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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ColinCaterpillar · 10/05/2013 08:21

2013 I also have Stockholm syndrome. I've been insanely horny for him all week. I mean what is that about??? It's ridiculous. I wouldn't envy the messages. They were shit. No grand declarations, no inkling of him wishing it had never happened. It's just fucked with my head and pissed me off and upset me. He's not sorry for what happened, just how of happened. He wants to know if I'm ok. Well I can't respond to that - I'm not okay but not giving him the satisfaction of knowing that. Anyway, nothing else since so it's gone away again.

Thinking of you today bounty

Morning all.

FairyFi · 10/05/2013 08:22

strength to all for 'The talk'.. mised you all in the Vixens last night, had to sleeeeep... xxx

foolonthehill · 10/05/2013 09:52

best wishes to you all, especially those who are trying hard to keep the reality in mind and stay away, and for the talk today bounty.

You KNOW what these FWs have done to you....don;t let them do it again.

Onwards and upwards to new lives and freedom.......

anthem to strengthen resolve

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TisILeclerc · 10/05/2013 10:07

This is my personal anthem right now.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/05/2013 10:15
NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/05/2013 10:37

Think I may have just found my most perfect song in the world - This is what happens when my song and fool's song has a baby Grin

ColinCaterpillar · 10/05/2013 10:57

Love the livelounge cover. Mine is Beyonce's Me Myself and I and obviously, DC Survivor. Also Mary Mary 'Shackles'.

FW hated Destiny's Child by the way, if I ever exhibited my own opinions he would say 'enough with the Destiny's Child attitude'. Better Destiny's Child than a man child eh?

Another text today 'hoping I'm ok'. Presuming he wants to hear that I'm not cos he'd like that or to relieve his conscience supposing he has one (doubtful).

TheSilveryPussycat · 10/05/2013 11:07

Can I play? Not quite an anthem, but a song from the Buffy the Vampire album, many of the songs helped me think things through and survive...

NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/05/2013 12:42

We need our own album for all these songs Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 10/05/2013 12:43

Colin, I hope you're ignoring/deleting his texts! Thanks

TisILeclerc · 10/05/2013 13:18

Oh yes - the survivors of DA album! Grin

Got a busy w/e coming up - a friend of dd2 is coming to stay for 2 nights and I'm going out for a few drinks tomorrow evening to celebrate one of my friend's birthdays. Plus continuing to paint my sanctuary room. Happy days Smile

The only down side is that our one and only telly has just decided to give up the ghost. It's done well as it is 9 yo, but I could really do without that! Still, I'm sure I'll work something out. Ebay is normally a good bet!

Off to change sheets now - it's musical beds with the guest etc.

foolonthehill · 10/05/2013 13:22

Here's another one

with lyrics for all of us:
It's okay not to be okay
Sometimes it's hard to follow your heart

Tears don't mean you're losing
Everybody's bruising
Just be true to who you are

Jessie j Who You are
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ColinCaterpillar · 10/05/2013 13:34

Love that song Fool.

I'm ignoring so far but really struggling. Proper panicky. I'm desperate to reply.

TisILeclerc · 10/05/2013 13:59

Don't do it Colin. Don't hand that power back to him. You are in control of this now. Stay strong Smile

I love that song too fool

foolonthehill · 10/05/2013 14:12

Yay to rediscovering music...wasn't allowed before although he would deny that...just made it too uncomfortable to bother to listen to anything. Mind you when he failed to move his stuff out 18 months ago Shock...the only thing he took was the stereo.

he's gone AWOL now...his solicitor signed the divorce papers Hmm, but now we can't find him for finances/contact stuff......

argh

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minkembra · 10/05/2013 14:23

this is my current anthem because I am old skool

ponygirlcurtis · 10/05/2013 15:11

Colin - might be time to delete his number... He's desperately trying to get a response out of you. Please, please, ignore!!!!!

Love a bit of Buffy Silvery Grin - the musical ep is still my favourite...

fool - eh??? Wot a FW. His solicitor had to sign the papers for him? What does that mean in the longer term? other than him trying to mess you about some more

Leclerc sounds like a v nice little weekend! Hopefully it'll keep you too busy to notice the lack of TV. What a shame though.

My own musical journey through FW-land has mainly been with the Adele 21 CD - he bought it for me for my birthday just before we got married main present of £50 to spend on clothes was promised but never materialised. I used to play it at top volume in the car while howling, because the words all seemed to fit. Especially Turning Tables:

I can't keep up with your turning tables
Under your thumb, I can't breathe...

Next time I'll be braver, I'll be my own savior
When the thumb that cost me
Next time I'll be braver, I'll be my own savior
Standing on my own two feet

TheSilveryPussycat · 10/05/2013 16:38

Colin time to remember the smell in the bathroom, and the farting on the hands. Grit your teeth!

minkembra · 10/05/2013 17:17

Colin also be aware this will be pissing him off. sweet revenge. he will be realizing hi is not the centre of the universe and his cock is not solid gold after all. Grin enjoy the thought of him stamping his little toddler foot. i know revenge is a bit childish but actually what it really is is him having to realise there are consequences. ok so you never get to see it but you can imagine it. while he is probably imagining you off making a wonderful new life for yourself without him..which you are starting to do.

hold on to the thought that this will be winding him up and it is exactly what he deserves for all the times he texted you to ask where you were or told you you were not allowed to go out unless he said so.

cheeky get.

butterflymeadow · 10/05/2013 19:17

Sorry, self-centred vent here

OMFG, he is a FUCKWIT!
He lives on another planet. FW. I need to get this out my system so I can think about what is in dc2s best interests. FW. FFW.

Though it has lightened my mood to note that fuckwit is now in my autospell as is fuckwittery. The wonders of modern technology.

Jeeez. Will come to Vixens for a stiff drink later.

WinnieFosterTether · 10/05/2013 20:17

Loving the music Grin - for the Buffy fans - I met Joss Whedon recently. I was so excited, sad, nerdy person that I am.

mink your choice nearly made me cry - memories of a family funeral.

butterfly sorry he's been such a FW. Remember we can mobilise the kitchen utensils army at a moment's notice. Make sure you come back and vent to make you feel better and have a record. In the meantime, sending lots of love to you and dcs.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 10/05/2013 20:29

Will listen to all these once I've moved from current position outside dd1 and dd2's bedrooms!

Thinking of bounty and That Conversation.

TisILeclerc · 10/05/2013 21:50

I have a tv again Smile

My lovely friend has brought one round. She was going to give it to me anyway for my sanctuary room but brought it early as we were telly-less. I luffs her Smile

So all dcs (well, those that are still awake!) are watching Perfect Pitch in the lounge whilst I skulk here in the Vixens with the laptop. Everything is as it should be.

I had thought to do another coat on my feature wall tonight but I can't be bothered. It'll be a job for tomorrow! I'll be waiting in the Vixens to laugh or cry - whatever is required this evening.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 10/05/2013 21:56

What a luffly friend! Sounds quite idyllic in the Leclerc household mainly because my dcs watch tv on the computer, so I can never mn at the same time!

ponygirlcurtis · 10/05/2013 22:00

butterfly - hope you are ok. Have a Wine and rant away.

bounty, hope it's gone ok. And for you breathe - were you dtd (as t'were) tonight too?

tether - how on earth did you manage to get to meet JW? Grin