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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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AmItheBadOne · 17/05/2013 13:22

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anunexpectedturnofevents · 17/05/2013 13:24

Ami welcome here. I'm often here in one way or another. I hope you didn't think I was saying you shouldn't be posting? I just think that you will get much more 'specialist' help here Smile

Keep posting - I suspect that what you have put here so far is simply the tip of the iceberg Sad

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foolonthehill · 17/05/2013 13:51

Sick and crying is the beginning of seeing the truth...was for me anyway.

the thing is, to survive you make everything normal and give him excuses. When you see the bad behaviour in all it's glory you feel (and rightly so) that you have been taken for a mug by the one person who should love, keep and protect you, whatever.

It is a very uncomfortable place to be, but necessary i think. In the end it is the truth that sets us free inside or outside relationships. Living a lie never works really.

Also, you are probably emotionally spent because you have been holding your family together by sheer acts of will for a long time. Be kind to yourself, keep posting and get hold of Lundy Bancroft "Why does he do that" if you possibly can. Order from the library if necessary!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 17/05/2013 13:53

In reply to your further info: Yes, you are being abused. I also have tried 'doing what he does' and also found it too sad to repeat. In fact, you name it, I tried it Sad Only when I tried MN did things start to improve, and the only way they could improve was to end the marriage.

foolonthehill · 17/05/2013 13:56

PS time for a name change?? "I'mnotthebadone" has a better ring to it.

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TheSilveryPussycat · 17/05/2013 14:00

similar to but better than my 'in-post' suggestion up thread, fool

How are you doing btw?

TisILeclerc · 17/05/2013 14:02

Hello AmI - welcome, but sorry you find yourself here.

foolonthehill · 17/05/2013 14:14

Ha missed that one silver. Great minds think alike as do fools.

FW gone AWOL,formalities progressing slowly (think striding through treacle) HE IS STILL A FW, in fact worse in many ways...but not in the house, not near me and not near the children Grin. I have even had a few moments of feeling like me again...it was like seeing a long lost friend across the street, and realising that meeting up was a possibility, even moving her back in permanently (if that's not stretching the analogy too far?).

Children are improving, no more self-harm, tics and nightmares. Lots of questions and thoughts re meeting up with their father...whys, whens whethers etc.

good to see you!

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butterflymeadow · 17/05/2013 15:50

I have even had a few moments of feeling like me again...it was like seeing a long lost friend across the street, and realising that meeting up was a possibility, even moving her back in permanently (if that's not stretching the analogy too far?).

TheSilveryPussycat · 17/05/2013 16:19

Don't worry butterfly she/you is safe :) She is still here, she is keeping safe, while Big Strong You deals. (You may not feel like BSY but you are - and of course you are her as well)

ponygirlcurtis · 17/05/2013 17:05

Oh butterfly. Hugs.

Glabella · 17/05/2013 18:09

Hello everyone, I have had my own thread in relationships and have finally plucked up courage to bimble over to here and talk to you nice people. I split from my ex husband (known not so affectionately as twuntface/TF) just before Christmas mostly because he was EA. I am in the middle of what I must very melodramatically describe as a nervous breakdown, as I realise just what a huge amount of damage he has done and the adrenaline of leaving wears off. In the last few weeks I have been letting myself think about a lot of things from our marriage and have realised that he was also very physically threatening and occasionally violent, and just how scared of him I was. I am also realising that he was sexually abusive for a long time, and raped me. Sad
I am staying with my parents, who are looking after my 18 month old daughter while I get myself together. However, my dad also has EA traits (not half as bad as TF) which my mum is deeply in denial about, and I am finding it hard to be around him as it sets of all my 'alarms' and sends me right back to how I felt with TF. I have a new partner who is an amazing support (my best friend of many years, how that happened is a whole other and much more cheerful post). However, my dad helpfully decided to comment yesterday that TF must have felt threatened by me having a close male friend and 'its very hard to save a marriage with three people in it' I was very upset, felt he was blaming me and ignoring the abuse and he has reacted in classic style by blaming me, shouting, and then a poor excuse for an apology which was hugging me without asking while saying, 'cheer up miseryguts'. Particularly not funny since I am at the moment suicidally depressed. I resisted the temptation to elbow him in the ribs. I am back at square one now today. I have been told that this will get easier, I just wish it was a bit easier right now.

PetalsonTheWind · 17/05/2013 19:10

glabella Hugs. That sounds so so hard. Is there any way you may be able to get a space of your own so you don't need to be near your dad? My dad was also EA and PA with my mum and lives in a whole other country now and just thinking about him upsets me so I can't even imagine how living with yours must feel. Xxx

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 17/05/2013 19:10

It may feel like square one, Glabella, but you are moving forward all the time. Some of the squares seem remarkably similar to ones we've encountered previously, but look at the clarity you have now that you didn't when you left.

That does sound difficult with your dad. :(

ponygirlcurtis · 17/05/2013 20:43

Hey Glabella, I read your other thread, I'm so sorry you're in this situation. The after-effects can go on for a long time. It sounds very hard to be around your dad as well. Very glad you have your new partner as a support. Have you seen your doctor or spoken to your health visitor for support/help as well?

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/05/2013 21:25

Sorry to see some new faces here but welcome to you all. The ladies here are lovely Thanks

[glabella] My Dad sounds similar to yours, its a horrible feeling to come up against them isn't it. I find that much like with an EA husband, an EA dad needs to be ignored as much as possible. Just to keep yourself sane. I hope you're getting the support you need.

My DD is on the mend, its been a rough week. Luckily FW had the end of this week off work which meant I didnt have to take the leave, so I told him he was staying home to look after her. He did it, but not before complaining/whinging that he wanted to go out and play golf instead Angry

FW has gone up a notch in his FWittery. He's started saying things to DD like 'men are the rescuers' and 'girls brush their hair to make them pretty', which makes me so mad. I keep asking him why he's trying to undermine her because she's a girl, and he just laughs. Angry Angry Angry

He's also got the hump with me tonight. Some of you may remember the hassle a few weeks back about 'that' concert he booked for me to go on that caused nothing but stress due to childcare? Well he's done the same again. Next week we're going to see a comedian, he booked the tickets and instead of getting the ones in our town he got the ones in his work town miles away. Hmm I've arranged for my sister to look after DD for the evening, so tonight he drops into conversation that we need to leave much earlier than he originally said, which is going to cause problems. When I complained that he never tells me anything he accused me of being aggressive and went off in a huff. It makes me so so so Angry!

I know just what you mean. It will get better, it will. Smile Thanks

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 17/05/2013 21:56

Nini, I really dislike your FW.

ponygirlcurtis · 17/05/2013 21:57

Glad DD is getting better Nini. not thanks to some people

That's horrible that he's saying that - there's a thread on the Relationship board at the mo with a similar situation. It's just another abuse tactic. He can't get at you any more, he sees it slide off you now, and so he's using DD to get to you. [anger]

I'm logging off for the evening now as my laptop is making some awful noises and sounds like it's going to blow up! Yerks!

Stay safe this weekend everyone, will be thinking of you all.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/05/2013 22:08

So do I, Charlotte, so do I. Wink There is no love there for him now, not a bit.

I've seen that thread Curtis but not responded. The 'why did you have children with him?' responses just made me upset. It's not as simple a case as saying LTB. These kind of negative comments will soak into the very core of a little girl, regardless of whether or not FW is a resident parent or has her occasionally. And there's nothing you can do about it. Sad. My Dad - who was physically and emotionally abusive to the extreme, never ONCE said I couldn't/or should do something because of my gender. Doing so makes a person the lowest of the low. And it hurts to hear him say it Sad.

FW needs to be careful. When we got married my Dad told him to be careful or 'one day you'll wake up to find Nini has put a knife in your back'. I might still do it Angry.

Hope everyone is having a FW-peaceful night so far and long may it last. Brew Smile

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 17/05/2013 22:15

Respect to your dad! Was that in his wedding speech? :o

NiniLegsInTheAir · 17/05/2013 22:23

Yes it was believe it or not! Wink Arsehole my Dad may be at times, but he knows me well!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 17/05/2013 23:12

Shock One for the red flags list?!

bountyicecream · 17/05/2013 23:58

Just popped in the say hi before bed. Lots of new faces .... welcome all, but sorry you're here.

Not got much time but basically everything I've read sounds abusive and nothing sounds 'normal' if that helps?

I'm off on the dreaded holiday tomorrow. I decided I couldn't get out of it without causing suspicion so am going to have to grit my teeth. At least I know my new rental house move in date will be just around the corner when I get back. Also my Lundy arrived today so have smuggled that into my suitcase for furtive reading/emergencies and I should be able to get onto MN occasionally too.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 18/05/2013 00:01

Good luck, bounty; don't do what I did and you'll be fine. :o

Glad you have Lundy for company! Hope it all goes well.