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Marriage ended after 27 years. This is "My Death".

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mrsmciver · 12/05/2013 12:43

My husband left 4 weeks ago after I found some dubious e-mails to another woman he works with. I have posted about this on another thread, but still need the support from all you lovely ladies out there.
I asked him to go to his mum's after I went mad screaming and shouting and both of us crying. He went to his mum's, then round to my parents explaining himself and accepting all the blame.
I still let him in the house later that night and we both sat talking and crying about how we would get over this, then he collected some things and went back to his mothers.
I phoned him the next morning demanding the ow mob number but he would not give it to me as he said i would jeapardise his job if she went to his boss. We were both still crying and he asked what to get for his breakfast as his mum only has fried food and he likes to keep fit and eat well so he went to shop to buy that and washing powder for his clothes.
He also came up later that afternoon and we both talked some more. He said he had been very flattered by the attentions of this high powered business woman and had got carried away, swore there was nothing physical.
He told me he would give me her mob number once I had calmed down and to be careful what to say to her as it would cost him his job. he said he would give it to me the next morning whilst on the train as he was away for a few days on a business meeting.
Next morning he phoned and gave me her number, I put it in the drawer as after all the trauma I could not face calling her, was in no state to do so. later that evening after another sleepless night, he phoned sounding like his normal self, and I told him I had not contacted her, but he probably knew that as she would have phoned him if I had.
I then asked him when he was coming home and he said he wasn't. he said it was so out of character for him to do that and that the blinkers had been taken off his eyes and that he must have been very unhappy to have done it in the first place.
I got very upset, begged him to come home, but he won't. He is staying at his mum's. I ended up in hospital after trying to end it all. Can't imagine life without him. And now he wants to settle all our financial affairs and divorce. Am distraught. We have two daughters, one is sitting her Higher exams right now and the other is expecting a baby. They have been so wonderful, they are so strong, told me I am better without him. He had been treating me badly weeks before and I knew something was "off", that was why I had looked at his phone.
He has said he can't forgive me for looking at his phone and have now destroyed all trust. And that I would make his life hell as I would now be paranoid and forever questioning what he is doing.
He says he has no energy left, nothing to give, and that my health problems have drained him. I have anxiety and stress. But it is not as if he was a carer, I did most things for him! He doesn't know what he wants, but he knows he does not want "this.
I am devastated, cannot do this anymore. Have been a mess, shaking stuttering, he was over Frid night and said he is never coming back and that we will be divorcing.
How do I do this? How can I live without him? We have been married for 27 years, ever since we were 15 years old.
I always had a feeling I would die early, in my forties, and this is it, this is "my death", I will never get over this. It is getting worse.

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 20:16

Penelope, it is such early days and I know I have a long road to go, but many thanks for that. I think it helps me to see him for what he is.

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PenelopePortrait · 18/05/2013 20:18

You are absolutely bloody marvellous. So glad you've found your inner strength, we all knew you would Smile

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MumnGran · 18/05/2013 20:32

Yaaaaaay Mrs M ........ you found your fighting spirit Smile
You will have up days, down days, shitty days and murderous days ....but you will never again feel the way you did when you made your first post.

What a long way you have come.
Stick a post-it note on the fridge which says "today I was awesome" .... and just look at it every now and then.
x

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skyeskyeskye · 18/05/2013 21:01

try and keep that fighting spirit, it will come and go I warn you, so try and hold on to it!

one day at a time, one step at a time, don't think about anything more than you have to.

sue you for looking at his phone Hmm. I discovered my XH flirting on facebook by signing into his account, after I saw a deleted email where he was flirting with OW. My XH is by nature, not a flirt, not a womaniser, so it was all very out of character.

and like your XH, he gave me no chance to fix anything, he just decided it was over and walked. when you have a family, no matter how old your DC are, you owe it to them to talk to your W and try and sort things out if there genuinely is a problem. The fact that they dont try and talk and that they blame everything on the W, just goes to show that there wasnt really a problem, they just need an excuse to be able to walk away.

It shows how weak they are, that they just walk rather than talk and discuss things like grownups. and the women that they go to should really think twice about the prize that they are getting because one day, that will be them that is being walked out on.

Your H is running away from everything, refusing to face up to it, whereas you are meeting it all headon and dealing with it.

Be proud of yourself, let the back garden grow wild I'm sure that there is a shed and an 8" trampoline buried in mine somewhere Grin

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Lambzig · 18/05/2013 21:07

Joining the cheerleading. No more humiliating yourself. You are getting there, its not easy, but it won't ever be as bad as it was when he first left.

Your husband is so desperate not to take the blame for anything, imagine how he is going to feel when he finally has to face what he has done. Ignore, ignore and avoid.

You have a new grandchild and two daughters to look forward to. Focus on that and yourself.

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mrsmciver · 18/05/2013 22:31

"Today I was awesome" Love it, love it! Will stick a post it up saying that!
Will try and keep that fighting spirit, I know I will have many down days, but by god I have got to fight back somehow.After all have had to fight against my health many a time to not let it defeat me and now I have to fight this too.
Actually cleared out all his paperwork tonight with youngest daughter, and all the time she was saying "yay get you mum"!
What the hell has gotten into me? Felt a wee bit odd when I came across my marriage certificate though.

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Joy5 · 18/05/2013 22:52

Well done on finding your fighting spirit, like others have said, it will come and go, so make the most of it. And the more times you get down, the more times you will realise its only temporary and you'll get back up.

You've got the support of your two daughters, and a new baby to look forward too :) make the most of that. One of my sons is dead, i know only too well how precious memories are, make the most of the fantastic relationship you have with them.

As for finding your marriage certificate, you're going to be sad your marriage ended, but you did your best, you'd have worked through any problems if you'd known about them, but you was never given that chance. One good point is, you'll be able to file for divorce if you want too, you need the certificate for that, if you don't your ex will need to buy a replacement to file :)

theres always a silver lining to everything (and having just exchanged financial papers (or some in my ex's case!) hes paid the local registry office for a duplicate certificate) except he took the original when he moved out, but he must have lost it, he was never any good at keeping things tidy, its on his bank statements from just before he filed for divorce last year lol

Hope you 'up' times last :)

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Leavenheath · 19/05/2013 00:19

You might want to look up a series of threads from a poster called Solost. Her threads remind me a bit of your situation. There were about 3-4 of them as I recall and the advice she had was brilliant.

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MumnGran · 19/05/2013 07:58

I can tell you what has gotten into you Mrs M ...... the will to live Smile
and fight back [Grin

You know, whatever modern culture tells us about equal partnerships, when you have been in a marriage for a long time, one partner always emerges as the supporting role. In my experience it is usually the woman, and slowly be surely our sense of self becomes eroded. We lose who we are because we become "the wife". My ex used to say we had a democracy and he had the casting vote! (his idea of democracy was pretty warped, but the sentiment is apt).

So - is it any wonder that when we are suddenly left as a supporting role to an empty chair, we are lost with no sense of direction or fight or ...anything else? if the role modelling has been very strong, then it can be hard to even know what you are supposed to think. It took me literally years to get my ex's voice out of my head when I needed to make a decision. Drove me nuts!!

To be honest, Mrs M, you have pulled it together in a very short space of time. Really! Of course finding the certificate will have upset you. I wept buckets in the solicitors office when I had to swear the affidavit for divorce. But they are just hiccups in the road to coming back to yourself ....the girl who got married 18 years ago. Bright eyed and full of her OWN confidence ..... not dependant on anyone else to tell her that she is OK.

Your daughter sounds amazing, and her pride in you is obvious. Start with that as the springboard into next week!

(and please, please, please start a new thread with a title that reflects where you are now ..... friends here WILL come and join, honest Grin

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 10:06

Yes that is it exactly, I have no sense of purpose now, no direction, do not know what to do now with my life.
I lay in bed this morning with waves of terror and despair washing over me, tried to let it pass a little, tried to control it then got up and made a cup of tea!
How could he do this? I will never understand it. My daughters have said I am never selfish, am always there and would never leave, but he doesn't think like that, he thinks he has left me, but he has left them in a way too because he will be sitting with someone else's children at Xmas, never his own, they will not want much to do with him now.
My eldest daughter thinks he has been rushing things through so that he cannot change his mind as he can't face the humiliation and shame at what he has done, but I don't think that, I think he has made up his mind and wants rid of me as quick as he can so he can now get on with his new life.
I made a proper dinner last night! We were all sitting about afterwards(Iwas mumsnetting) and everyone was watching Dr. Who and my eldest daughters partner was making us laugh and I thought "this is actually quite nice".
Will try and do some housework today(things have gone to pot lately in that direction too), my youngest will be studying for an exam tomorrow, it feels like a long day ahead, but I will try and take control and steady my breathing as I have huge waves of panic that can overpower me.
But I will do it.
All you lovely ladies will never know how much of a support and help you have been to me, I would not be here without all, and I mean all, the support I have had, on mumsnet and in RL too. You have all been through it, and are very wise, it feels a very long road to travel, please keep posting as I need you all spurring me on. xxx

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PenelopePortrait · 19/05/2013 10:25

mrsm you are doing brilliantly but just a word of warning. The people that love you, your friends and DC's will say things that you want to hear. They will do this out of love for you. Your DD saying she thinks he's rushing things and now can't change his mind, is no doubt meant kindly and to soften the blow. Please don't start to believe this and think that there is hope.

Just remember what I said earlier, his OW will be saying things to him that he wants to hear, just as your DC's and family will say things to you that you want to hear.

Yes he has left your DC's, for now, but that relationship can and hopefully will be mended in the future when everyone accepts that people change and move on. Don't use that "he has left them too" as a begging/threatening weapon. You are better than that.

As you say, there are lots of wise words on here from people who have been through it, from all,the differing roles - some are children of parents who have split, some are the partners who have been left, some have done the leaving and some have been the OW. You are being supported by a wealth of experience here and I am always totally amazed at the advice and support of MNetters.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 11:29

Hi Penelope, I think if I had a proper reason as to why he left....
Still not sure if he is now actually with other woman as she has a company, husband and children in England and he has said he is buying a house here, so that his children can stay with him too. There is no chance of that as why would they stay with him when he is living here? The girls were never close to him in the first place! That will not happen. he just seems to be talking rubbish all the time, nothing makes sense.

Have been doing some housework, it feels like wading through deep mud to do even the basic tasks. Feel panicky too. Feel like I am going to have a panic attack. will try to keep focused.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 11:50

Had a little look at the "solost" thread. her husband was still attentive and wanting to talk to her and make sure she was ok. Mine could really not care less whether I live or die. he shows me such contempt and disgust. What did I do to disgust him?
He was like that from the moment he said he was not coming home again. Was it because I found the e-mails and sent him to his mothers? He acts like he hates me. I said to him about a week ago that he could not even look at me and he said "I don't want to look at you".

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Lambzig · 19/05/2013 16:50

I sort of get what your eldest daughter means. He is rushing it through so he doesn't have to think about the enormity of what he has done, I don't think there is hope in that for you, but I think he can't face the guilt. That's why he can't ask after you, or look at you, not because he hates you, he is being a coward about facing it. He wants it done with because admitting what he has done is too hard for him.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 19:41

Have not had too good a day I'm afraid. Have been trying to do some things but i just seem to stop, panic and start wailing like a loon. Sundays and Mondays are bad, seem to think too much about the week ahead. The pain is enormous, takes my breathe away all the time, and I have been having such panic attacks today.
He says he wants to talk next week. he says we need a new garage as he wants me to keep the house for the girls. There is no way I would be capable of putting a new garage in, all the stuff from it would need to be emptied and go in the house, and then he would want to be up to oversee it, no, no, cannot do that, but I also know the bleedin garage will fall down if we get bad snow again!! What do I do? Don't even want to stay in this house, would rather somewhere even smaller, but he wants me to stay here in case pregnant daughter needs to come home. or is he planning to put new garage in and once youngest daughter has finished her last year at school then put me out? Would not put anything past him now.
How do I get through the rest of my life like this? Am starting to have wild thoughts!

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PenelopePortrait · 19/05/2013 20:31

Why are you getting involved in conversations with him about the garage? Or about anything? He's left you and now he's trying to get his own way by manipulation and you are letting him in. It sounds to me like you will let him walk all over you, tie you in knots and then you are having panic attacks.

Stop joining in his game plan and start your own and your first step should be cut off contact, do it through your solicitor. Your DC's are old enough to have their own contact if that's what they want, so you have no reason to speak to him ever again if you don't want to.

Are you hoping that he'll see how devastated and helpless you are and 'come to his senses and come back to you'?

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Joy5 · 19/05/2013 20:41

mrsmicver Sorry you're having a bad day, its not easy is it, you think you're ok then you're back down again, I had panic attacks for such a long time, couldn't think straight about anything, even the most basic of things seemed so complicated, and everything takes twice as long as it used too. All i can say is echo whats been said above, and don't discuss things if you're not up to it, if your ex is in such a rush to do things let him take legal advice about it, that will cost him lots and delay it too, so he can't win either way! You've not much control over anything at the moment, but you do have control over what changes at your home. Sending hugs, i know how hard it is, when your whole world has changed and you can't get used to it, before something else changes too. xxx

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Lambzig · 19/05/2013 21:32

The only thing you have control over is whether you engage in conversation with him or not. The garage for heavens sake! Please, please stop talking to him, it's not helping you.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 21:43

Am not talking to him, he sent an e-mail about the garage. Do not want to talk to him at all. did not reply either.
Penelope, no I do not think for one minute he will come to his senses. I have panic attacks anyway but over the last few days they have got very bad,they can be scary and with my youngest daughter studying I am really trying not to worry her.
Can't cope with this, feel it has got too much for me today.

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MumnGran · 19/05/2013 21:48

Deep breath Mrs M.

Its going to be this way for a while. Periods of feeling strong, see-sawing with absolute despair. Its early days and oart of you is still in shock. You would not be normal if you weren't thinking a few wild thoughts. I had a few vivid "thought-streams" - mainly involving emasculation with a bread knife Grin What matters is that you keep coming back to the centred 'you'. The more you do it, the stronger you will become.

No-one can tell you what to do, but in your shoes I would tell him that you are not ready to talk further until you have spoken with your solicitor. And then take your sweet time about it. You need to stop allowing him to set the agenda all the time as it just drains your newly emerging strength. The next time you meet, it needs to be your agenda.

As for the garage .... I think he must be in cloud cuckoo land. If you are going to be retaining the house, its up to you whether you want it to have a new garage or not. Having him around to "sort it out" to his timescale is absolutely not an option for your mental welfare at the moment.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 21:48

Joy5, thank you for that, that is exactly how I feel, everything, even the most basic things are a mountain at the moment. And oh god, I miss him so much. How do I overcome that? He has behaved badly but I can't turn off my feelings after thirty years.

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 21:54

Mumn, you are right, my mental health has not been good lately, and I am see-sawing so much. With him wanting to sort out the garage, I am not sure if he thinks he is doing me a favour by seeing to it? IYSWIM? As he knows I am all over the place now, and not thinking right at all.

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PenelopePortrait · 19/05/2013 21:55

You will have bad days but they will lessen. I can still remember how I felt when I got XH's emails, I can still physically feel the feeling. I stopped reading them in the end, when I realised they were just full of propaganda shite and peevish vitriol. Telling me how hard done to he was and how I was living the life of Riley. (Conveniently forgetting that he'd left me with no money, no job, didn't pay the mortgage, any bills - nothing).

I was at rock bottom but my over-riding emotion was anger. I was so bloody angry with him and that spurred me into actions that I didn't know I had in me. He genuinely thought that I would cave in. He got it wrong. And so has your H - show him what you are made of Smile

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PenelopePortrait · 19/05/2013 21:59

mumgran's post is far more sensible and level headed than mine Blush

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mrsmciver · 19/05/2013 22:02

Penelope, all points of view are welcome! You sound a really strong woman, and I feel like an absolute pathetic failure today.

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