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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 14/05/2013 12:29

Nini that's fab!!!! So pleased for you, and just when you really need it. Focus on that positivity to help you get through. We'll need pictures of the new spangly room, of course (can you use any of the vouchers for patio slabs as well?).

butterfly am going to PM you.

breathe - is there nothing you can do to stop him coming into your room/area of the house? That's proper deliberate harrassment, he knows he's doing it, and he knows how it makes you feel. [anger] FW. That is all.

ponygirlcurtis · 14/05/2013 12:30

Ooooh, new page, sorry didn't see your post there Fi. Look after yourself, hope you're ok. x

bountyicecream · 14/05/2013 13:08

nini that's great newss. Enjoying picking out your new colour scheme. It shows good things do happen sometimes.

I have some good news of my own. The house I liked on the internet has said that I can take Ddog - so I'm viewing it tomorrow!!!!!! My little plan is to rent it now (without FW knowing ) and then I have it to move straight into when I'm ready to go. Yes it's a waste of a month or 2 of rent potentially (or maybe not if I go soon) but I htink I'm more likely to get out knowing that I have it sorted

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 13:18

Apparently! ... get this... its not 'illegal' to take control of your life back!!!! Who knew!?????

Apparently! .... its all completely legal and above board to 'protect' your kids!!!

earth shattering this one: My control of MY life is NOT control of HIM! - do you think he knows this?

yeah, I am, thanks Pony just his latest empty threats, he's getting very angry (so, no change there then ;) )

Been advised to stop contact altogether, or take it to a contact centre in the light of obvious FWittery. Headfucking the DD. Just wearying but it won't be soon (when we're gone! Hmm )

TisILeclerc · 14/05/2013 13:30

Is that official SS advice Fi? If so, get it in writing before they rewrite it.

minkembra · 14/05/2013 13:32

bounty that sounds like a great plan. once you ahve it sorted you cango whenever you want and you can be doing a bit of sorting the palce out in the meantime:-)

fi am a bit confused- where are you going/ sorry if i'm being dim. it is all very wearying though.

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 13:41

my dream [going] fantasy/reality? musing, desperation!

The rest is result of WA tranformation phone call, and my personal enlightenments.

I very hear what you say Tis the fingers burnt Sad gutting Hmm thanks for that. i am wondering about SS now, and v close, if not already done as wrote to gp, with references, not sure if its sufficient, as I can't remember what I wrote now, but all in abeyance whilst I get on with the wearyingness of it all.

ponygirlcurtis · 14/05/2013 13:49

Fi those are startling revelations indeed. Grin Stopping contact or having it supervised might make things less exhausting for you, meaning you don't have to supervise him with DD. What does DD want to do, to stop or to keep seeing him in some way?

bounty that's great news. Fingers crossed for you. Furnished or unf? I think once you have it set up, you'll be itching to go there as soon as he's around and being his usual FW self. I give it a week!

Leclerc SadSadSad. That sounds hard. Am so Angry for you that you are not able to vent properly about all this stuff and get advice (or at least heartfelt grrrrrrrness on your behalf) from this thread.

TheSilveryPussycat · 14/05/2013 14:53

Fi I am confused. you are out yes, but you're off somewhere again? or am I wrong? don't say if you don't want.

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 14:53

dd is highly anxious and headfucked over it, blames me, angry with me...all that... but thats ok. time for more gentle/painful signposting for her I think Pony he keeps pushing her and she doesn't 'see' it, that shes the pawn, not the beautiful dd he should be loving.

So lashings of validationa and support, and I arm myself with my kitchen utensils once again and fight the fight, onward and upwards...

Bounty so fingers crossed for you. Exciting!!!

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 15:10

This: my dream [going] fantasy/reality? musing, desperation! - can't shake it off.

ColinCaterpillar · 14/05/2013 15:26

Congrats nini I'm very pleased for you, how exciting!

fi pleased to hear of this development but sorry your DD is struggling. The truth will out

bounty this is great too, very good planning. Wise investment in you.

2013 point well made and it made me laugh.

Unfortunately I'm back in that place where i want him back beyond all else. I'm waiting for him and I know he knows I am. It will never change. Which means leaving my phone number as it is. I know he's a twunt, I'm just so weak. He's definitely gone again now because of my reluctance yesterday and because he doesn't love me.

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 16:02

this does pass Colin, if you can maintain that distance, and then it will change, that needing them back stage passes (not a theatre reference).

my last post was in response to Silvery forgot to name check!

minkembra · 14/05/2013 16:02

colin you don't have to do this to yourself. it is not inevitable. it is not your destiny. he is not your soul mate. he is not even nice. he will never change that is true. but this situation can change.

you just need to reach your escape velocity. and you need to get your self esteem back. you are depressed because the adrenalin has run out and it is making you think you can't live without him.

...and if you do take him back he won't be the same FW that left you. he will be worse. this only goes one way. escalation.

are you prepared to choose him over having children? over having a life? are you prepared to share him? are you prepared for him to come back and then do this to you over and over again? now he has broken down your boundary to him blatantly having an OW he is not going to go back to hiding it.

it is hard. it is very hard to say never. endings are difficult. the same as it is hard if you are a drinker or smoke to finally say never. never again. rather than not today. but keep saying not today and eventually it will be easier.

and although it may be true that it is too soon to be actively looking...don't go hiding yourself away saving yourself for him. if you are avoiding other men because you think he will not take you back if you are with anyone else, don't. he would not do the same for you.

you are young, you are lovely and you are bonnie and you are worth a million of him. don't waste yourself on him when I am sure you could find someone better. who will make you feel as good as he makes you feel but who will never make you feel bad.

don't treat this as an ending but the beginning of something much much better. I know it sounds daft/simplistic but could you find something else to focus on- running, going to the gym, kick boxing (imagine giving him a good doing) anything to life your energy levels and boost your confidence.

2013go · 14/05/2013 16:03

Well colin greetings from the sti clinic waiting room, just one of the salubrious places a FW can take you to! :)
My heart goes out to you, in many ways I would dangle by a string just to see FW one more time, have the dream I thought was possible. I never in a million years thought I'd block him out totally and it's so so hard, but every day the spell is breaking and I feel free, so sad, full of sadness, but free.

ponygirlcurtis · 14/05/2013 16:31

mink is right - not today, Colin. Just, not today. We'll deal with tomorrow when it comes.

Also, have you looked up some information on co-dependancy/addictive relationship? There might be something there that will help you.

I feel like you 2013 - breaking free, walking away was so hard. It makes me sadder than I thought I could be. I still sway back and forth when he's nice, but I'm stronger now than I was. I see him.

ponygirlcurtis · 14/05/2013 16:32

And good luck 2013 - Hmm that you should have to be doing this. Wine later!!!!!

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 17:40

I see you [him]

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 17:40

this is an achievement worthy of great celebrations

WinnieFosterTether · 14/05/2013 19:57

bounty great news Smile and well done nini too.

colin just remember to be gentle with yourself and that you don't need to react to anything he does or doesn't do. Sending you lots of love and strength (only because I have been in your situation and wavered and went back - it doesn't get better Sad )

bountyicecream · 14/05/2013 20:59

fi big hugs as life sounds especially hard now. And big hugs to minifi too. I hate hate hate that our DC have FW's for fathers. They just don't deserve it.

colin easy to say I know but I would second the keep working day at a time. The longer you can go the more you'll know you can do it. Plus as mink says if you go back then he'll be 10 times worse than this time.

My lovely house to be (hopefully) is unfurnished. So I'm going to be beg stealing and borrowing (or ebaying Wink ) I'm lucky that my parents don't throw much away so I know there is a set of bunk beds in their loft (which can be split into 2 singles - who cares about being back in a single bed in their thrties??) so that's a bed for each of us. And they have a slightly old sofa which will do to begin with. Also 2 sets of drawers so again a set each. So I think the main buy will be a dining table. I'm hoping that there may be some inbuilt wardrobes, otherwise I'll buy some rail thingies from Argos.

Any ideas how I really make myself go this time? Do you think telling more people would force me into it as I'll look an idiot if i don't go? Or is that too much pressure on me? Or do you think that by having my own place ready to go that it will be easier? Because it seemed to be spending the night at home so he saw me crying in the morning that broke me down. If I hadn't let him cuddle me it might be a different story.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/05/2013 21:04

Nini - yay, good news! Hope there is more enjoyment than stress in using the money.

bounty - yay for your news, too! So glad they said you could take your ddog. So glad that your escape route is looking clearer.

Fi - love those revelations; who knew indeed?! Your poor dd, and you having to be so strong for her all the time. NC would give you so much more space, to be you! Hope it can be made official.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 14/05/2013 21:09

bounty, I think in your position, I would move my journal, Lundy books and favourite snacks to the house early on. Escape there for an hour or two when I could and read and write about what I am doing and why I have to do it. Create a sanctuary there and maybe it'll be enough to check the tears (till it's safer to let them flow) and keep a clear head?

ColinCaterpillar · 14/05/2013 21:19

Thank you for all your wise words. One day at a time and mink that was a powerful post and spot on. I hope I can break the spell soon. Yes pony I'm looking at the addictive stuff, as I know that 'my name is Colin and I'm addicted to FW'. I told my sister about the withdrawal I was going through and in the nicest possible way she wet herself laughing and said 'he's not god, he's just a person and not a good one'. Then I bathed my nephew and read him a story and tried to sow the seeds of my old dream of having a family. It's a long way off, but it's the ultimate prize for me I guess.

bounty I second charlottes advice.

ColinCaterpillar · 14/05/2013 21:20

Oh and I'm really resenting the time I'm devoting to reading about EA/Narcissitic FW types, but it's the only thing that helps me stay NC. It pisses me off he's dictating my time in a way. Grr.