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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 13/05/2013 21:27

bounty - hurray for friends, and talking to them. I couldn't have done what I did without my wonderful friends. I'm liking your rental plan. Excited for you!

Nini, no of course DCat isn't an excuse, but it's still doable with her, just needs a bit extra planning. Maybe some kind (and quiet) person could foster her for a few months, for example? We can find a way!

minkembra · 13/05/2013 21:28

nini I do understand. I was on a thread before where they kept telling OP to leave her dcs pets behind. Hmm and I did not really think it would do them any good.

but OTOH you may find when you do manage to move (in your own time) dcat will be a lot less spooked when not living with a FW. they are not daft our little kitties they know a FW when they see one. (my dcats when I had them were not wild about ex- good judges of character (that said one of them bit everyone who was daft enough to stick a hand in front of her except me and maybe 2 other people..and she was so soft and strokable it was almost worth getting bitten))

Wine here is to happy dcats ddogs and dcs all free from FWs.

bountyicecream · 13/05/2013 21:38

I'll drink to that mink Wine

WinnieFosterTether · 13/05/2013 22:27

Wine Me too - here's to happy dcats, ddogs, dcs and us.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/05/2013 22:41

Hello all.

Angry and Sad here. Sorry to hear others are too. nini I could never abandon my dcat either, animals are family too when you've bonded that closely with them and also they're our dependents who we have a commitment to, IMO Smile

FW has just told me, among other things that I'm a liar, I'm ignorant, I'm arrogant and yet at the same time, apparently, I'm a fucking coward, weak, too feeble to enter into "healthy discussion" (ahahahaha) and the counselling I'm doing is pointless because I will always be "what I am".

Does he not realise that the more he speaks like this, the less respect I have for him (so by now that means none) and therefore his words have no effect other than to disgust me and be used for fw bingo. I have been "mentally abusing" him for years, hahahaha. I nearly laughed and said bingo. FW from hell, FOTTFSOFATFOSM Angry

Funnily enough, talking about pets, my dcat followed me down when this conversation started (i'd slipped down to get water from kitchen and got ambushed) and purred and cuddled me all the time it was going on and then when fw floated upstairs quietly and then suddenly burst into my room to shout at me some more in his hatred, doing his spitting image type imitations of me in scorn of me, dcat purred and walked on me affectionately all during the tirade. Do you think he's an angel in feline form Smile

Sorry, all me... needed to vent. Been away for a few days, hence not on here. I've read but not commented because haven't been in position to.

FairyFi · 13/05/2013 22:44

Wine me too [us too, ddog, & dcats]

NiniLegsInTheAir · 13/05/2013 22:54
Smile

In answer to your question about mortgage bounty - it's in both our names. We have a fixed rate (high monthly payments) until this December, which is when I'm planning to strike. He knows I want to move, in fact he always said he wanted to move too after the fixed rate expired, but has backtracked on that since DD was born (probably because he knows it gives me a get-out clause). I need to have things ready for when that month comes...

I don't have anyone who can take DCat Curtis, no family within a 2 hour car journey and no real friends, they're all wives/partners of FW's male friends. Sad Funnily enough, Mink, DCat adores FW not as much as she loves me though. But she is of a nervous disposition, I suspect related to abuse she suffered before she came to us. When FW hit me last year, she came straight to me within a minute, miaowed and miaowed at me as I was huddled on the kitchen floor, and actually took my hand with both front paws on either side. And who said they don't feel like humans do...I love my little DCat Smile.

Hope you're doing ok Breathe - FOTTFSOFATFOSM to him indeed! Stay strong lovely Wine.

In fact, strength to us all tonight.

bountyicecream · 13/05/2013 22:58

Oh well nini December isn't that far away. And it gives you 6 months to get your plans in place. I bet as you start planning and working towards the December date you'll find yourself feeling stronger and stronger.

Oh and I love your cat for the hand holding. :)

Off to bed now, feeling happier than I have all weekend. must be the Wine and the lovely pet talk.

bountyicecream · 13/05/2013 23:00

breathe keep venting. It definitely helps. And he scored high on the FW bingo card. We will get there eventually.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/05/2013 23:13

nini I love your dcat for the handholding too Smile

bounty I'm so glad you feel a bit better after Wine and [pets] Smile

FairyFi · 13/05/2013 23:18

Fly I do wonder how many of them are our guardian angels xxx

sweet dreams Bounty good to hear it.

minkembra · 13/05/2013 23:39

nini aw at dcat. (I bet underneath it all she knows he is a FW. dcats are good at pretendingWink)

breath he is a FW. dcat is a superstar.

but even so nini stay safe. if it gets too much pack dcat up and go (remember dd too obvioulsy!) if you tell dcat what is going on she will forgive you. and she will get over being spooked. butter her pawsSmile
(although I tried that with my dcat. she gave me some really evil [jealous] looks as she was eating muddy butter of her paws in the back garden Grin)

minkembra · 13/05/2013 23:39

damn evil Envy looks

2013go · 13/05/2013 23:40

Right all, have had wine... but just wanted to say, having read today's thread:
They are all ARSEHOLES
Don't waste another SECOND of your beautiful, precious lives.
You/We are all worth so so so much more!
Our gorgeous dcs!!
Do whatever you can, but get OUT and tell them to FUCK RIGHT OFF

And... breathe.....
Bedtime for me ......

I will never, ever, put up with that shit again, even if I never get to have sex as long as I live.
It is NOT WORTH IT.
:)

2013go · 13/05/2013 23:44

breathe you made me remember that exdp once got in an angry mood (over nothing of course, as usual) and said (angrily and full of spite) 'no, no problem, you're just being YOU'.... another time he got in a fury and said (twisted face expression) 'you really LIKE yourself, don't you?'.

Yes, we are being us and we are AMAZING
Yes, we like ourselves, and in a healthy relationship our partners like us too!!

And if they don't.... their problem- goodbye arseholes of the world!!!!

2013go · 13/05/2013 23:45

And colin change your number! 50% of people on the planet have a penis and not all of them wear it on their heads....

BreatheandFlyAway · 14/05/2013 00:11

mink fi and 2013go Grin

2013 thank you for your words. They rang very true and are a great spur forwards Thanks

butterflymeadow · 14/05/2013 06:39

2013go YY a million times over. Re not having sex ever again, I actually can not imagine it anyway, I have been put off for life. That said, I just dreamt I was curled up (clothes on!) with a nice man and FW came in and somehow gave me a quick kiss, sticking his tongue in. I panicked in my dream and thought what is he doing here, and eeewww, boaky tongue! Brain bleach.

bounty I suspect one reason you feel better, aside from the support of these lovely ladies (always uplifting) is that your FW has gone till Friday. Capture that feeling and let it give you strength.

Otherwise what a lot of fwittery Sad. I am glad the dpets have the measure of them, though. Stay safe (((hugs)))

butterflymeadow · 14/05/2013 07:39

breathe, Sad, your 'conversation' with FW reminded me of a vicious argument with my mum after I had mc the second time, which precipitated me going more or less NC. Words have the power to harm and undermine you, so I am going to stress this: what he is saying is not true, it being said because you are not doing what he wants. I know you know that, but sometimes it helps to hear it from someone else.

silver, pony, thanks for your words re my ruminating over sol letter. I will stick to facts. He is proposing a contact schedule which is inconsistent. I am going to go back with something which I hope meets his work commitments, and more importantly dc needs. What we have just now is upsetting dc. He is also asking about contact between my dd and his dd, which I have twice offered to facilitate and he has refused. Given the way he treated dd, I am unsure how to proceed with this. I know his behaviour had a detrimental effect on her, but she was close to dsd. Am thinking of arranging meeting with family therapist to talk to dd objectively on neutral ground about what she wants and is comfortable with. I do not want to disempower her.

TheSilveryPussycat · 14/05/2013 10:15

Sounds like a good idea to try to find out what DD really wants. Tis so hard when you don't know if they are giving the 'right' answer, ie the one FW wants to hear, to keep the peace (though who can blame them Sad)

Enough of that. You are moving forward, step by carefully considered step :)

NiniLegsInTheAir · 14/05/2013 10:27

Well sometimes things do go in your favour! I've just been selected as one of 20 people on Mumsnet to get a £300 B&Q giftcard to do up a room in the house. Maybe Operation Get Out is back on track! Grin

Admit I sniggered at 2013's - not all men have penises on their heads comment Grin

Butterfly massive yuck at him sticking his tongue down your throat! blech!

I agree that maybe a chat with DD is in order butterfly. Brew

minkembra · 14/05/2013 10:29

Think that is the line I will take, assuming FW does realise he is a monumental twat and decide to see his kids again.

  1. I will ask the dcs if they want to see him (and i will let him know it is actually up to them not him)
  2. ask him what guarantee they have that he is not going to walk off on them again as it is totally unacceptable.
  3. ask him how he is going to ensure that seeing him is to their benefit.

I did try speaking to his dm about it but she is clearly taking the 'oh what a difficult situation' line (i.e. must be fault on both sides)

that whole 'looking after your kids for you' was the major source of rows between us. he never though I was grateful for him doing occasionally what I did everyday. i.e. looking after our kids. because of course he is entitled to thanks, medals and praise without end for being good enough to bother himself with his own children. Whereas I of course was not even entitled to thanks for looking after the dscs which was literally me looking after his kids for him.

(and actually I did thanks him because a thank you costs you nothing although you would thinks his were solid gold they were so infrequent.)

so yy butter to asking dd but also let her know that whatever decision she makes she can change her mind any time.

hopefully at the end of all this you will have something in writing and even is he does not stick to it he cannot gaslight about it. hopefully it will be phrased in terms of your dcs rights of access to him and not vice versa.

minkembra · 14/05/2013 10:30

yay nini.Smile get your dungarees on and your paintbrushes out.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 14/05/2013 10:42

Need some dungerees first mink Blush. Looking at what I need to do within the next 2 weeks with the room I've chosen and freaking out a bit. Expecting no help from FW of course.

I hate the 'looking after your kid for you' rows aswell - why do they not see that the are THEIR children too? Sad It's so frustrating.

FairyFi · 14/05/2013 12:04

big ((((hugs)))) to all in stoooopid FW land. I can't keep up with posts right now, just wanted to send loves to all, and big loves to WA.

you all take care. Feeling too emo, but i'll be back Wink xxx

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