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Support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships...coming of age:21

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foolonthehill · 04/05/2013 11:49

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ponygirlcurtis · 09/05/2013 20:13

Leclerc - yaaaaaaay!

That's right, I remember that bit. Totally, totally true. St Lundy, every time.

Montessorisam · 09/05/2013 20:16

foolonthehill that is fantastic thank you. I love the bubble image and will definitely use it. And I will step back and be the observer; I can do that easily I think.
I am definitely a conflict avoider and wouldn't say that I was controlling - at least I don't think so but I guess by being an observer for a while I can also look at my own actions and see through the fog a bit easier. Anyway, in some ways it doesn't matter now too much. It's over. I'm not going to go over old ground but I would like to learn to detach.
Childhood is a massive issue here and I am just beginning to see how mine has affected me even though I thought that I had left that behind. I grew up in a home with a very unstable mother (diagnosed eventually chemical imbalance) so life was unstable and rocky to say the least. I have been reading a book about EA and the book is saying that the next time you feel threatened (and I have - a lot this week) then try to think about physical reactions. With me it is fight or flight feeling. I did a lot of running as a kid (one time to escape mum and get to dad who was in a phone box down the road - I went with no shoes just to get away) and now I can't run. 3 kids. That trapped feeling makes me feel caged - like a caged rat almost. I guess that's where my anger steps in?
Long post - cathartic though.

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 20:17

Such a shame St Lundy is not on Kindle though. Bad Lundy!

Montessorisam · 09/05/2013 20:17

What is Lundy? Where can I find it please?

Montessorisam · 09/05/2013 20:18

See it now - on the links

Montessorisam · 09/05/2013 20:20

Thanks colin

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 20:23

Jesus this is not easy is it?!

He's under my skin and i know he doesn't know it so it doesn't count but I'm sat concocting replies I will NOT send

  • does your girlfriend mind you contacting me?
  • I'm fine no thanks to you
  • I'm fine but my family are baying for your blood so I should move countries and get a new identity if you can
  • FOTTFSOFAWYGTFOSM
ponygirlcurtis · 09/05/2013 20:39

Colin the only one I could possibly sanction is the last one! If only because he wont know what it means and I like the thought of his confusion... But still, don't send any of them!

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 20:44

I'm not.

I never told my family about him before until this time which has made me so poorly. I can't watch them watch me on the edge ever again. It's not fair on them.

butterflymeadow · 09/05/2013 20:47

monte, the anger is because you feel trapped, and part of getting out is to detach and see that he is trying to provoke a response. He does it because it works. When I started to detach, I could see and feel the provocation and he would up the ante.

He is still trying in differeny ways to get a response. I am still trying not to respond.

With three kids and him not leaving, you need a plan and outside agencies on board. Forgive me, I do not know too many details of your situation, but look for RL practical support. Others will advise better than me.

Childhood, yy, also physical response.

tis let me raise a glass to you.

colin no sending! You do not want to feed his ego, he is just checking if you are still there and pining.

TisILeclerc · 09/05/2013 20:56

Gah! My laptop won't work! So here I am in the Vixens with just a phone keyboard on which to post Sad

TheSilveryPussycat · 09/05/2013 20:57

Winnie your little wave of love when faced with his anger rings a lot of bells with me. In my case, I think it comes from my vulnerable DF who has AS I'm sure, and would sometimes have a meltdown, though he remained at the same time a kind and loving man. Seeing similar emotions in my FW made me think he was vulnerable and distraught like my DF gets, but actually this is far from the truth. And FW's anger was a cold hard thing, quite different from DF's anger - which, like mine, is more a hot roiling confusion.

Colin as one of my academic interests is in text communication, I'll be fascinated to see if and how your FW responds to your own continuing unresponsiveness Grin

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 21:00

I'd wager that he won't bother anymore as its too much effort silvery. He's tried and failed.

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 21:00

I'm enjoying tis presence Smile

butterflymeadow · 09/05/2013 21:01

Tips re detaching, focus on your own goal, which in my case was my life back in a million little ways. Visualise what that life will look like. If that seems too much, think about the small things. All I could think when we split was I want to be able to listen to my own music. Every provocation is his attempt to draw you away from that goal, because you waste energy responding and then berate yourself for responding.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/05/2013 21:02

Did he send two messages, Colin? How far apart?? Sounds like he expected an immediate response and has now let on that you've wrongfooted him. Go (silent and strong) you! :o

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 21:04

One email followed up by a text an hour later, though the email refers to a text sent first but that he thinks went to the wrong number. Messages an hour apart.

WinnieFosterTether · 09/05/2013 21:10

butterfly I was reading your message and reached the line about small goals and automatically thought 'I could listen to music' then your next line said the same thing Shock
How pathetic that all FWs try to control the music we listen to but I guess music is pretty powerful. It's the soundtrack of our lives and links to memories, emotions and our sense of identity.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/05/2013 21:10

Have re-read and think I was rather OTT to call the email "wrong", sam. Unwise, maybe. But I now think that it was similar to my dd3's furious little slaps of ds when she's being baited (aged 3 and 5 respectively), to which ds responds tauntingly, "Didn't hurt. Didn't hurt. Ha! You call that hitting?" Expect your FW's internal response was similar.

So, sorry. Will resist the urge to post and run next time. Hmm

In any case, it would definitely not make it fine for him to retaliate in whatever way he sees fit. Calling him ugly names wouldn't give him an excuse to call you names. And so on.

NiniLegsInTheAir · 09/05/2013 21:10
CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 09/05/2013 21:12

Yeah, must've gone to a wrong number... cos when he pulls that string, you dance, right? Arrogant FW!

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 21:12

Don't feel guilty, it would have been worse to take that chance if it's not right nini. It's okay. The right time will come.

WinnieFosterTether · 09/05/2013 21:12

Night all. One of my small kindnesses to myself (they're very much a work in progress !) is getting to bed before I'm too exhausted to move.

ColinCaterpillar · 09/05/2013 21:14

winnie sleep well x