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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 18/04/2013 11:23

galloway tick, defo ... Saville too. Saville is a very good example of the dissonance, where someone is doing so much good but feels very wrong! This was classic for ex - btw he didn't actually do any good, but it did sound good.

whilst on it, what do we think of Cracker/Hagrid. Y I think mine is too Mink [spurious rejections]

FairyFi · 18/04/2013 11:25

Missed FP Sad Sad Sad the reason - I'm rubbish Sad

thepatioislumpy · 18/04/2013 11:55

No fi - that's not the reason, there must have been another reason. I know this because I can tell you're not rubbish.

arthriticfingers · 18/04/2013 11:56

Fi tut tut, you know how hissy feels about us using FW-type language against ourselves!
You are not rubbish - you are a strong, cool woman and worthwhile human being - FWs, on the other hand are total, utter, rubbish.

thepatioislumpy · 18/04/2013 11:59

Yes, I agree with arthritic. You so are a cool strong woman Smile

FairyFi · 18/04/2013 13:50

Thank you ALL, lovelies xxx

I literally hadn't got the right day ticked for the alarm (so alright, maybe I had only been a little tiny bit rubbish unfocussed?), but its all set for if I want to go on Friday! Grin

and a big thank you for reminding me of another FW word! Blush

I'm actually glad I missed it now! I wouldn't have missed what happened in the interim for the world. Although I'm crying, they are tears mixed with a lot of happiness. I am going to be brave and say it, because its a huge thing for me, and I think to be celebrated (although not necessarily as easy to understand as EA?!).

I am reunited with my little girl.

thepatioislumpy · 18/04/2013 13:52

FI Grin Grin Grin

Absolutely to be celebrated. I'm having a little sniff myself. x

FairyFi · 18/04/2013 14:28

I now think that should have included (not DD) to be clear? is it?

ThreeTomatoes · 18/04/2013 14:35

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TisILeclerc · 18/04/2013 14:37

Thank you Tomatoes Smile

I'm still lurking and will post from time to time. I had to stay glued to the screen the last couple of days because of the situation with someone else.

They can knock me down but I'll get back on my feet Smile

ThreeTomatoes · 18/04/2013 14:39

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TisILeclerc · 18/04/2013 14:40

BTW, PMs are fine. I am totally in control of my emails!

TheSilveryPussycat · 18/04/2013 14:42

But PMs are not emails, are they?

TisILeclerc · 18/04/2013 14:47

No, but I have my notifications sent to my email which is under control. As is my password for here Smile

arthriticfingers · 18/04/2013 15:01

hug and kiss from this thread, too, tis

FairyFi · 18/04/2013 16:52

strong echoes of nights in the Vixens and chumbwamba TubThumping floating around I get knocked down, but I get up again so strong xx

Dillie · 18/04/2013 17:13

Hi ladies hope your all well. Just picking up the tread again, after slacking a little.

So very :( for you tis That is complete betrayal. If I was the sil I know for a fact I would kick my brother to Timbuktu and then some. Blood makes no difference to me if family disrespect anyone. Flowers to you.

I finally have my move in date. Exchange on 3/5 and will move in the week after. Just have to tell dd now. Looking to do that this weekend. Really not looking forward to that! Any tips/advice?

For my famous person ... Paul Hollywood. Can't really see him being a fw. What do you think?

TheEmptyChild · 18/04/2013 18:17

Hi All (I've namechanged (panicking after everyone's stalking FWs) and am just catching up with the thread.
mink I did a parenting class when dc was small. It was part of our parent/toddler group. It was quite good - partly because you realised how much was normal and that you didn't have wild children and also because it did give some good strategies.
Parts of How to talk worked for me and dc too.

FairyFi · 18/04/2013 18:36

Dillie catch the moment right! Talk about the things that she will get to do that are better and exciting as a result. Choosing a coupleof new things for her 'new room'? Its an exciting time. I've seen mine go through tears at the thought of leaving her beloved home, but at other time can't wait to be somewhere else thats brings its own benefits (things she wants and can't have here). Also talking about others making moves to new /better places? Using the plenty of house move shows on telly to give the inside track a bit on the upside.

Hello EmptyChild Smile

oh and I had to look up Paul Hollywood; jury's out. Would have to watch some more, but had a memory of watching him and thinking oh! and turning over Hmm he's your famous fancy ?

TheEmptyChild · 18/04/2013 18:37

Tis just read your update about your SIL and am so Angry at her (especially after you making the effort to spend time with her). Despite what she says publically she must look at her db differently and that can be the only teeny tiny positive in this horrendous situation.

minkembra · 18/04/2013 19:35

Thanks re. parenting class advice. might ask hv if they know of one. not that i have seen an hv for years.
The wild dcs are upstairs having quite time after having poured an entire bottle of shampoo into the bath. would not have been bothered but they were supposed to be trying extra hard not to get water everywhere and they were going to get a reward. instead it was like a foam party. cannot blame them really it must have been quite fun.

betterthanever · 18/04/2013 19:57

Fi my dates are all getting mixed up at the moment.

I need more early nights (kick me off here in an hour) and a sit down and sort out. Being running round all day sorting out FW issues. At least after months my sol is seeing him for what he is - to be fair it took me a while Blush. Need a few hours in bed with Lundy tonight. He is the only one I want in there for a while. I used one of his line today and it really worked. Can he be my famous person Grin

Felt a bit low before I came on here. And just hearing your cyber voices has comforted me and given me a lift. The stress is exhausting, I know I need sleep but I need to relax too I guess then it is not as exhausting.

butterflymeadow · 18/04/2013 21:00

mink not exactly sure how old dcs are, but these are the types of things that will make their memories of a happy childhood. Seriously, I was reflecting on this issue as dc2 said he was going to get his pj top, but instead through himself head long over the bed guard shrieking wildly and proceeded to throw himself around the bed like a wild banshee. Half of me was thinking, need to get him to sleep so can do dishes, tidy up, make place spotless, part of me was just laughing at the sheer cheek of it. Then I wondered about whether we feel like we are parenting badly because of all the criticism before. FW used to always always ask if dd was in bed yet and tut if she was not. So, whose expectations am I channelling?
Second point, dd and dsd used to love bathing together and getting up to all sorts of high jinks. FW has decided that dsd won't be visiting despite my suggeting it. DD is losing her playmate.
It is hard work for you, and there are battles you have to fight but don't be too hard on yourself with it.

butterflymeadow · 18/04/2013 21:07

Dillie how old is dd? I am guessing thigs like school, friends will be the same, stress continuity as well as change, but I think be open to discussing her fears too. Good luck.

All the best to everyone else, will get to thread properly later. Am minded of tis as have a headache, no coincidence as contact looming.

ponygirlcurtis · 18/04/2013 21:07

,adopts stern mummy voice> Have you gone to bed yet, better? Grin

butterfly, my FW would tell me what a fab boy DS1 was and what a great mum I was. Then in the next breathe would be criticising DS1's manners (and mine Angry) and telling me I was too soft on him. Hmm It's all just another part of the head-feck game of theirs. They are quite able to to hold two entirely contradictory beliefs at the same time and don't see anything wrong with it!
Sorry to head DD wont be seeing DSD - any chance of contacting DSD's Mum about seeing her sometimes, for DD's sake?