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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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bountyicecream · 18/05/2013 08:37

Thanks for the kind words charlotte

Just had to come and say OMG re:Lundy. Why didn't you tell me how good it is (I know, I know, you did Wink )

I've only dipped in as thought I'd better get some sleep but every page I have been saynig yes yes yes. And on the are occasion when I've thought - no that's not my FW he then goes on to say - but a few men may behave like this and I'm back to thinking - yes that's him. Am totally Shock at how accurate it is.

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 09:14

On edge here. Looked up sociopath profile last night after someone described my H as one in my thread. Fits him near enough to a tee. Now feel scared (more so than I was ever before). How could I not have known this? Could barely sleep. Ironically I usually worry about the doors all being locked at night now I'm worry about the person lying next to me. Was lying there again running through loads of stuff in my head again. Realised he has an avid interest (not unhealthily though it seems) to books about serial killers and Hitler. Then I was more terrified. Wound myself up into a bit of a frenzy. Tried to calm myself and put things into perspective (no immediate danger). Still, how much longer can I survive like this? Shall speak to WA ASAP. Need some reassurance and advice on what to do next. Everything "normal" today but I'm jumpy. Loads of other memories flooding through too which I'm now recognising as abusive. Very overwhelming :-(

NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/05/2013 09:19

Thats nothing Charlotte, also on our wedding day, evil wanker FIL turned to me and said 'i always said he'd marry someone mousy' Confused.

Good luck with the holiday bounty, stay strong! Thinking of you Smile

NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/05/2013 09:25

Petals, this is all part of the process of learning what they really are. we've all been there. Keep talking to us and read about it in chunks if that helps, it can be overwhelming. Be kind to yourself SmileThanks

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 09:44

Thanks nini Xxx Just don't feel like me at all. Feel caught in some sort of nightmare. Feel really strange.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 18/05/2013 10:17

you are starting to see through the fog that is FWittery. Keep going Smile

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PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 12:07

marl sorry about your mum. That must be really hard :( Glad the book is helping you though although it's shocking seeing everything someone has done to you in black and white. I know when I was first told and saw all the evidence mounting I was like "but how do they know? Are they in my life?!" Very weird sensation!

Me - just called WA but had to leave message as obviously busy period for them. They won't be able to call me back until Tuesday now :( Really frustrating as I am really sure my children and I need to get out of this awful relationship but I don't know whether to ask him to leave (may seem weird to him considering I've been acting "normally") or leave myself (rather not do). I now am unsure what his reaction will be whereas before I thought he'd probably go if I asked. It's stressful. Snapped at him this morning but quickly apologised as didn't want to provoke him :(

WinnieFosterTether · 18/05/2013 12:18

bounty here's hoping that Lundy and your new home help you through the holiday Smile .

I really need to try Lundy again as I was just overwhelmed by it the first time. Mind you, I'm not sure I need any more 'whelming' (to misquote 10 Things I Hate About You!) my online counsellor made some vaguely sympathetic comments the other day and I ended up crying over my computer Blush When I start to list some of the stuff that has gone on I find myself wondering why I'm in this relationship and if I'm exaggerating - it just doesn't make any sense. But on the plus side, I am getting counselling which was one of my thread resolutions so yah! for me [feebly waves pompoms]

Hello to all the new members. Sorry you have to be here but glad you have found this thread as it offers so much support, wisdom and kindness including from those lurking in the shadows [waves].

WinnieFosterTether · 18/05/2013 12:30

Petals sorry WA weren't available. I'm wondering if there's a local authority/CAB/Shelter helpline that operates 24 hrs? I'd have a look for you but am just leaving for an appointment.
If there is no external help available this weekend, could you stay with family or friends for a few days until you can talk to WA?

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 12:51

Just was making lunch. H started saying "what's wrong with this" at the tuna (nothing!) and while potatoes are cooking making himself bread and butter with meat? Put it all away and didn't ask me if I wanted any. Asked him why didn't he ask and he said "you knew I was making it". This is now me analysing everything but this is a typical example of something tiny but his reaction making me feel less important. It's stupidly upset me (hence writing here). Feel so sensitive at the moment :-( He never cares. It's ALL about him :-( (and when it suits him the kids but they're young and mouldable). I'm like a lodger (less than that) in my own home :-( I just want to cry...

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 12:54

Winnie Thank you. I'm glad you're getting counselling now. It's all baby steps. You'll get there. We all will I hope. It's normal to feel like you're exaggerating I believe. It's how we've survived xxx

FairyFi · 18/05/2013 13:36

this: someone saying vaguely sympathetic comments... triggering release of tears, wonderful release of tears, the gentle rain to wash the raw soul. So different to the self-pity coercive tears of the abusers that come after appalling acts of violence (mental/emotion/physical/sexual).

Keep strong lovelys (telling myself as well... and really trying to). When the going gets tough, can the tough get going.

I have kept hearing a view of mediation, and I have repeated it to others, but for those who are reading right now, whats your view, when the police request you mediate, as a result of abuses delivered in full earshot of many witnesses? Whats the positive outcome?

Someone mentioned reading a book all night, which sounds eminently preferable to my long dark nights occupations Sad.

yy to feeling the horror of it long after it happened, and denying the horror of it at the time in order to survive, it comes back when you are no longer in survival mode, and its horrible, despite it being wonderful to be free.

I am thinking of you all, and sending love xxxx

FairyFi · 18/05/2013 19:04

Petals do you feel comfortable to share what you would gain by being outof the situation, and what you might lose? If not, not to worry, but it can help to write these things out.

I am sorry to hear you couldn't get a call back from WA til Tues, thats a very long wait when you are feeling desperate? Keep on talking so you can at least keep the stream of outlet going Smile

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 21:07

Fairyfi Do you mean losing my house etc? If that's what you mean then I want to stay in my home so my children can have minimal disruption (still attend preschool, see their friends, go to the same childminder). Really it's what I want for them rather than me. If it were just me I would pack a bag and leave now. I have some financial backing (own bank account and savings) but not enough for any significant period of time but I work (unfortunately in the same town as I live so not simple as disappearing). I did leave once before we had the children and stayed in a hotel. He called me up, sweet talked me into telling him where I was and then drove to the hotel and got me and drove me home :( I didn't know anything about abuse at this point or that I was in an abusive relationship. I really wish I knew then what I know now :(

What I would gain is simple. Freedom. My sanity. Ability to make decisions and not feel unsure. To be myself. Not panda to someone else's needs, wants and desires all day, every single day. To not cringe at racist/sexist/homophobic comments, to ensure my children have a healthy view of relationships and women aren't possessions to do as you please with (or just housekeepers), to not have to feel responsible for another adult, to not have someone correcting how I say things or telling me off for slang words or swear words, to not have to share a house with someone who thinks it's hilarious if he farts but I'm "f*cking disgusting" for doing the same, to be able to have valid feelings, to not be ignored, to not have someone gaslighting me, putting words in my mouth all day long (even when that person contradicts himself - I didn't hear you but you did say x?!), for everything to NOT ALWAYS BE MY FAULT!!!

Sorry, I went off on one there but it's valuable to realise the importance of things but I can't help feeling guilty and bad for the children. I NEED him gone from here. I feel like he's taken so much already. Why should he get anything else?

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 21:12

And thanks fairyfi Everyone has been so kind and helpful here. I feel like I'm being all a bit me, me, me at the moment. I don't feel like I have much to offer everyone at the moment. I'm still so new to all of this but I will try. I finished reading the Freedom Programme The Dominator book this evening and it was so helpful. I may get a chance to call WA Monday so shall try again then if I do x

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 21:42

Is it a normal trait for an abuser to do this:

You ask him a question such as "please could you do this?" and they ignore you. You say it again and they aggressively answer with "I heard you". It winds me up and I always get upset with H and say "well at least answer me if I ask you a question instead of acting like you didn't hear me". Then he's moody with me for complaining! This just happened over something trivial. He went really quiet. Is this them processing? He always goes quiet and closed off. Then he silks and is now sulking around in the kitchen and sighing. Is this like mind games with me? Is this him getting frustrated over losing control? This is what happens gradually over time until it gets worse and he regains his control through violence. Feel a bit sick now. How far this time will it go before he resorts to violence? Last time I thought he was going to kill me. Now I'm afraid. I can't describe it. I had visions last night of him stabbing me in my sleep :( Feel like I'm going a new sort of mad :(

PetalsonTheWind · 18/05/2013 21:43

Sulks not silks obviously! Silly autocorrect thingey!

butterflymeadow · 18/05/2013 21:43

petals, that is a good list. I ticked every comment in my head on your Freedom paragraph, as what I have not got anymore. You can be as me, me as you like, you need to get things straight in your head.
On the subject of your dcs, I think you said you found them hard to cope with. I found that once FW left it got easier, much easier, because he was not there setting the very high expectations without offering much help. Your H is grinding you down so you have no energy left. He is adding pressure for you to meet his needs when he should be helping with dc needs. Plus dc can feel tension, even young dc.
My youngest was an absolute handful, a loving handful, but hard work, wheras I was thinking last week that he is so much more settled and there are hardly any tears. There is more mess, because I prefer to do things like going out with dc and I don't have anyone complaining about minute bits I have not dusted, so yes, I am more lacksadaisical, but the house is clean. As dd said the other day when I said we need to tidy up more, it is friendly clutter. And she is right, it was not friendly tidyness, it was stressed and exhausted impossible standards tidyness.

silver, thank you for your kind comments yesterday when I was feeling low. I saw him today for contact handover, and it has this paralysing effect on me, I just want to check dc is okay and run. So Big Strong Me has a way to go.

Sorry, otherwise I am exhausted and about to go to bed.

butterflymeadow · 18/05/2013 21:48

Sorry x-posted. I don't think you are going mad. I think you are recognising patterns and you don't feel safe. Am fogged with tiredness, so don't know what to add, except stay safe Sad

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 18/05/2013 21:57

petals I also recognise everything on your gains list. Life is so much more relaxed now. I have done a shitty financial deal for the divorce-my solicitor can't believe it. However, I think I have made her see that for me, freedom to be able to relax in my own home is priceless to me.

My dc are a lot happier than they were too. DD has told me she wants to reduce the contact she has by quite a bit and I find them easier to deal with as I am no longer stressed as hell.

minkembra · 18/05/2013 22:01

petals keep your phone on stay out of his way and if he comes near you dial 999. even if you cannot speak they will keep the line open. am worried for you.

as to why. he has not lost control in his eyes. this is part of the control. he is baiting you then acting like you are in the wrong to give himself an excuse to feel hard done to. the only thing a FW likes better than feeling hard done to is taking their anger out on someone by controlling

watch your back.

(((hugs)))

TheSilveryPussycat · 18/05/2013 22:06

petals the not answering thing used to drive me Absolutely Fuckin Wild. I listed it as one of the unreasonable behaviours on my divorce petition.

FairyFi · 18/05/2013 22:28

Petals please let him feel the 'bad.. and the guilty' as this was not of your doing,and you didn't want any of it.

Never-ending 'stonewalling!!!! Demands of me were never ever coupled with any kinds of explanations, however, any requests made by me were accompanied by endless justifications Sad [tiring] [really awful]

When his inexplicable recent demands were not complied with, he took them to friends of mine to force my hand, and he wouldn't explain to them why either! They said, when you told Fi to do this [thing] did you explain the problem to her and ask her if she would consider it. The answer: stonewalling non-comittal nothingness. When the police asked him directly so will you now continue with the contact? Answer: stonewalling non-commitall nothingness. Some mutterings about his gf's DM being ill.. Police said, whats that got to do with you seeing mini Fi. Answer: stonewalling non-commitall nothingness.

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