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Marriage ended after 27 years. This is "My Death".

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mrsmciver · 12/05/2013 12:43

My husband left 4 weeks ago after I found some dubious e-mails to another woman he works with. I have posted about this on another thread, but still need the support from all you lovely ladies out there.
I asked him to go to his mum's after I went mad screaming and shouting and both of us crying. He went to his mum's, then round to my parents explaining himself and accepting all the blame.
I still let him in the house later that night and we both sat talking and crying about how we would get over this, then he collected some things and went back to his mothers.
I phoned him the next morning demanding the ow mob number but he would not give it to me as he said i would jeapardise his job if she went to his boss. We were both still crying and he asked what to get for his breakfast as his mum only has fried food and he likes to keep fit and eat well so he went to shop to buy that and washing powder for his clothes.
He also came up later that afternoon and we both talked some more. He said he had been very flattered by the attentions of this high powered business woman and had got carried away, swore there was nothing physical.
He told me he would give me her mob number once I had calmed down and to be careful what to say to her as it would cost him his job. he said he would give it to me the next morning whilst on the train as he was away for a few days on a business meeting.
Next morning he phoned and gave me her number, I put it in the drawer as after all the trauma I could not face calling her, was in no state to do so. later that evening after another sleepless night, he phoned sounding like his normal self, and I told him I had not contacted her, but he probably knew that as she would have phoned him if I had.
I then asked him when he was coming home and he said he wasn't. he said it was so out of character for him to do that and that the blinkers had been taken off his eyes and that he must have been very unhappy to have done it in the first place.
I got very upset, begged him to come home, but he won't. He is staying at his mum's. I ended up in hospital after trying to end it all. Can't imagine life without him. And now he wants to settle all our financial affairs and divorce. Am distraught. We have two daughters, one is sitting her Higher exams right now and the other is expecting a baby. They have been so wonderful, they are so strong, told me I am better without him. He had been treating me badly weeks before and I knew something was "off", that was why I had looked at his phone.
He has said he can't forgive me for looking at his phone and have now destroyed all trust. And that I would make his life hell as I would now be paranoid and forever questioning what he is doing.
He says he has no energy left, nothing to give, and that my health problems have drained him. I have anxiety and stress. But it is not as if he was a carer, I did most things for him! He doesn't know what he wants, but he knows he does not want "this.
I am devastated, cannot do this anymore. Have been a mess, shaking stuttering, he was over Frid night and said he is never coming back and that we will be divorcing.
How do I do this? How can I live without him? We have been married for 27 years, ever since we were 15 years old.
I always had a feeling I would die early, in my forties, and this is it, this is "my death", I will never get over this. It is getting worse.

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comingintomyown · 16/05/2013 17:03

I have sued for adultery without naming OW and neither of them "admitted" anything XH just didnt contest the divorce

I wouldnt worry too much about the actual divorce this early on just focus on keeping as well as you can

One thing I remember a fellow heartbroken friend saying was these men arent gods they are just ordinary men and shouldnt be put on a pedestal as irreplacable.

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badinage · 16/05/2013 17:04

Your sol will be able to advise about the e mails, but I doubt you'd need them anyway as you've got enough to go on to be granted a divorce. Best to keep the costs as low as poss and avoid unnecessary work on your behalf.

Have you filed for divorce yet and what does your sol think you'll get in the way of a settlement?

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mrsmciver · 16/05/2013 17:10

Badinage, it makes me feel better knowing she looks like she does! Friends who have facebooked her have said she does not have a candle to hold against me!(well, they are my pals!)
I think i am fairly attractive, lots of times I have been told I am really pretty. Mind you, these last few weeks I have aged 10 years!
Not looking my best at the moment I must say.
It would also have been about the power, and what jobs she could help get for him to further him along his career. He even told me that! He is quite ruthless.

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mrsmciver · 16/05/2013 17:20

Make no mistake, he will trample on other people's toes to get what he wants.
There is no way a career woman would put up with him long term. He likes to be pandered to and get his own way all the time. He told me that he was the one who always had to say sorry as well! And that he is "broken " too. Not broken enough that he can't hold down a job and function normally!

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badinage · 16/05/2013 17:38

If a 'career woman' wouldn't put up with him long term, why the devil did you then?

Honestly love, I get that you feel better about being better looking than the OW and in general I can't stand the sanctimoniousness on threads when a woman is berated for feeling anger towards an OW - but there is something inherently daft about feeling like it's a competition between two women for what is actually an excruciatingly dull, drippy bloke Wink

So being obviously much more objective than you can be, from my standpoint I feel just as much frustration with a woman who's got so much going for her wasting her time on your wanker of a husband, as I feel frustration that you think you had to 'put up' with this bloke just because you were dependent on him.

Neither of you should be bothering with wankstains like your ex, if truth be told.

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mrsmciver · 16/05/2013 20:43

Whoa badinage, think that is way uncalled for. If I am feeling a bit of satisfaction at the other woman looking like a munter, then too right I am! At the moment am feeling broken and down so I came on here for some support not to be put down like that! Way out of order, have you never heard about not kicking someone when they are down?
And I certainly do not feel like it is a competition, far from it.

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badinage · 16/05/2013 20:56

I'm not kicking you love. I'm kicking your exH and pointing out that if the OW is in your eyes worth more than having to put up with this bloke long term, so too are YOU worth more than that. You're diminshing yourself when you say that there's 'no way a career woman would put up with him'.

You didn't and don't have to put up with him either. If she's daft enough to, that's her own look-out eh?

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PiratePanda · 16/05/2013 21:04

You know what? I can say this now, having been there and come out the other side: you will be OK. Truly you will. Better than OK. And you'll wake up one day and think -- wow! I never imagined life could be this damn good.

And you're only 46! 46 is the new 30! You've probably got another 46 years ahead if you and I bet you're still gorgeous! It's not the end. It's a new beginning.

BUT: it will take a long time, and it will be hard. Find love and support in your girls and your family; they will want to be there for you - don't think you have to be the strong one. It took me 2 whole years to feel vaguely normal and 4 to feel great. But it does get better.

And have a BIG HUG Flowers

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mrsmciver · 16/05/2013 21:08

Ok badinage, I was just really meaning that he certainly would never be pandered to as much because ow would not have the time. And yes, he and my children were the be all and end all of everything. I know I relied on him so much but that was because I cannot work.
Rose tinted glasses I suppose. Never thought in a million years he would do this to us. How stupid have I been?
Saw a counsellor today, some things I could talk about, others I couldn't, too painful. I have been a very foolish woman to rely on him so much for so long, but I did look after him too, he even said I had been a good wife and mother and did not deserve this. But he still did it.
On the bright side, my lovely friend sent through a beautiful journal in the post with a card attached saying"to write your new memories in".
Had a weep at that.

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mrsmciver · 16/05/2013 21:20

Hi Pirate, thank you for that. Am anything but gorgeous right now, look a right mess, hair needing done, not a scrap of make up on me, a right mess, just have no energy. What is the point anymore? I hate for anyone to see me like this, even with my physical limitations I always made the effort, even when in a lot of pain, but now? What for?
Feel like I could lie down and never wake up again. Think there is no reason for anything anymore. Would not be here but I promised my girls.

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LEMisdisappointed · 16/05/2013 21:30

I can only offer an annecdote here - my friends mum and dad split up after 28 years. She was, of course, devestated - there was a OW. She had a horrible time, must have been about your age. It took her a while but she got back on her feet - met someone else after a few false starts, they are still together now and very happy. Ironically, her ex and the OW are now friends.

As for him saying YOU destroyed the trust when you looked at his phone - can he not see how ridiculous that is. Fucking manchild. What exactly was you supposed to look like when you found the emails - what a cunt!

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skyeskyeskye · 16/05/2013 22:05

I divorced my XH for UB stating four counts of inappropriate contact with OW and solicitor put her first name down. That was his decision.

OW and her H and XH didn't like it Grin

MrsM - I waver between good days and bad but on the whole I'm doing OK twelve months on. I still get times of total despair where I cry and say "how could he", but at the same time my life is continuing and I am still here.

My XH's OW is still with her H, still cheating on him afaik. His head is so far up his arse he simply won't believe that his mate would do that to him so they hide in plain sight.

You will get through this, hour by hour, day by day, until you have got through a week, a month, a year.

It won't be easy , but there is no way round it. And your family need you, so you will get through it.

Save your strength for your legal battle, the divorce, the settlement. Make sure that you get what you are entitled to.

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mrsmciver · 17/05/2013 22:41

I have to face the facts, he must have cheated. I kept phoning him this morning demanding to know the truth. He would not admit to it. but he did not deny it either. He said after that in an e-mail that we would talk once our daughter has finished her higher exams and that he could not say anything on the phone because he did not want any witnesses listening in. I have been really stupid. Think that says it all really.

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PenelopePortrait · 17/05/2013 22:49

mrsm please try to keep your dignity, to keep phoning him is not good. Regardless of whether he has cheated or not, he doesn't want to be with you. Please don't demean yourself.

DH's XW did some really pathetic things, I can't stand the woman but shudder at the some of the sad attempts she made. You can't make somebody love you, and surely you wouldn't want him to be with you out of pity? You are better than that.

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MumnGran · 18/05/2013 07:21

Dearest Mrs M

its a while since I answered, but wanted to agree with Penelope and say that it is really important that you now begin to 'choose' how you act and react.

I am not being heartless in any way, but you need to go hunt for your dignity and wrap it around you. That's not easy and it is going to be nothing more than a facade for a while, but it is so important for you and will become a substitute spine that gets you through. We have all had to do is use a mask of dignity while "the rest of us" catches up. This is not glib. Any sense of worth I had was already on the floor when I split from my ex, and the discoveries that ended it reduced me nothing - I think most people here will have felt the same - but you start by wearing the facade and little by little it turns into the real thing.

You need to apply the mask for so many reasons .....but mainly because it gives you a strength that you don't really feel. It will also, finally, put him on the back foot for a change. It really doesn't matter 'why' or what the details were, at the moment .....what does matter is that stopping contact and/or refusing to engage in conversations will give you a tiny amount of distance, and that will let you re-group your mental defences (and you really need them, now).

I am sure many of us have revisited our own journeys, step by step, with this thread, so we are not just offering trite 'pull yourself together' views. Now is about the right time to sit yourself down, shake out the initial overwhelming horror, and say "right - the b is not going to see me crawl, or hear me cry, any more".

Some more flowers, because you are being very brave.
Flowers

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MumnGran · 18/05/2013 07:24

......you could start by beginning a continuation thread "this is My Life" Grin

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Joy5 · 18/05/2013 15:04

MrsM
You've got to get through this, the only thing i've left is my dignity and pride, and the knoweledge i've done my best for my two youngest sons.

Thats what you've been doing, carry on, 18 months on after my separation i've just had a bad few weeks (ex has moved out of his rented house and in with his gf so he doesn't need to worry about our joint bad credit rating) , but i'm telling myself i've managed this far so i can do the rest.

Everyone above is right with their advice, just stick with it, see your ex as little as poss, never if you can, use your energy to deal with the divorce and more importantly the finances and child access. Concentrate on making a new life for yourself. This weekend i've no social things arranged, mainly because my two closest friends, ones ill herself, the other has a parent in intensive care can't see me. Its not doing me any good, been out for lunch with my two youngest sons now they want to do their own thing, so i'm left alone, well be walking the dog for the next two hours, hopefully seeing other dog walkers i can talk too.

Tomorrow my ex has them, its our youngest sons birthday next week, his Dad has refused to see him on the day, so hes out tomorrow. Going for a meal with his gf, neither boy wants her there but their Dad invites her. It will tear my apart to know they will be with another woman, but i won't show that to my sons, its hard enough for them as it is without worrying about me too.
I'll just comfort myself with the thought that its me they'll be with on the actual birthday, thats what they'll remember in the future.

Flowers for you xx

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Lambzig · 18/05/2013 17:22

Mrsmciver, I am so sorry for the terrible time you are having. Your DH doesn't want to take any responsibility for his behaviour, doesn't want to be honest and doesn't want any blame. I know it's very difficult when you just want to know everything, so that you can start getting your head around it, but you do need to withdraw from him.

Refuse to be in contact with him, don't phone him any more. Your dignity is important here because you will be able to look back and know you didn't demean yourself. I cringe at my begging when my exH left me and its fifteen years later.

I am 46 too and have a new phase in my life having just had 2 DC with my new husband. Please don't think your life is over, there are lots of new adventures to look forward to.

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 18:24

hello ladies, thank you for all your lovely words, they do help knowing that you have all been through it and there is light at the end of the tunnel.
I had a lovely day yesterday, had some reiki healing, and do you know, it was really quite therapeutic. Then my sister took me for some lunch, so I had a treat! Had a little walk in the park after that to get some air too, had a little cry too, but only a little cry! Everyone has been so good to me. I was also out with my eldest daughter today to look for paint for baby's room and I was able to help her choose! Now even a few days ago I would not have been capable of that and she would have taken me by the hand as I would have been in a daze.
You are all right. I cannot see him at all, he is not good for me anymore. it will all need to be done by lawyers now. I had an e-mail off him saying after our youngest exams have finished then we would talk,(will be about money again) and I hadn't to upset our youngest as she has enough on her plate! Ehm, really??? And he will be up to do the garden, but no I think I will tell him to not to now. Will just need to live with a jungle out back now.

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Joy5 · 18/05/2013 18:28

Well done mrsmiver, enjoy all the nice things u can, u deserve it, and everyone says there is light at the end of this tunnel, we just have to get there :) Easier said then done, but once we get there, knowing we've done our best for our children, however old they may, with clear consciences, think exs who behave badly may think they have excaped punishment, but i think the guilt of their behaviour will one day catch up with them. xx

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 19:14

Hi Joy! You have really been through the mill, I feel for you with all that you have written about, I just don't understand these men and how they can up and leave like that. If mine had said to me beforehand that their was a problem, but he didn't, he started behaving very badly towards me, that's why I was suspicious.
Did I tell you that he said he was going to sue me because I looked at his phone?? Oh yes? well I can go a lot better than that!! Do you know I want such revenge now. Is that normal? To feel such hatred at points that you think it's going to come up and choke you? My counsellor says all that is perfectly normal and that everything, with all the conflicting emotions is perfectly normal too. That I would go through every emotion possible in one day. That is true. Despair, grief, jealousy, terror, hatred, rage. It can be so overwhelming and sometimes too much to cope with. Will try and keep my dignity ladies, but can never see him again. Think that is the only way now.

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PenelopePortrait · 18/05/2013 19:24

mrsm - "I hadn't to upset our youngest" How thoughtful of him! It's just mind games, don't take him on and try not to respond. Any response from you will be related to others out of context, as in "look what I've got to deal with - poor me".

Another thing which is crucial to remember if you feel your resolve slipping, is that, without a doubt, he will be telling his OW everything you do and say. So if you are begging him and crying etc, just imagine him telling her and what she will say. And by that I mean, she will say what he wants to hear, especially about you.

I mentioned up thread that my DH XW did some seriously humiliating (for her) things, I can't imagine how she must feel now when she thinks of some of those things. She just could not accept that he had left her.

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 19:36

He is only thinking of himself, poor soul that he is. He will not accept the fact that if youngest daughter has resits then he is in any way to blame. He just cannot hear anything negative against himself at all, he keeps trying to justify his actions at all times! And yes I have humiliated myself, too much now, that is why I have to stay away.
Weirdly enough, I actually detest him too. Selfish horrible man. He is not who I thought he was. Sacrificing his children for himself.

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PenelopePortrait · 18/05/2013 20:06

M you are definately getting better! Seeing him for what he is. Good. The fighting spirit is kicking in - see NOT your death at all is it. It's your LIFE Smile

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 20:12

And do you know something ladies? I am scared of nothing now, as long as my daughters are doing well, nothing fears me now. Strange isn't it? Never used to like the dark, but can walk up and down the house in the night without having to switch a light on, if I was asked to wingwalk, not a problem! I feel my worst nightmare has come true, and even though I can only get through a day at a time, cannot look too much into the next, I am still here. Have got to be here for my very lovely strong girls, my marvellous family and friends too.

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