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Marriage ended after 27 years. This is "My Death".

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mrsmciver · 12/05/2013 12:43

My husband left 4 weeks ago after I found some dubious e-mails to another woman he works with. I have posted about this on another thread, but still need the support from all you lovely ladies out there.
I asked him to go to his mum's after I went mad screaming and shouting and both of us crying. He went to his mum's, then round to my parents explaining himself and accepting all the blame.
I still let him in the house later that night and we both sat talking and crying about how we would get over this, then he collected some things and went back to his mothers.
I phoned him the next morning demanding the ow mob number but he would not give it to me as he said i would jeapardise his job if she went to his boss. We were both still crying and he asked what to get for his breakfast as his mum only has fried food and he likes to keep fit and eat well so he went to shop to buy that and washing powder for his clothes.
He also came up later that afternoon and we both talked some more. He said he had been very flattered by the attentions of this high powered business woman and had got carried away, swore there was nothing physical.
He told me he would give me her mob number once I had calmed down and to be careful what to say to her as it would cost him his job. he said he would give it to me the next morning whilst on the train as he was away for a few days on a business meeting.
Next morning he phoned and gave me her number, I put it in the drawer as after all the trauma I could not face calling her, was in no state to do so. later that evening after another sleepless night, he phoned sounding like his normal self, and I told him I had not contacted her, but he probably knew that as she would have phoned him if I had.
I then asked him when he was coming home and he said he wasn't. he said it was so out of character for him to do that and that the blinkers had been taken off his eyes and that he must have been very unhappy to have done it in the first place.
I got very upset, begged him to come home, but he won't. He is staying at his mum's. I ended up in hospital after trying to end it all. Can't imagine life without him. And now he wants to settle all our financial affairs and divorce. Am distraught. We have two daughters, one is sitting her Higher exams right now and the other is expecting a baby. They have been so wonderful, they are so strong, told me I am better without him. He had been treating me badly weeks before and I knew something was "off", that was why I had looked at his phone.
He has said he can't forgive me for looking at his phone and have now destroyed all trust. And that I would make his life hell as I would now be paranoid and forever questioning what he is doing.
He says he has no energy left, nothing to give, and that my health problems have drained him. I have anxiety and stress. But it is not as if he was a carer, I did most things for him! He doesn't know what he wants, but he knows he does not want "this.
I am devastated, cannot do this anymore. Have been a mess, shaking stuttering, he was over Frid night and said he is never coming back and that we will be divorcing.
How do I do this? How can I live without him? We have been married for 27 years, ever since we were 15 years old.
I always had a feeling I would die early, in my forties, and this is it, this is "my death", I will never get over this. It is getting worse.

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skyeskyeskye · 26/06/2013 18:43

I always used to say to XH that even when I was mad at him, the only thing that could make things right was a hug from him. I also said that when that feeling goes, you know it is over.....

I no longer feel like a hug from XH would make things better..... that will happen to you too at some point...

I think that when my DD is old enough to understand, she will be very disappointed with XH. I will tell her the truth when she is old enough, as best I can, because I have seen a friend hide the truth from her child about her cheating X. The girl grew up idolising her dad, they moved away and all she went on about was how she was going to live with him when she was old enough. The mum never told her how her dad cheated on them and left them with nothing. As soon as she finished her exams, she left her mum and moved in with her dad. It lasted around 12 months before she saw her dad for what he is.

Your children are older MrsM and more than capable of deciding for themselves, so that is something that you are spared.

You really will get through this, you will keep on getting stronger and having little revelations about things.

lostin - sorry you are going through this. It is hell when your partner leaves you so suddenly for their own selfish reasons

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mrsmciver · 26/06/2013 18:51

Yep, am spared that at least skye. I still wish I knew the truth though. I still think he is hiding things from me and not telling me the truth. I find that very hard to bear.
There is a thread on 'relationships' that has got me worried. I am wondering if it is the ow that was fooling around with my exh? The name alone from the op.....
He said that to me when he left.

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skyeskyeskye · 26/06/2013 18:59

PM me which thread

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PenelopePortrait · 26/06/2013 19:50

mrsm what difference will it make to you to know? Whatever someone else says to you, you can never be sure it is the truth. Finding anything out will make you obsess all over again.

He clearly doesn't want to be with you and it doesn't sound like he's making much of an effort with his daughters. That's his choice, he may well live to regret it and there is a possibility that he won't.

You have to continue to try and live your own life (not his), the only person you can control is yourself.

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mrsmciver · 26/06/2013 22:20

Yes i know he doesn't want to be with me, but it still hurts. And it hurts me that he is not bothering much with his daughters either. It is not right and I could scream with the injustice of it all.
And I am trying to live my own life. Everything is still very raw.
My eldest daughter gave me a lovely little plate tonight that said 'Thank you mum for being someone to hug, someone to talk to and someone to love'.
That was lovely, felt a bit teary after that.
I never wanted this for my girls, I would have tried to make my marriage work, if he only had told me, I am so sad about all of this I really am. SadIimagined my little grandaughter running into the house and shouting out 'granny... grandad!'
I get so upset thinking about that.[sad sad sad]

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springytats · 26/06/2013 22:48

Your little granddaughter won't say that though, because she has never known a granddad. It won't be a loss to her!

What I'm thinking is that your husband made you powerless in your life together. He took control of everything and made you feel weak and dependent. Now he has gone, your life has crashed down even greater than if it were 'just' the betrayal iyswim. He made himself the king pin in your life - perhaps you went along with that? Perhaps you believed him that, without him, you wouldn't be able to function? That you're a 'weak sort' and, if it were not for him, you'd be useless.

Now then, he did all that because it suited him. It isn't actually based on the truth. We all have as much power as the next person. If he robbed you of your power - and you let him, becuase you believed him - then that's all to do with him wanting to be the big I Am. and, perhaps, it was all to do with you believing he was.

He's not such a big I Am now, is he? He's a slug, a coward. In fact, not a powerful person at all, but a weak, small person.

You may not know you have the power to live your life to the full, but you do. As Mumn and others are saying, you have to fake it until you make it. Imagine you could do anything at all, anything you set your heart on. Well, you can do it. It probably won't all happen overnight, but you can make it happen a bit at a time. Perhaps get a role model - someone you admire; imagine it was them facing this, and try to do what you think they would do.

re mornings: you know they're bad. Pace yourself, as though you are training for a marathon. The mornings won't always be bad, so it's finite; but in the meantime, set yourself some targets. They don't have to be huge targets - eg 'get out of bed' is a target, 'go downstairs and put the kettle on' is another. One I would suggest is: don't lie in bed thinking. It gets you nowhere - it actually holds you back. Even if you feel half dead, shut your head up, get your bod out of that bed and get it down the stairs.

YOu can do it, stanley Wink

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Lavenderhoney · 27/06/2013 04:22

Mrsm, hope the mornings get better for you - its so lovely in the mornings in summer:) and its a great idea to fill the house with teenagers as much as possible for distraction. I agree don't stay in bed, up straight, and grab the paper if you have it delivered, read through it, do the crossword- get your self out of the habit of feeling lost.

He might not contact the girls, but would you mind if he does? Would you expect your dd to tell you all he said or be angry with them for talking with him? Would you even want them to tell you about any contact, as you may just dwell on it, and it could affect your relationship with your dds?

Could you say if he contacts you, you don't want to know unless it directly affects you ( about money/ house)? Because that is another way of helping yourself, I think.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 27/06/2013 09:12

Good morning mrsmciver sending some imaginary tea + toast your way have you breakfasted yet?

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mrsmciver · 27/06/2013 16:37

Hi, have been out most of the day, got my hair done and had to help my eldest daughter with her shopping.
There is a thread on 'relationships' that I am finding really upsetting. it is about the ow moving to being the girlfriend. Such a lot of people seem to be saying that it is ok and that these things happen. I could never understand that attitude! Having been left, and not knowing if there is another woman or not devastates me. The though of exh with ow fills me with horror. I think for a lot of posters to be ok with it then they could not have loved their husbands very much.

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TheOwlService · 27/06/2013 19:05

Hi Mrs M hope you enjoyed shopping with your daughter and you are feeling a bit better day by day?

Probably best not to read threads that may upset you. Mumsnet is a public forum and people do give their opinions - which it has to be said they are entitled to do. No one really knows what goes on in other peopke's relationships do they. Or how much they love/loved their partners.

Maybe think about just protecting yourself whilst you are feeling as vulnerable as you do at present. Just concentrate on yourself and your family and let everyone else just get on with it :)

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 27/06/2013 19:35

It was an eye opener wasn't it. Every story is different.

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PenelopePortrait · 27/06/2013 21:29

I don't think it means that they 'couldn't have loved their husbands very much', I think it's about self preservation. To be totally and utterly reliant on another person is a mistake. You never, ever know what another person is thinking, you know what they are saying but you don't know if they actually believe it. They could just be saying it because they know that's what you want to hear and Believe that they are doing the right thing - at the time.

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Leavenheath · 27/06/2013 21:53

But you do know there is another woman.

Unfortunately a lot of other women in your position don't even have the info you possess and are insistent that their husbands are 'depressed' or 'ill' because they have no evidence at all of an affair and their ex is lying about it.

Also, you do realise don't you Mrs. M that a lot of the people advocating 'don't tell' on that other thread are likely to have been OWs or women who've had secret affairs themselves, don't you? Isn't it obvious? Always consider people's agenda behind the posts you read Mrs. M.
Even posters who tell you that they've been cheated on themselves don't always tell you that they have also cheated, or went on to be the OW in other relationships Wink

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PenelopePortrait · 27/06/2013 22:07

leavenheath is right, people are only ever posting from their own perspective.

Also some people can never imagine themselves being any different. If you are madly in love and believ that the feeling is reciprocated then your perspective is different from someone who has been there and been shit on and will never ever again put their life in someone else's hands. Or the person who loves themselves and their nice life more than anything, so will put up with a philanderer as a husband because it affords them the type of life they want to live.

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Leavenheath · 27/06/2013 22:22

Yes I do agree that it's depressing to see posts from women who invest their whole lives in a man, or are prepared to put up with terrible behaviour in order to maintain a lifestyle. But I think Mrs. M has already said she's regretted being so reliant on her husband and at least her daughters have said they'll be different. My point in posting was not to keep rubbing that in, but to stop Mrs. M thinking there might not be an OW- and to suggest why there are some jarring perspectives on the thread that's upsetting her. You learn after a while on Mumsnet that if there seems to be an opinion expressed that's out of step with the way most decent people would like to be treated i.e told the truth, there's usually some self-interest and projection going on.

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PenelopePortrait · 27/06/2013 22:39

leavenheath my X still tells anyone who will listen how happy we were and how heartbroken he was, when the reality of being in that marriage could not have been further from his portrayal. He has made me out that it was my relationship with my now DH that ruined our marriage.

So what he says and what it was like in the marriage are completely at odds. However, I have just keep my counsel, he can say what he likes to who he likes, I really couldn't care less - and the DC's know the truth, they know he was a dick, no matter how he tries to convince anyone any different.

So it's not only the leaver who has to be honest, the one who's left may have to really look at themselves and be honest too.

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Leavenheath · 27/06/2013 22:51

I'd have thought that post was more appropriate on the other thread Penelope but if you're saying you had an affair and left your marriage, at least that gives some rationale and context to your posts so that might be helpful for Mrs. M to understand where some posters on the thread that's upsetting her, are coming from. I'm a bit worried that your last post will have been very ill-timed and upsetting though.

For me, it doesn't matter if other people choose to be dishonest. That's up to them and their consciences. But it matters to me not to lie to people. You will never in a million years persuade me that lying about the existence of a second relationship is defensible. A lie is a lie and there is always self-interest involved in that lie.

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overtheraenbow · 27/06/2013 23:07

^^ here here Leaven .
MrsM I found that thread too hurtful ans got sick of listening to ow's or ex-ow's trying to justify their behaviour ( and I know lots of MNers say its not the OW's fault , but as the injured party , if the ow has any awareness of your existence they should keep out. My ex told her we were separated ( well physically he was 5000 miles away but 'working' so ' technically' we were , just like when I petitioned I cited their relationship as the cause as ' technically ' ( his words) were still married. Oh the joy that gave me'
Anyway that thread made me so angry I just stopped reading it and have avoided it since.
I'm also sure she could be any of our ex's ow's !!
MrsM are you going to divorce him as I think that will put the power back into your hands.
Also recommend some reading self help books as this plus relaxation tapes at bed time gave me something else to focus on at this time when the hours just seem to stretch endlessly .
Remember we are awesome mothers and women and these men have thrown away THE best thing they ever had ! Now repeat !! Ok teacher bit over, promise!!

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mrsmciver · 28/06/2013 11:47

Hi Leaven and Over, wow thank you for that I was beginning to think that was just me that thought people shouldn't lie and cheat.
Penelope, Yes you are entitled to your point of view but I cannot under any circumstances agree with you. If a person is not happy in a marriage then they should say, and try to sort it out, not cheat and lie, and to leave their partner who still does not actually know the proper truth, but has had lots of excuses, is totally devastating. The confusion, shock and trauma it can cause can be too much to deal with if they have no inkling. It can have devastating consequences. So, no, absolutely no way would I ever do that to my partner. I would say if there was something wrong. I am sorry but I feel very strongly about that. Maybe I am too honest but I have strong morals and I know right from wrong.

Anyway I will give you an update my lovely Ladies. Exh went to my eldest daughters partners work yesterday to hand in some things from his hols for the girls. My daughters partner said he looked awful, gaunt and grey and exh said to him that the girls weren't talking to him and that he loved and missed them. Daughters partner said he didn't want to get involved and he was supporting whatever daughter wanted.
I felt sorry to hear exh was that bad, yep I know after what he has put us through, until I heard he then said 'whatever mrs has said, she is lying'.
I swear I am not. I have been totally honest with what I have said and everyone who knows me knows that. I was so upset with him for saying that and to deflect the blame on me. The girls have said that they know this, they have heard and been here so they know what has gone on. They know he walked out on them at a crucial time in their lives, the abuse he gave me, and keeping me short of money. The girls know this. Whatever exh says now he just keeps digging himself in deeper and deeper, stupid man. He has thrown everything away.

So if I feel sorry for him again Ladies please give me a kick up the bum!
He is not being honest with himself and he can't see what he has done.

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skyeskyeskye · 28/06/2013 13:32

well said MrsM - the confusion, shock and trauma, are simply horrendous when you are oblivious to what is going through their minds. After a long period of time with your partner, you should have enough respect for them, especially when children are involved to say - I am not happy with this, if this continues, I wont be able to stay, can we sort this out. Instead they turn to somebody else, who tells them how wonderful they are and they run.

MrsM - my XH went round to my friend, all puppy dog eyes, "I just wish that Skye would talk to me" :( She simply replied, well she is extremely hurt and I don't blame her.

XH also put a rant on facebook about how he wouldn't just walk out on his child for no reason and there are two sides to every story... Yes, his side being that he walked with no warning, led me on, had EA with OW, wrote me a nasty letter. Does he tell anybody that? No, he simply tells them ?? What?? I don't know... He can't tell the truth can he and say that he simply decided it was over and left with no warning or discussion! That would make him look like a bad person and he thinks he is Mr Nice Guy. He actually sat in my living room and said "the trouble with me is, I am too nice". Right before he walked out.

Your girls do know the truth and if they talk to their dad at any point, they can remind him of that. As long as you and your friends and family know the truth, it doesn't matter what him or anybody else thing. It used to eat me up, that XH's friends (inc OW) could support him in what he did to me, but even his best mate said, he didnt condone what he did, but he couldnt turn him away.

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DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 28/06/2013 16:06

He actually sat in my living room and said "the trouble with me is, I am too nice". Right before he walked out.

Epic quote, that. This must be how they see it. How very dare you trying to ask them to explain, discuss, have some sort of clue.

mrsmciver it seems your H must have got sunstroke on holiday, it affected his memory. As if having discovered those emails you wouldn't be upset! As if you wouldn't be in a state of shock. He probably felt embarrassed at getting caught and hence all the bluster about you being paranoid, and the best one, you'd destroyed all trust. As though you had no right to be on high alert, mindful of how sneaky he'd been. From that moment he showed what a snake he'd become.

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mrsmciver · 28/06/2013 17:51

Yep he has showed his true side all right and so have his family.
To hear nothing from them at all when they have known me since I was 15 years old!
skye unbelievable! You are so better off without that man in your life, Yes you will always need to have some sort of contact for your daughter but honest to god skye you are worth so much more than that. I really wish you lots of happiness I really do.
My exh said to me he wanted 'more', well....he has got a lot less and looks like crap now whereas I am looking better and more forward to things now. I have very good family and friends. Apparently he has aged in the 11 weeks that he has gone, his hair has got greyer now too and all he will do will be working all the time as he has no friends through here.
Ladies I will be away for the next fortnight and I will catch up with you all when I get back!! Have done something for my youngest daughter which she will love and I thought 'feck him', he can't tell me what to do anymore.
You have been magnificent, you have got me through some bloody hard days, I have appreciated you so much. xxxx

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MumnGran · 28/06/2013 18:03

Have an absolutely amazing two week "surprise" Mrs M.

Grin

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springytats · 28/06/2013 21:45

New York

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overtheraenbow · 28/06/2013 22:18

Australia !! Have a great timeMrs !!

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