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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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foolonthehill · 24/03/2013 21:32

Thought you would be....!.
Am praying that he shows his true colours, preferably in front of his pastor so it's not just me "seeing him" any more.

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 21:39

wanna see FW thread... any clues on title?

I'm never, ever, ever... getting back together Fool good luck with the meeting listening

Gorgeous boys Tis proud mum cake maker

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 21:42

Oh fool sounds a complete nightmare, just what exactly is he hoping to achieve. It is not the act of a rational person, so I would have thought his true colours were well on display.

Wishing you loads and loads of luck.

bountyicecream · 24/03/2013 21:44

leclerc - cuty pictures. And now i have finally seen the TofD! I have to say that your FW's texts acutally made me smile this am (in a queasy sort of way), they are so OTT that they made me laugh. Surely even he will be embarassed about those! I'm so pleased for you that you got that apology. It kind of validates you (not that you need it but it's still nice nonetheless). I'm another 'it's fine' person.

mink = that's too cryptic for me! Will have to wander to AIBU and have a look.

Discipline - another one who gets into arguments about discipline. I'm meant to watch H shouting at DD (who is only 2) until she sobs for any minor dismeanour (never physical though, thank god). And when I step in and object I'm accused of being a walkover, undermining him and not caring about discipline.

Holidays - it has been years since I've had any input into holidays beyond 'yes dear that sounds lovely'. The few times I've suggested something it gets shot down. If I have stuck my neck out and expressed a preference then if it doesn't turn out to be perfect (and lets face it, if I've chosen it then it won't be) then I get constant earache. Several years ago I researched my dream holiday. And he spoiled it totally by being so negative. Except for the 2 days at the start when we first got off the plane. Guess what? He booked that one hotel!

alice I used to get threatened with 'maybe we'd be better off apart' frequently until the day I said 'yes perhaps you're right' and since then it hasn't been mentioned since. And I wouldn't have kissed either. I think the 'not after the way you've treated me' response is perfect.

snowshapes I think my H is not happy now . but when I was submissive wife and he was in total control then I think he was happy. Basically he always got his own way and won every argument. It was rare for me to question him. I'm sure that even now he thinks the only reason we're not happy is because I'm being so awkward and how dare I

bountyicecream · 24/03/2013 21:47

Good luck fool (should you be taking a red cross emergency food package in case the 'hunger strike' has left him weak?)

Me too fi - can someone PM me if they stumble across it?

foolonthehill · 24/03/2013 22:05

Holidays...gah, we have had nicer better (and much cheaper) holidays since he has been gone. I can't remember a single holiday that didn't have most of DCs and me in tears at times and him stomping off/shouting etc and now we get to do what we want!
Proud emoticon...discovered camping is easier not harder without him!!(except for hauling tent out of car)

will take dried food rations and a thermos, just in case.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/03/2013 22:09

Take a roast chicken in your handbag, Miranda-stylee, and eat it messily in front of him! :o

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FairyFi · 24/03/2013 22:14

Mink couldn't find from your cryptics. Confused about how putting a link here would enable him to 'link back' to here?

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 22:17

Foool horrible holidays here with FW, I used to do all the work anyway. Friends noticed how he would wander to others and leave me to get on with it, and we'd always end up in tears. Now camping, just brilliant!

The tent pulls me to the floor when I haul it out the roof or loft!

minkembra · 24/03/2013 22:22

It has gone phht. Mnhq must have decided it was harassment unless he asked for it to be deleted

If you put link in it has title of thread in the link. think you can search on it and he clearly searches around MN stalking his ex.
May just be paranoid.

That said he has probably been here already.

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 22:30

ahso! so if someone creates a link, that person in searching for the link title can also find any threads that have linked to it? (even where thread title not displayed in the link).

You think he's been here! if ee's a FW ee's not gonna give up is ee.

FairyFi · 24/03/2013 22:30

hope you all doing ok with the heavy snow xx

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:34

Alice - I used to get the "oh well, you're just so fucking perfect" thing all the time; it's a kind of blanket wipe out of anything we say, isn't it.

Leclerc - gorgeous boys Smile I love both pix, they are so sweet xxx Also glad you got the validation of the apology from church person. I too am of the "Oh, I'm fine, no probs" ilk - we're not people pleasers, we're pleasant and normal. It's the fws who aren't Smile

Fool I too am sleepless with worry over your fw wasting away Shock - if you airdrop rations, ensure they are heavy tins Grin

Oh dear, have had a very full on attempt from fw at reconciliation. Fended it off, remained true to self, but this is bloody awkward being under same roof.

MaggieOnTheSofa · 24/03/2013 22:34

Hi ladies, so sorry I have been missing in action....FW got rid of the internet connection here for a while and has been watching me like a hawk on my phone so couldn't risk posting Sad We are now back on line thank god and he has gone back to going awol to the pub, phew. I am still here with him but have mine and my little babies new home sorted - has been really really hard as I will be on benefits but with me sending through copies of my P60s for the last 10 years and getting a reference from my old work place the landlord seemed to be ok about my temporary out of work circumstances. Have to get final tenancy agreement signed this week and if all still ok will get the keys on 6th april. Until then just trying to keep my poker face on and get as much stuff in house prepared in secret to get out of here. Am scared about this final step but have got this far Im not going to stop now. FW is going between angry, sulking to suicide threats. It pains me to think this time last year I would have been sucked into his little world and gone crawling back. I have you ladies to thank for giving the strength and determination to get this far in my journey and detach from the FWerty. You haved really been my life line xx

Am so sorry Ive not been able to read through the thread and he could walk in at any minute now so need to log off but hope you are all ok and think of you all everyday. Will be back on again soon hopefully. Love, strength and hugs to you all x

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:35

Fi thanks honey for all the ddog info and support Smile [woof]

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:36

Maggieeee so pleased to hear from you (((((hugs))))) and to hear you're progressing. Lots of xxxx and Smile for your moving on and your plans. Take care lovey xxxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 24/03/2013 22:40

I am unfeasibly excited because I'm not working tomorrow - hooray! Hence the lively Sunday night posting! We've had friends round (veneer of normality ha ha) and that was nice and fun, now I have fended off the come-on from fw and escaped to my eyrie, having snatched bottle of wine from party rations and am sitting with dcat, dlaptop and dthreadmates Smile dreaming of ddog!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 24/03/2013 22:40

Wonderful to hear from you, Maggie - roll on April 6th. xx

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bountyicecream · 24/03/2013 22:40

Yay Maggie - fingers crossed for the 6th April. Stay strong x

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 22:42

bounty you are probably right. FW says I have changed but what he means is I stopped bending over backwards to accommodate his every wish and started challenging things. The only way our relationship would have worked was if I had moved to where he was, continued to work fulltime so that we were no financial drain on him, organised everything just the way he liked it, right down to eating what he said when he said, trained the children (or my DD at least) never to question him and do everything right, made myself available for sex in whatever way he wanted, put all the crockery in the right order depending when it was last used, and organised all the renovations, socialising, etc. Phew, knackered just thinking about it. But that would have made him happy. It is a caricature, but only slightly. Anyway, that brings me to people pleasing. I have displeased him by leaving the relationship and that is why I feel anxious, i think, but I could not please him in it because it was impossible. I tried.

But YY to being awkward, that was the jist of his little outburst to me on Saturday. sigh

Laughing at the chicken eating though.

minkembra · 24/03/2013 22:43

Maggie Grin

I am not sure about the link thing. just being extra cautious cos we don't want him here. twunt exrraordinaire.

Oh definitely take his favourite food stuffs to hunger striker. tell him you are eating for both of you Grin
good luck getting him to get the message not holding my breath.

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 22:44

Yay, Maggie, lovely to hear from you. I lurked when you posted before and was worried how you were doing. All good wishes for April 6th. Stay strong and poker faced!

snowshapes · 24/03/2013 22:47

Actually the sad thing about previous post is that I don't think it really is a caricature. Even then it would not have worked as he did not love me, he loved the idea of me or of someone he wanted me to be.

minkembra · 24/03/2013 22:53

Yy to you have changed. ex said i remember you used to be a laugh. Yes i remember that too Hmm wonder why i stopped.

Starting to see the funny side again now though Grin

bountyicecream · 24/03/2013 22:55

snow I think we are nearly married to the same man (except for the sex thing - why would H ever want to touch someone as physically repulsive as me!!! or maybe the OW explains his lack of interest in sex )

But tick to eating what he says when he says, using the right piece of crockery (ideally 2-3 times each cup/plate - woe betide me if I actually tidied something into the dishwasher after a single use), never questioning him, must keep working FT ....

I was thinking that we have been arguing quite a lot but actually we have been having the same 1 or 2 arguments for the last 10 years that go round and round for ever and never reach a conclusion. I'm a bit bored of them by now! Grin