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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:55

Phew I accidentally hid this thread and then couldn't find it, was panicking! This is my lifeline, I would be sucked back in by now without it!

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:56

bounty circular arguments Sad I know them well.

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:57

am intrigued by the phht AIBU thread - was it an inverse thread, a fw hunting one of us down or something?

bountyicecream · 24/03/2013 22:59

breathe yup - the only chance of ending them is to agree with him. There is no other possible ending. and he will keep going until you've been ground down to submission

PS this is my lifeline too Grin I know I wouldn't be at this stage without it.

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 23:02

oh Maggie Amazeballs! 6th April, hold your nerve lovely, I know, gets stressy in the run up, but you sounding like you have it so sorted. There is such uplifting news flying around here lately of brave ladies sending FW's to 'Far Side...'

Will be looking forward to that date on your behalf! In the meantime, stay safe as always.. your new nest awaits ((((hugs)))) xx

Like you say Mink better to be safe and protect here... but I reckon it would be the first place to head for for the real FWs right? Shame its not more hidden really, like the other one, but specific for this as the ladies here need such fierce protection, and the other one often just used as a place to 'skulk' ...

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 23:04

Fly happy for your good times and sneaking off with party favours to your own good company and happy thoughts of DDog Smile - any time Wink we look forward to meeting him/her at the Vixen one night ...

LemonDrizzled · 24/03/2013 23:09

Tis I love your boys!! I want to be a granny now. Come on DDs stop getting educated and bettering yourselves and have some babies Grin

My FW used to stalk me on here and once posted a weird inverted thread where he pretended he was an abused wife and I was abusing him. AF told him to make me leave. He didn't take her advice but I left anyway! That was a serious headfuck. I have namechanged so many times but can't be bothered any more.

Oh and the camping holidays... and the awful double bind of having to organise a holiday with someone I didn't want to spend time with then being criticised over everything.... I'm so glad I'm out of it!

Keep warm friends. Hot water bottle needed tonight I think!

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 23:10

OOh Fi may I pm you to find out what's "the other one"???

minkembra · 24/03/2013 23:14

Thread was a fw who admitted a abusing ex but was asking why is she not letting me see the kids 2 hours per week ( when it was by court order) when he is such a great dad.
the usual i know i done wrong but really poor me and not actually taking responsibility fwittery.
Apologies if this is anyone on here. but the same op has been leaving all kinds of random poor me and lovelorn posts elsewhere. obviously trawling trying to find ex so he can play the victim.

minkembra · 24/03/2013 23:18

I token am curious about the other one.
This one gas to very kids d of obvious though or half of us would never get here.

I cannot remember if i found.d thus through search h or if someone possibly AF suggested it...although i of course said who me? He was not abusive. just a bit shouty.

minkembra · 24/03/2013 23:18

I token too am curious.

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 23:21

Re the only chance of ending it being to agree, I did start doing this, especially when I realised he was trying to provoke a response. Just saying yes FW, no FW, that's right, FW, whatever the agreeing phrase was. He didn't like that either, but I knew in my heart I was leaving by then. And it was easier to see he was trying to get a response.

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 23:24

On the subject of snow, I was going to NC to something more springlike a couple of weeks ago!

Night all.

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 23:30

Nighty night xxx off to read my comfort book Smile

minkembra · 24/03/2013 23:47

Good lord. just read my post. phone is on extremely random mode tonight. apologies!

Should have said: this one (thread) has to be kind of obvious or half of us would never get here.

If you have a Pub way out in the middle of the moor best have some lights on. Grin (even if it is just the glowing tips of the shenanigans out the back Wink)

More embarrassing the poster referred to in cryptic Remarks earlier seems to have same random phone nonsense going on. it is part of his style over several threads which makes the sock puppets a bit obvious. it is NOT me. Grin Blush as i said op has gone pht but pm me if you want to know nickname to watch out for. soz to be so cryptic paranoid. and also for my phone and its presumptive text meets fat finger typist mode.

trustissues75 · 25/03/2013 00:04

Well bloody hell...I think FWEXH has found me on here...

FairyFi · 25/03/2013 00:16

have pm'd..

Trust ... what! no? really.. what a dick /knob and true FW to follow you around and creepy stalky harrassing twunt.

FairyFi · 25/03/2013 00:19

don't people often/mostly/always get led here tho? I guess anyone persistent stallking and creepy enough would find anything they want to find though really wouldn't they. FFS they never get any message do they so why would they stop at anything .. FWs

minkembra · 25/03/2013 00:32

This thread shows up in active threads a lot and also if you search for emotional or verbal abuse. so if you thought someone you knew was posting on mn about that you would end up here.

which.is of course good if here is where you need to be.

Fortunately my ex probably won't find me that way as he does not think he is abusive.

Don't want to scare anyone off. any fws turn up here we can get them by the dirty wotsits and sling them back out the door. Grin

minkembra · 25/03/2013 00:33

trust hope you are ok.

TisILeclerc · 25/03/2013 07:03

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trustissues75 · 25/03/2013 07:39

I'm a bit shaken up to be honest ladies - he'll probably take everything I've ever written on this board and chop it up into convenient little excerpts that can be moulded into making me look like the crazed, incapable, vindictive, access-blocking mother I am not.

I could be being paranoid - after all, isn't that his aim? To frighten me into saying "There you go, Mr FW, take DC around the UK and then to Paris without a court order, my lawyers and other child welfare professionals have no idea what they're talking about; I just know you won't act in any way that will uproot him from the life I've built for us over the past two years - you merely want to visit with him and him to visit the States."

The thing that alerted me (I don't even know why it suddenly popped into my head) was a post I made a while back and someone came on and commented on there - MNHQ deleted it immediately, I never saw what that comment was, but that person never commented or posted before that time and has never since....and doesn't have a profile...seems a bit odd, or is it just me looking over my shouder as usual?

trustissues75 · 25/03/2013 07:41

Ooh, about the changed thing...I got the same thing too Tis - no shit Sherlock! Living under so much pressure changes people....and the FW's get to pass the blame, as usual....

trustissues75 · 25/03/2013 07:43

Oh also, FW has no idea as far as I know that I post here - I didn't find mumsnet until after he dumped us here - but mumsnet threads can turn up in google can't they?

FairyFi · 25/03/2013 08:16

aw big (((hugs))) trust you're in good company, we all know the way they extact and chop up and twist an everythin, same scripts. I also reckon the 'odd' one comes along and interjets nasty stuff here and there, probably thinking they recognise something in the posters comments that makes it about them. Thankfully they are few and far between. Yeah they can turn up in google, which is a shame for this thread, when its sooo sensitive and children/ladies at risk and needing protection.

take care xxx