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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

support thread for those in emotionally abusive relationships: 20

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foolonthehill · 14/04/2013 17:02

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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ColinCaterpillar · 25/04/2013 21:01

match I'm sorry to hear about the panic attacks, I've had them in the past and they are sooooo scary.

Yes bounty writing it down does help - and you're all right, there are cheaper habits and I will be richer in so many ways.

I saw FW today and well, if he's going for the prize for the most deluded FW on here, he scored himself a whole load of points. I present to you:

  • if you want me back, you just need to say yes to everything I want
  • you are terrible for believing we have broken up
  • if we break up properly, even if I get married to someone else, I want you to wait. I want you to waste your life waiting for me, if you love me, that's what you'll do.
  • when I left he followed me for a bit to check I wasn't going to the pub. Then wanted me to text him when I got home with a picture of my Sky Planner to PROVE THE DATE AND TIME
- then texted to say he didn't have time for 'this shit' before ringing me up to ask for £500 for a deposit on a rented flat. When I say no he yells that he NEVER WANTS TO SEE ME AGAIN. Then he rings back and asks for half the money instead. I say no. He tells me I'm a disgusting person for making him beg and now we will not be able to get back together because I am stubborn and financially abusive.
  • I am disgusting for accusing him of using me for money

I am actually thinking he s not just abusive, he's actually got a screw loose.

ColinCaterpillar · 25/04/2013 21:02
bountyicecream · 25/04/2013 21:06

Colin - wow. Just wow. He does sound a little like he has other issues too. What a charming excuse for a man.

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 21:07

wooooo Colin Grin Grin this is how I imagine him btw, not my reaction.

My reaction is... go girl

and totally in agreement the diagnosis. Screw lose ranking fairly highly on the FW Scales of behaviour assessment by the profs (Us!).

Keep writing, and writing...

thanks for the fan, much cooler now Smile - although could feel myself warming a little again there Wink

ponygirlcurtis · 25/04/2013 21:17

Evening ladies, busy thread today!!!

Nini - your struggling finances/expensive suit story is just horrible. He's a disgrace (but you know that Grin)! I was much poorer being with FW than being a single parent, because there was no joint money. I paid all the bills bar the mortgage, and bought about 75% of the food, all out of my meagre self-employed wages. I was paying around 60-70% of the household finances, to his 30-40%. FW, on his full-time teacher's salary, only paying the mortgage and the rest of the food, would sometimes give me a folded £20 on a weekend when I was off the supermarket and tell me to 'treat myself'. I felt like he might as well be pushing down inside my bra. But I always took it, because I couldn't afford to get stuff for myself otherwise. But it made me feel like shit. I've always been independent and had my own money and savings, he reduced me to that for the first time in my life. And yet even now, he's still insisting that I pay half the mortgage for the house that I have not lived in for more than a year.

Charlotte - it's not a delayed reaction - it's that he has no empathy, like other FWs. She wasn't anyone important to him, why should he waste time/emotion on her until it's expected? (No need to start calling him H yet, I don't think, he's still on probation!)

Colin - he's going six-for-six with me, I hooted at the accusation of you being financially abusive. Seriously, tell him to get down to the Comedy Store, he could make a fortune! But I still think he's properly abusive and not mad - there was a poster on here about a year ago (Anastasia, I think?) who's on-off boyfriend was just the same, the things he demanded of her were staggering! No shame! He's getting mad because his posturing and bullying has always gotten him what he wanted before, so he's just behaving the same way it's just that your eyes have opened. He might try some new tactics soon, as he can see that the usual ones aren't working. Really, delete his number!

Match - look after yourself, starting to have panic attacks is not good. Sending hugs. xx

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 21:40

apparently the cure for panic attacks is NC with FWs!

In addition, supplement with: luxuriating in hot bubbly baths, regular deep massages, lots of choc n Brew breaks, enjoying a good book in peace, lots of long peaceful sleeps in cosy bed, regular daily meditation, some Wine breaks, and the list goes on Smile possible to interperse with lots of own relaxation ideas, which might some stress busting exercise with good spa session afterwards.

Dosage: pick as much from the list as humanly possible and overdose self regularly.

Only known side-effect: feeling totally relaxed Smile

Never contraindicated.

butterflymeadow · 25/04/2013 21:43

To be honest fi the first line of your recommendation is 99% of the solution, the rest is trimmings.

butterflymeadow · 25/04/2013 21:44

Necessary trimmings, mind you, in case I sound parsimonious!

ColinCaterpillar · 25/04/2013 21:52

Funnily enough my depression and feeling mildly suicidal has abated since this kicked off with FW.

pony I'm sort of fearful for what his new tactics might be once he realises I can't be bullied like this anymore.

Regarding the phone number...I delete it all the time, trouble is, I know it without it being in there. It's me that needs to sort out one. But I haven't plucked up the desire to do it.

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 21:55
Confused

I want to emphasise how important that stuff is for us, to look after ourselves, just because its always the very last thing we ever do (IME Blush ) History has been DC and FW first

yes, [necessary] self stuff

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 21:57

Store his number Colin under the nn its your life's work to ignore me, or FW - must ignore , or similar that seems appropriately deprecatory and disciplined to help self. xx

ponygirlcurtis · 25/04/2013 21:58

Baby steps, Colin - you are doing so well so far, just keep focusing on the next baby step, then the next. But do guard against his next onslaught, which could well be 'the niceness' to really mess up your head. Just remember that whatever tactic he uses, he's doing it for his own means, not because he loves you or want to look after you or keep you safe.

ponygirlcurtis · 25/04/2013 21:59

Good idea Fi!!!! That made me laugh. And yes, definitely about looking after ourselves - I am terrible about taking that advice myself, but know it's what needs to be done.

minkembra · 25/04/2013 22:30

I have some tips that work quite well for panic attacks. they will not stop you having them but may stop them being so horrible when you do.
(i used to suffer from quite bad anxiety but it went away when i had the kids. (too fricking busy to fit them in anymore Grin))

thepatioislumpy · 25/04/2013 22:31
Sad
minkembra · 25/04/2013 22:34

Meant to say pm if you want the tips. Quite long to add to the thread.

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 22:35

I remember someone taking deep pity on me one day when I was out looking possibly a bit tired with LO looking like a tramp that hadn't slept for days, battered by a FW (pj's under outer-pretence at dressing) saying I must have some time for myself, they took baby and gave me 2 hours for some strict R&R. Home alone, I literally didn't know what to do with myself! I walked around the empty house, certainly couldn't settle to anything, mmmm... what to do to relax, I mused to myself.... by the time I had really worked on this and got myself a few ideas, yep, the baby was back ... Wink

I can only think that now must be 'catch up' time!

foolonthehill · 25/04/2013 22:36

Sad patio (((((((hugs)))))))) and an ear anywhere if you want.

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ponygirlcurtis · 25/04/2013 22:41

And me, am still up. xxxx

Fi - I am still like that when both kids are out of the house and I have free time to myself. I can't remember what to do...

minkembra · 25/04/2013 22:47

Patio!!

Colin he is unbelievable. but if you think about it these are exactly the kinds of things a very spoilt little child would say.
Have you met any of his family. bet they are bonkers/nasty/abusive/narc. that is some ingrained entitlement.
Sounds like you are disengaging now though.

Do watch out for the charm offensive. and then when he realise you mean it, character assassination.

I used to get i will have you back if you are nice to me. ex was mean with money but did not expect me to bankroll him.

I am going to csa too..which is not ideal. ex actually pays up in full on time no questions asked. but it is not as much as we would get from csa. that is because he still pays ex1 through csa and they have never been told he has more kids. she has no interest in telling them as she would get less. And he says he cannot afford to give my dcs more while he is paying her through csa. so i guess i will have to be the bad guy. although ironically i think he will pay less in total if i do go to csa.

thepatioislumpy · 25/04/2013 22:49

Thanks to all. Esp Fool.

FairyFi · 25/04/2013 22:55

not seen you rounds these parts for a while, hoping that means all quiet for you. Was the Sad a sympathy expression, or your own Sad. Hope youare ok xxx

thepatioislumpy · 25/04/2013 22:59

Own I'm afraid. Its a struggle atm. Think the end of my tether is rapidly approaching.

Going to stop now. Too worried about FW. Perhaps will pm various tomorrow. Its all exhausting.

BreatheandFlyAway · 25/04/2013 23:05

Patio Thanks Wine thinking of you.

ponygirlcurtis · 25/04/2013 23:07

Thinking about you all the time, pati, sending you hugs and support however you need it. If I can do anything, let me know. xx