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Dating thread no 53

999 replies

Flipper924 · 06/05/2013 21:48

The Rules

1 Develop a thick skin;

  1. Do not invest emotionally too soon;
  2. It's all BS until it actually happens;
  3. Trust your gut instinct;
  4. If it is not fun, stop

Off we go...

OP posts:
EternalRose · 15/05/2013 18:09

A kindle app?????? Jumps around excitedly...

And well done on your achievements with your degree WineFiend.

KinNora · 15/05/2013 18:11

No, it wouldn't Joy because I know someone who owns a Kindle and has the apps on her iPhone and iPad.

No names, no pack drill.

KinNora · 15/05/2013 18:13

A First, Wine and promotion ? You'll soon be too la-di-dah for the likes of me Grin

Snapespeare · 15/05/2013 18:17

The thing I still like about this thread is the difference in attitude, that people should feel free to boast about stubble rash or a plethora of wild shagging or have a bit of a wobble, or feel that it's safe to express what they perceive as their own 'baggage' Hmm or ask about red flags, discuss whether 'the rules' work or not and stumble on full of confidence or self doubt or whatever.

It is generally supportive, even when other non-dating-stuff happens; because, without wishing to feel like a clique, we all kind of know each other as well as people on the Internet can (it's thread 53!) we have concerns for each other and a healthy interest Hmm in each others lives.

I'd like the thread to be more welcoming to new folk. When we used to have specific thread titles, we were a bit cliquey maybe. Could we maybe have something like the one we had once that went something like 'come one come all, everyone welcome - online and other dating thread xx'

Also, maybe we might have a graduates thread? I miss some of the folk that left because they felt that because they were now in a relationship, they couldn't post anymore. I think they lurk, but I miss them and I'd like to know they're ok. Kind of like how the posters who are due in the same month keep in touch with each other

Oh and I might be 'loved up' but I'm still full of various insecurities and questions as this is still quite unfamiliar and I will wobble like a weeble as I see fit. So I'm sticking around for a bit longer, as nauseating as that might be. :)

WFF I'm very pleased for you. :)

Snapespeare · 15/05/2013 18:18

And wine for the potential promotion and the first! :)

WarmFuzzyFun · 15/05/2013 18:37

Have just read up to date Blush, sorry.

As I was reading up, I was hoping I'd be the peacock. I have an Hawaiian shirt if that helps...

Definitely not too loved up (not this week anyway), I think fwb are great fun, I text/contact as the mood takes me, and I very much like men (and men on the thread as well). Grin

I'd like some of the lurking folk to emerge and take a bow from time to time.

I don't want folk to feel that can't post for one reason or another. Or as Bant says keep repeating. And Rule no.1

WarmFuzzyFun · 15/05/2013 18:42

And I love chasing men, a bit like a greyhound chasing a rabbit, I can't help myselfBlush

Don't take it too seriously, 'tis only life eh, it will soon be overSmile

OhWesternWind · 15/05/2013 18:42

I love this thread, not least for the fact that there are so many different people on here - different in terms of gender, age, what they're looking for, whether they're parents, whether they're dating, lived up, on the sofa or whatever, different backgrounds, jobs, education etc etc. The chance to have a debate, to consider other points of view even if y

OhWesternWind · 15/05/2013 18:52

Oops, cat on phone. You get my drift! I've said this before but I really value the genuine help and support I've got from people here. And the genuine laugh out loud moments that brighten up my day.

As far as I'm concerned, everyone is welcome on here and for what it's worth, I make a conscious effort to be welcoming to new posters, something I've not noticed you doing MsC.

KinNora · 15/05/2013 18:55

Is Ike out with Mr G Ruse tonight ? Gawd, I'd like to be a fly on the wall in that pub

EternalRose · 15/05/2013 18:58

I have been reading this thread since November, and I have many laugh out loud moments too...

The most recent was Bant talking about the woman who kept saying he was funny when he was not being funny! Grin

OWW, did you hear back from Indie? I may have missed your post..I was gutted when you said he didn't compliment you or anything. I would have felt exactly the same as you. But glad you have other dates and things to look forward too.

WarmFuzzyFun · 15/05/2013 18:59

Shall I shout 'Sex, drink, men' like on Father Ted, to liven things up.

I will if you need me too...

WFF needs to get laid...

Bant · 15/05/2013 19:01

Your cat phones you OWW? Wow.

OhWesternWind · 15/05/2013 19:06

Rose I sent him a text on Monday calling a halt to things, precipitated by the surprising drumming during sex episode. He replied but it was all very civilised and I didn't mention the drumming.

Have an engineer lined up for this weekend and dinner with Champagne Charlie the weekend after - fingers crossed for me please! Am really looking forward to going out to dinner I must admit.

OhWesternWind · 15/05/2013 19:10

I want to hear all about Ruse's earwig collection. Ike had better do a loo update!

KinNora · 15/05/2013 19:14

OWW - fingers firmly crossed for Engineer - Part Trois and Champers

Scrazy · 15/05/2013 19:20

Bantam Hens Grin, just came to me.

Wine, fantastic news, a promotion to me would be better than a proposal from my dream man, it's so hard to get a well paid job round here.

I was doing myself a disservice with my qualifications, I haven't got a degree but its on the same level as first year university. Not that it means anything to me.

WFF, glad things are better now and agree life's too short to not do what makes you Smile.

durestasiesta · 15/05/2013 19:26

Longterm lurker here. I do have to say i agree with MrsC. Westernwind, you are wrong when you say there are a mix of people on here, because there are not. There used to be, but now its a handful of women in their 40's and over, most of who are not dating and look down and berate anyone that doesnt do things the way they do.
It is only a supportive thread if you play the game, if you dont, you attack or just ignore new posters.
There are really only a few of you on here chatting, it tends not to be about dating all that much, ,most of you on here arent even dating. Why dont you start a thread in off the beaten track, so you can chat about all you want, without being bothered by newbies.
Then those that want to date, but are sick of being ignored, can chat without having to dodge conversations about angel delight or worry about being ignored because they are not playing to your rules.

I have lurked far longer than the November that rose states and have seen people come and go, but the thread is in a dire state right now. If you notice dating threads are popping up all over the place, that didnt used to happen, but its happening now because this thread is frankly awful, cliquey and unwelcoming, no much how you deny it, thems the facts.

ChooChooLaverne · 15/05/2013 19:28

Delurking to say as a new poster I was made to feel very welcome on this thread and was grateful for the advice everyone gave me when I asked for it.

I was only an occasional poster at best as I find it so hard to keep up with you lot. And I stopped posting because I felt a bit of a fraud as I only met one man from OD and despite only knowing him for a short while am ridiculously a bit loved up. I do have wobbles and insecurities from time to time though and would feel welcome to come and talk about them.

I like reading about what you're all up to though so try and keep up when I can. Keep up the good work ladies (and peacock) Grin

VelvetSpoon · 15/05/2013 19:34

Got called into an important meeting earlier at work so couldn't respond to various posts.

At the risk of being accused of derailing the thread, blahblah, I do just need to address a few points. This may be a little long...

Firstly, MsC, it was really kind of you to post in my support. I am not entirely sure you needed to (I'll come back to that point) but I do appreciate that you did, honestly. And I can understand your frustration that the thread has changed. FWIW it has, if you have been here since way back on thread 1 as I have (and indeed before that, because I was on a previous dating related thread) it is apparent. Now of course nothing stays the same, things evolve, but it is disheartening sometimes to be ignored, albeit (I would hope) unintentionally. I know that a number of threads ago, I would try really hard to namecheck everyone, even if just with a hello, or to respond to a question even if it had been asked quite a while earlier. But I have found that my posts get missed, and I know that I am also not so careful about responding to everyone as I once might have been. Which is a shame, but I suppose it is as it is. I do hope MsC that you will post again, I know you often have a different viewpoint to some on the thread, but that's why I like to see your posts, because it would be dull if we all took the same approach.

Rose I hope that it was a genuine enquiry. I do think, I?m afraid that you did come across a little all-knowing, which I have ascribed to the naivety and inexperience of youth, rather than any active desire to put people?s backs up or to suggest that you know about anything other than dating in your 20s (which to be honest we all know about, because we all were 26 once. But as has been said, dating when you?re late 30s and up, is VERY different) but FWIW, and in answer to your original question, I never mention my salary (though lots of men have told me theirs Hmm), I never say where I went to university. If I am specifically asked what I do for a living, then I am honest. If I am not asked, I don't mention it, or only in vague terms. My dating profile, when I had one, wasn't specific about my occupation. Some dates have walked me home, or dropped me off in a cab post date, and seen my house. It's obvious from the size and location of my house that I am well off. But probably only a quarter of the dates I've been on have seen it.

The reality is I don't do anything wrong. The reason your post touched a nerve with MsC - and probably would have with me 7 or 8 months ago - is that there is no magic answer, there is no one thing I'm ballsing up on date after date. You (and this is a generic ?you?) start the whole OD process full of optimism, because your neighbour's second cousin's hairdresser's niece met her husband on POF, or Match, or wherever and they are deliriously happy. And you think 'I'll have some of that'. And you expect to go on a few dates before you meet a decent man/woman. What no-one outside of threads like this, and people like me, prepare you for is that those people who meet someone immediately are as rare as hen's teeth. Many people get vanisher after vanisher, and next to no dates. Others get dates, but all with people who have misrepresented their age/height/weight/personality, and are entirely unsuitable. And another group, like me, just get rejection after rejection.

No-one likes getting rejected. No-one wants to think that it's possible to spend 4 years OD-ing, on and off, and get rejected every time in that period. Because if it happens to someone else, it could happen to you. So people hear of my experience and rationalise it, and try to come up with excuses, ways to tell themselves they won't be like me:

maybe she's got a face like a bag of spanners
maybe she's hugely overweight
maybe she's got a terrible personality
maybe she has strange mannerisms, poor personal hygiene, extreme views

and then you find out that no, I've got a pretty face, and a good figure, and a warm, friendly personality. So you think well then if it's nothing about HER inherently, it must be something she's doing wrong.

But it's not. It just is the way it is. And it could happen to anyone.

I started a thread once about it, which MsC mentioned, so down was I (around this time last year). I got told that I wore too much makeup, dressed like a slut, didn't have enough interests, didn't have a car, thought too highly of myself, thought too little of myself, and so the list went on. Because the assumption is that if you don't get second dates you're either fussy and rejecting everyone or if you're not rejecting them, that you're getting it wrong. I have had all manner of people most of whom have never been within a country mile of OD and are talking out of their arses on MN, even some posters who normally take a v feminist stance on most things, tell me the problem MUST be with me.

But it's not. It never was. Proof of that is in the fact that the man I am now dating likes me exactly as I am, wearing the same amount of makeup, dressed the same, thinking the same about myself as I did. The only difference is that he is a decent bloke, and not a complete fuckwit. And yes, I have done a lot of the running. But there are good reasons for that, and I am confident I am doing the right thing. Certainly he has had ample opportunity to disappear over the last 6 months if he wanted to, but he hasn't. I won?t be changing a single thing about myself because this current ?thing? whatever it is, even if not a relationship yet, is proof of what I always believed, that it was just bad luck. And in fact by pursuing me then quickly rejecting me, that bunch of fuckwits have saved me from any more time in their company.

What happened to me could happen to anyone. There are no guarantees of success at OD, whatever you do. It's comforting to think that there must be an answer, or a magic solution, but there isn't. Hopefully in the end, perseverence and a massive sense of self-esteem pulls you through, and your luck changes. That's what happened to me.

OhWesternWind · 15/05/2013 19:35

ChooChoo I am just Grin and a bit Envy that things are going so well for you. Wonderful news.

KinNora · 15/05/2013 19:44

Duriestasiesta - as a woman in my forties, I would be terribly interested to see examples where I have 'looked down upon' 'berated' or 'attacked' new posts.

Thanks in advance.

And very much not ignoring anyone.

Scrazy · 15/05/2013 19:48

Durie, why don't you start your own thread about dating, if you don't like this one. I think it's changed for the better and I haven't seen one newbie attacked, did I miss something?

Bant · 15/05/2013 19:50

durestasiesta - welcome to the thread :)

I disagree though. There are women in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s. I don't believe we have anyone in their 60s. The majority are, yes, in their 30s and 40s. Almost all are mothers, as you'd expect from MN. We have people from different countries (beside myself) - and we've had 5 regular male posters, I believe, although it's a bit strange that 3 of us are the same age.

I really haven't noticed anyone being attacked for not doing things the way the rest of the people do it. Honestly I haven't. And when new people post, there are always (I believe always, there may have been a few that slipped by) a few people saying hello and answering questions or asking for more. And people don't come back to the thread sometimes, I don't know why.

Yes it may seem cliquey. That's why we stopped changing the name to be an in-joke. As Snape says, maybe changing it again to say 'come one, come all' may help. And sometimes whole pages go by without any mention of dating because we've grown to be 'friends' who talk about other crises in their lives. Other people have joined and feel free to do that too.

In fact the only 'new poster' I can remember being attacked was someone who previously left the thread in a huge huff because she was reviled for being incredibly offensive to other people - then came back and pretended to be someone else. That's the only case I can think of, and good riddance. Everyone else is welcomed.

KinNora · 15/05/2013 19:50

That's lovely news, ChooChoo, I'm really pleased for you.

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