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support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
butterflymeadow · 18/04/2013 21:20

Yes, was thinking about contacting dsd's mum to say she is of course welcome in the house here and to see dd. Don't really want to say more than that on this thread. I think the worst is that I fully expect him to bring dsd to see dc2 when she is here and cut dd out. I am waiting for that one. But that is for a different thread a different day. I think it is worth letting dsd's mum know she is still welcome here though.
fi not getting your oblique reference but that is okay, don't feel you need say more than you wish, but if something good has happened which makes you happy, then really pleased to hear it Smile

minkembra · 18/04/2013 22:00

Thanks butterfly. Yes i am trying to see things a bit more from a childish perspective instead of always from the oh no more mess more work. But at the dame time having kids that i am not terrified to leave in someone elsr's house.

We are working on trust respect and responsibility at the moment. fingers crossed.

I think that it a nice idea re. dsd mum and also best to keep your relationships with other people direct rather than having fw act as a go between.

Wad really flattered that ex's dd (who shall be referred to as dsd even though technically she is not) felt she could come to me for advice and said that i was like having another mum Smile made my week.

bountyicecream · 18/04/2013 22:23

fi I think i've missed a back story, but I'm super pleased for you that something good has happened for you today. Grin

butterfly I second having lovely unplanned funny moments with DC when you stop being the 'strict mum' that your FW demands. I think so long as we are firm most of the time and at the important times then these really are the times that make life the best. And deffo contact FWs ex-wife if you have that sort of relationship with her to see if you can ararnge meet ups for DD and DSD. He can't control what you and his exwife do in your own time Wink

bountyicecream · 18/04/2013 22:27

Aw mink that's lovely from your DSD. Lucky she has 2 mums given that she hasn't much of a father! I know that sinking 'how much work have you just caused me' feeling when I found DD having a lovely time throwing rice around the kitchen. And the cat enjoyed playing with it too. But boy did it take some clearing up. I suspect I'll be finding the odd grain for weeks to come

minkembra · 18/04/2013 23:21

bounty rice has reminded me of glitter gate.
The entire dining room up to about 3 feet with fall out in the kitchen and living room gradually spreading to encompass the entire house.
Glitter is banned in my house. never again. it always ends in tears. usually when it goes in my eyes.

Ex used to be very close to dsd but not so much now she has her own ideas.

I am so glad we are still friends though.

FairyFi · 19/04/2013 00:11

thanks Bounty and Butterfly for uncondititional wishes. I'm not surprised, a bit Blush for posting it here, but wanted to mark it really, as monumental for me! Have made comment where its less noticeable as here seems quite open really for this maybe Blush knowing what we do about FW, trolls, and generally all those that fall into the 'shit slugs' category in life. Grin

... and just don't get me started on glitter!! or flooding! shower obsession

ColinCaterpillar · 19/04/2013 03:58

Urgh feel like an going cuckoo. Still in contact with FW who is taking great pleasure in telling me how all this is my fault because I'm the abusive one! He does not want to be in an abusive relationship anymore (yeah, me either) and I apparently need to take a good long look at myself. I am: a bitch, a c* and I am the reason this cocklodger doesn't have a job. My emotional needs drain him and stop him applying for them. While we are broken up, I must not see anyone or go for drinks. I am not to expect the same from him. But could I find it in myself to put some money into his bank account.

No. I cannot.

I wish I had the energy to respond to all his accusations and I wish I could sleep.

thepatioislumpy · 19/04/2013 07:54

Well done Colin How dare he?! Well, frankly I know how he dares - it's because he's an abusive arse. What is his name on your phone? Try changing it to 'cocklodger' and then if you must read his texts (rather than simply deleting them) you'll be doing so with that in mind rather than thinking he's the love of your life!

I am totally Shock at him being so very nasty (and unreasonable wrt you not being allowed to see anyone or go for a drink with anyone) and then asking for money!

thepatioislumpy · 19/04/2013 07:55

And don't respond to any of them, use your energy better and use it to move on Smile

FairyFi · 19/04/2013 07:58

glad you will not be funding him Colin Its a cuckoo situation, not you the cuckoo.

Simple answer to him, he must leave you alone then if you are all these things. and he doesn't like being in abusive relationship, he should frankly just bugger off! I guess he needs the money in his account for those drinks that he can have and you're not allowed.

Remember its not you, it IS him... you will rest easier when you cut him out of your life, block his calls, etc. I found to my cost that I didn't get out emotionally/mentally til I did this, as the abuse just goes on and on, and bizarrely is just as effective from a distance, until you stop the contact from him.

He's like a flame and will go out without the air, but it took me a long time way too long to take back control for myself.

minkembra · 19/04/2013 09:09

Colin you sound very decisive. stick to your guns. he won't change and this is all standard fare.

My ex used to accuse me of being controlling etc and how i was dragging him down. So i just replied saying you are quite right. good reasons not to be together.
And left it at that.
if you give them enough rope they hang themselves.

What he is hoping is that you will be forced to defend yourself or make counter accusations and so the dance will continue. but you have realised it is time to leave the floor.

Anyway counselling time for me.

ponygirlcurtis · 19/04/2013 12:46

Colin Shock!!!! What an eejit. I don't know why the behaviour of these FWs continues to surprise me! Ignore, ignore, ignore. If you reply at all, he'll think 'aha! she is reading these and paying me attention, now's my chance' and it gives him an avenue to draw you back in.

mink hope counselling goes ok today.

minkembra · 19/04/2013 22:37

Last counselling session. it was good. Got some of my concerns about the kids out in the open.
Also decided about the online dating, I am in no rush and probably not ready. don't really need anyone else and it is not some sign of failure if I cannot find someone. But counsellor said keep your eyes open your wits about you and trust yourself to either choose well or to cope if it does not work out.

So that is where i am at. mostly ok. just taking it easy. need to slow down a bit though.

fi hope your experience has been cathartic.

Wine cheers everyone.

bountyicecream · 19/04/2013 22:56

mink glad the counselling was good. Really hope you are left with a positive feeling.

Also good decision re online dating. There really is no hurry. I know that I need time just to get comfortable in my own skin before I can trust myself to choose well.

So hopefully you can enjoy life in the slow lane for a bit.

BTW glitter gate sounds a lots prettier than rice gate :) I guess that is an issue with twins that they egg each other on. I remember being secretly a little dissapointed at my 12 wk scan to find I just had the one - but about a week after the birth I can clearly remember thinking thank god there's only one of her!!!

butterflymeadow · 19/04/2013 23:08

Well, all I can say is that I got my comeuppance tonight after my gungho, it's the joys of childhood post last night - DC2 decided it was a good idea to pour water with the jug I had given him from the bath to the floor! And when I was not quick enough to remove the jug (towels on floor or jug from toddler?), his next target was me.
Anyway, glad the counselling went well. I did read that you should allow a month for every year of a relationship before starting a new one. That would mean, for me, July. There is no way. Like bounty says, I feel like I need time to just be me. I think you will know when you feel ready.

bountyicecream · 19/04/2013 23:16

Did you find your lips quivering butterfly ? I always find myself desperately wanting to laugh at the most inappropriate moments, even though I know it'll make things 10 times worse and that DD will then think it's funny to keep on doing whatever bad thing it was!

The month per year thing is interesting - that means about a year for me which sounds like a very sensible plan. Go through a bit of everything (birthday, christmas, DDs birthday etc) before even contemplating sharing those with anyone else.

To be honest, although I don't want to be a lonely old lady, the thought of introducing anyone to DD or committing to someone terrifies me. I just don' how I'll be able to trust myself becase for so long I thought that H was perfect. Even if I meet someone who seems 100% lovely I don't think I'll ever totally relax and believe that they will stay that way once their feet are firmly under the table. Ho Hum

bountyicecream · 19/04/2013 23:17
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minkembra · 19/04/2013 23:44

The online dating was a longish term plan anyway. was expecting to take at least a couple of years to meet anyone who makes it past the 3rd date. Have always felt i am a bit of an acquired taste so as i tend not to attract partners easily i should get a headstart and start kissing frogs now before the loneliness kicks in but actually I should just value myself a bit higher.

And yes spot on twins do egg each other on. but i realised i need to stop sweating the small stuff and be more fun and a bit less busy. They have been fab today. although there was an incident earlier where dd got laughed at by her friends at school and she was really upset about it. (i was there when it happened and swept her up but it was too late. she was totally humiliated and I could remember exactly that that felt like. tried my best to make it better but kids will be kids and it is one of those things that is going to happen. hope she will bounce back.

betterthanever · 20/04/2013 00:08

Pony thank you for my reminder but I was in bed.. then woke at 5am grrrr
And now, tonight, I am up late again Grin
Where is Bernard?
I have to be the world's worst internet dater Grin
think I should go to bed Grin
You girls are really great, wish we could meet up, this really is the only place I feel that people really understand things at the moment.

minkembra · 20/04/2013 00:15

Bernard is probably out internet dating someone in a tiny thong.
One night in the vixen i shall not even bother trying to correct any of his mis pronunciations. this week he is obsessed with husband heterosexual and pneumonia.

betterthanever · 20/04/2013 00:15

Colin you can't sleep for a night of two because your reasonable mind would like to make sure it has processed all the FW's rubbish out of your system to allow you to live the rest of your life in peace. Hope you and Isleep better tonight.

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 00:20

better I feel like that too!

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 00:20

I mean, re wishing we could all know eachother in rl and this being the one place we all understand..

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 00:22

mink so sorry re your dd feeling Sad Kids' emotions really cut their mums deep, eh? Poor poppet, it makes us so angry when they feel bad Sad

BreatheandFlyAway · 20/04/2013 00:23

Mink Grin re bernard (the bastard!)