wont sort? is it fair to put my other kids through that too? no.
but it still hurts that i dont have that other half to share good times with. ppl seem to think im enjoying this. i swore after dp died few years back id never bring up another child alone.

but i have no choice, ive been thinking about it over n over whats best purely for the kids and i come to the same conclusion. that theyll have a more stable settled upbringing with one stable happy parent as opposed to an abusive dad and a miserable mum. i know that as i was that child who grew up amongst a similar stepdad and dv. it ruined my childhood. but knowing how my dcs would love to have their dad back, i havent taken this decision lightly.

sigh why cant ppl understand Sad feel so sad Sad

Ifeelsuchafool · 30/05/2013 06:56

Hi, can I join please? (Name changed as I feel pretty damn stupid atm)

Still being manipulated by EXFW (hope I've got the terminology right) some 2+ years after decree absolute! Why do I keep believing the lies?

Part of the problem is failure to get job and so still dependant on him for maintenance, which he has just informed me by very stark email will be slashed by half at the end of August and he will no longer guarantee any rent for me so I have to find somewhere to rent that I can afford with no credit rating, no guarantor and no job! Easy peasy, not! He's so sorry to land me with this just as DD2 is about to take her A2s (Just as he was sorry to walk out the week before other DC taking public exams, yeah right!)

DC finally beginning to appreciate for themselves just what a FW ex is, but still studying so need his financial support as I'm not working. Especially DS who is at music college and doing very well indeed but desperately needing new instrument as totally outplaying the one he has and member of some very good chamber groups the other members of which have far superior instruments so his is not, "blending" well! :( Ex actually put in email DS's need for instrument as reason for withdrawing level of support so DS now in tears thinking it's all, "his fault".

Truth is EX likes to live the high life, always has done, thinks he, "deserves" a certain standard of living. He's always earned good money but can't keep it in his pocket for five minutes. Got fired from a job for fiddling too much company money on expenses, fought it in court lost a hell of a lot of money as a result and has been, "fiddling" one way or another since. Owes money left right and centre yet still takes the new, "love of his life" away at every possible opportunity to Spain, America, Norway etc. and is constantly out to dinner and jaunting here, there and everywhere while we live without heating and buy, "value" everything!

Sorry, this is turning into a rant and I didn't mean it too. Can I join, nonetheless, please?

thatsnotmynamereally · 30/05/2013 07:48

Ifeelsuchafool no advice really but just wanted to sympathise, my DD is also just about to start her A2's and it's so important to try and maintain a calm atmosphere.. your exH sounds unbelievably selfish. And it sounds like you are better off without him, the kids will see through his manipulations. Your DS is doing great, exH should be proud and supportive, not making him feel guilty. It is just so unnecessary!

Commiserations/sympathy to everyone else who's having a hard time right now! I've been reading 'Why Does He Do That' this morning and reading about how society subtly supports abuse... and in my own mind I still wonder if my situation is abuse! as I 'should' be strong enough to tell him off for acting like a d*ckhead...

Sorry but I need to unload.

Yesterday: he called me over to look at some pics of his dream house on the internet then shouted at me for breathing too loudly (I promise you I am not a repulsive person just to clarify Hmm) ... he would not let it go and I asked him later when he was in a calm mood about it again, and he once again said that I had been breathing wrong, 'demonstrated' how I'd been breathing, and said that I should learn to breath like a NORMAL person (wtf??).

AND. I informed him (danger!) that I was meeting up with some friends for lunch, at someone's house (I do not have too many friends!) two weeks away on Saturday. He went ballistic and said:
--that he'd planned something that day (he hadn't, he said it was the day of a boat show that I don't even want to go to but turns out it wasn't on that day)
-- that weekends should be reserved for him/family activities (wtf?? we spend all hours together now as he hasn't got much work and won't do anything on his own)
-- that my friends were stupid and lazy ( he doesn't know them, it is a group of women who socialize without their husbands in tow and he hates that he isn't invited, none of the other husbands mind one bit)
-- that my friend lived in a bad part of London and how was I going to get there, as he would be taking the car ('my' car, we have two but I don't drive his )
-- he said I should have asked and given him time to consider before accepting the invitation... he's done this before and kept me hanging on until the last minute, my friend just wants to know who can/cannot come! I know it's a control thing for him... I did go out with them for dinner a few months ago, all was OK for about an hour then I got a barrage of text messages... Sad

Is this man mentally unwell... or just abusive?!! I am really worried about standing up to him! and it's imminent, I set DD's exams as my target date to begin my exit strategy...

AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 30/05/2013 08:19

thatsnotmynamereally yes, he does sound very controlling and abusive. It doesn't really matter whether it's because he is mentally unwell or not. As far as standing up to him, I think it mostly depends on how unsafe it will make you - will he react physically? The most important thing until you can leave is to keep yourself and the children safe.

Ifeel Welcome. Please don't feel stupid - like with most of us, I imagine this behaviour crept up on you and as time went on, you began to see it as "normal" behaviour. You've now reached the point where you know it is not. Feel free to rant - we've all done it and we all need it from time to time.

honey86 Have you spoken to your midwife about this? If your midwife appointment was at the surgery, they shouldn't be letting him into the room if you don't expressly allow it. In fact, technically they shouldn't be even acknowledging that you're present or in an appointment to ANYONE, including partners/spouses, unless they have confirmed it is okay with you first. That's how it works at our local surgery. It's a breach of confidentiality. Next time you go to your midwife appointment, you can tell reception and the midwife that you do NOT want him to know you are there and you do NOT want him in the room with you during the appointment. Make it very clear to them that if they give him ANY information about you or your pregnancy or allow him into the appointment room, that you will consider it a breach of confidentiality. If he kicks off, they'll ring police for disturbing the peace.

FairyFi · 30/05/2013 09:06

am bit weary and have to move fast as someone coming... but wanted to say to Ifeel in your vulnerable situation, to contact CSA to ensure that the financial threatening stops, assuming that is, that his job income is sufficient to properly support, as you are already living off 'value' products, whilst he's swanning his way round the world and fucking off DCs wants/needs to better, consigning them to far less than he has.

FairyFi · 30/05/2013 10:05

Was lovely to have kind words last night before sleep... thank you lovelies xxx

Funnyfishface · 30/05/2013 10:28

Good morning ladies.

Snoopy- hope you managed some sleep. Insomnia sucks.

Ifeel- welcome and sorry you are struggling.

Honey - well done for being so brave. Xx

Fairy- hope you get your doctors app today. I would insist on seeing someone. Xx good luck

It's so nice having support on here but I feel sorry that we are all in this predicament. Hand holding and hugs all round