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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 10/04/2013 13:01

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ponygirlcurtis · 10/04/2013 13:31

Good idea. And play FW bingo in your head to amuse yourself throughout the meal! I'm sure he'll do very well at it.
Just think what his plans for tonight are - happy family all together, showing you how he's changed. He'll be on his smarmy best behaviour. Keep that thought just behind the little smile that will be playing on your lips as you see how utterly, utterly pathetic and deluded he is.

Does he have any comedy food allergies that you could ask bribe one of the waiters to accommodate, a la Pierce Brosnan at the end of Mrs Doubtfire?

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ponygirlcurtis · 10/04/2013 13:56

Maybe you could take some in your bag, to slip into his starter....? Although that could be a hard on to explain away, why you carry around some emergency vacuum-packed mussels. Hmm

Take it easy on yourself today hun, and maybe plan something nice for yourself tomorrow to look forward to?

TheSilveryPussycat · 10/04/2013 14:24

Tethering I read the Resolution website before starting divorce proceedings. Its lawyers practice collaborative resolution with regard to divorce (as well as doing it the ordinary way). How this works is that each instructs a Resolution solicitor, and all 4 of you sit and negotiate. The down side is that if you can't agree and have to go the court route, then you both have to appoint new sols.

So I found a Resolution sol, got the leaflet and the addresses of other R sols in the area, gave them to FW and he - did nothing! He represented himself, as all sols are bloodsuckers who make up work to fleece you!! He refused to even supply financial details, and his only contact with a sol was to get a free initial interview in which he was told he should get half.

I had to start court proceedings re settlement to get anywhere. Sol advised that these days we also needed to try mediation, even if it got nowhere. She referred us to mediation service, who wrote separately to each of us asking us to make an appointment. I made an appt, FW did not even pick up the phone or reply by letter. I went to appt, as FW had not responded to letter in the 3 weeks since they'd sent it, mediator signed it back to sol. I do believe in cases of abuse you aren't obliged to attend mediation anyway. My appt cost £100 (not on legal aid) as would FW's have done had he had one.

I am feeling a bit better now, poorly tummy, but recovering from DF episode. Something like this often happens when we see each other, but this time I do not think I'm prepared to have it happen ever again.

minkembra · 10/04/2013 15:10

silvery bit of an Off topic but seeing as I know you are a fan of The Archers- Paul EA or not?

tethering afraid I have no relevant advice on divorce or mediation.
tis good luck for tonight.

re. killing off maggie T I have been advised that I might like to watch Sir McCartney's biopic but I'd be gutted if I put myself through it and he survived Wink

TisILeclerc · 10/04/2013 15:25

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TheSilveryPussycat · 10/04/2013 15:30

Yy to Paul EA imho.

No! Don't kill off Macca. There's only 2 Beatles left... John was my Beatle Sad and poor George Sad

betterthanever · 10/04/2013 19:35

Tis the book is coming back out tonight...... FW is still on the scene..... my sol rang today a book about himself to introduce himself to my DS has arrived... it is only 6 weeks late !!! so now the review court hearing will have to be put back (oh yeah I have to pay to do that and he doesn't). He knows exactly what he is doing....
My sol described the book as `quite unbelievable' so god knows what is in it!! I get it tomorrow...she said she felt sorry for my friend who has to go through it with DS and I feel for my poor DS who has no idea this is coming.....
He's managing to still control me, still claim benefits and pay a mortgage (three years now), pay no child support (never has), drive a virtually brand new car with a fee disability tax disk... he looks fine to me....I know his mind is not....but surely you don't get one for being a FW!
How is this man still being allowed to try and control me.... and how much closer is this system going to allow him to get and then what will he do to us both?

ponygirlcurtis · 10/04/2013 19:45

better Sad Angry - you're right, he knows what he's doing. Does DS have to look at this unbelievable tome? (Or is this the indirect contact that you mentioned before?) Are you going to be able to read it before DS does, in case it's not suitable? (Surely, he'll never know if DS doesn't read it?) Sorry, seems like I'm firing questions!

Leclerc - am sending you positive 'ohhhhhhhhhm' vibes to get you through tonight. Wine when you get home.

Saw FW earlier, for his normal Wednesday evening with DS2, he was remarkably friendly and nice to me. Don't know if it's still because I apologised on Saturday or what! Still makes me a little sad, for what could have been - it's so nice, when he's being normal and nice. I could quite easily be drawn back in... But not really, not now. I know I still have some latent feelings still fancy him but now I'm sufficiently detached that I would never go backwards.

How's everyone else tonight? Alice, how have things been this week after shelf-gate?

BreatheandFlyAway · 10/04/2013 19:47

Silver glad you're feeling a bit better and somewhat recovered from the dad incident. Sorry but off topic, I did do a bit of a childish snigger where you wrote "R sols" - silly me Grin I think some subliminal expression you were having there Smile

Leclerc good luck tonight, I'll be thinking of you fending off sliminess. Keep those pants burining Grin

Re Macca - I'm afraid I agree with mink - creepy looking now and can't sing for blooming toffee these days, he needs to retire gracefully, methinks! My fave Beatles were George and Ringo. John always struck me as a hypocrite - sacrilege I know - but all the Love-In stuff with Yoko but he couldn't be arsed with wife 1 plus, more importantly his poor first child. I liked young Macca for writing Hey Jude for the poor mite.

Oh, complete digression, you'd think we were in the Vixens already!

I keep fecking well giving fw here more and more home truths, to which he gets arsey and fwitty at the time but then bounces back being even more adoring the next day. It's hoovering clear and simple and I remain unaffected but I'm going to end up being the bastard in this, to the kids.

BreatheandFlyAway · 10/04/2013 19:50

Sorry better xpost. I'm so sorry to hear about the fwittery you are experiencing Sad Angry

Pony snap on the horrible pleasantness Hmm

TheSilveryPussycat · 10/04/2013 19:59

R sols are far from that!

When John was my Beatle all that was still to come - and at first they kept it v quiet that he was married to Cynthia.

The older sister of a friend of mine at uni was at Liverpool Art College with JL - she said he was an arse.

Agree Maca should retire gracefully.

My own FW never did any pleasantness. I self-hoovered!

minkembra · 10/04/2013 20:01

pony was feeling exactly the same about my ex last week. sure it Will not last and i keep vile email to hand in case i ever need reminding.

breath those are my feelings about the beetles exactly including the bit about hey Jude. exactly Shock

better that is do grrr. what is 'the system' doing to support you. if he delays things that then cost you money is there no way he can be charged costs?

MrsMorton · 10/04/2013 20:13

mink it's good to keep solid thingslike that to remind yourself otherwise you could start doubting your memories, certainly for me a spot of gaslighting has made sure I never really trust my own mind... but the mean texts are saved on my phone which helps when I waver.

BreatheandFlyAway · 10/04/2013 20:20

Yy mrsmorton and mink re keeping self validating evidence. I also talk to a couple of dfriends who are ea escapees which keeps my head straight.

MrsMorton · 10/04/2013 20:22

Ooh, breathe, that must be lovely because it's so easy to doubt yourself isn't it? I cried while facetiming a friend tonight, I think they were surprised because I'm normally the level headed and strong one... H is away atm and it's been fucking bliss although I get an hourly text asking what I'm up to. I've unplugged the housephone which I know is naughty but I couldn't be doing with him checking up on me too much.

minkembra · 10/04/2013 20:50

Mrsm enjoy the peace. Unplugging phone is not naughty. perhaps it has developed a fault Wink

Re. posts earlier- Are they stupid or lying. i think they actually gaslight themselves too.

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betterthanever · 10/04/2013 21:27

Tis glad it is over for you, you have been the bigger person but glad to hear it will never happen again.
Pony I don't suppose I have to show it to DS. I will see what is in it - he claims to have a dog (so he will feed that but not his DS) he doesn't even have one - I have made enquiries via a professional person Re: his life IYKWIM. He has put a photo of a dog in the book -that is all I know. Not many words my sol said... he does have a problem with them so god knows what would happen if it gets to letter communication. I guess when you tell so many lies for so long it's hard to remember what you have said to whom... no wonder it's so late.
My friend has to sit with DS to go through it, she will do the statement to say how my DS responded then we review if contact can progress. School have to be told and if there are problems there they can report it which is good.
If you are suddenly desperate to see your child would you take 6 weeks and just send a few photos?

I get no support mink I have to be the support for my DS in every way, they don't do costs in family cases but I will raise it - we will see if the case is put back - their side were the ones who asked for it to be brought forward from the date we suggest.. control... control... control.... there is a child involved here - he has NO idea what being a parent is like and still refuses to support financially - where he thinks this will go god knows.

betterthanever · 10/04/2013 21:30

Mrsm unplugging the phone is the right thing to do - enjoy the peace. The distruption to that must make you feel sick, it does me.

BreatheandFlyAway · 10/04/2013 22:02

better that sounds so very stressful Wine I am so sorry you and DS are going through this.

MrsM def the right thing, unplugging phone. Enjoy your peace Smile

Leclerc I'm glad it went ok and that you feel relatively ok after the event. My fw is also being disney dad and husband, it's so fake, I can't help laughing at him because it's so tragically ironic that he's doing and saying all the things that would have turned my world around a couple of years ago Angry then when I laugh (disbelievingly), he smiles in an understanding way Angry. The mask slips of course and that old hectoring tone and dogmatic insistence comes out at the slightest provocation.

ponygirlcurtis · 10/04/2013 22:10

Phew, glad it's over for you Leclerc. Glad it wont be happening again. It's done.

DS1's dad (not a FW, just an eejit) used to drink 3 pints before driving home, and would drink the third one really quickly because then 'it wouldn't have time to get into my bloodstream'. Absolute bollocks, obviously.

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FairyFi · 10/04/2013 22:26

I'm up for joining the 'reccy' of the outer herbrides Fool, well anywhere really, just so long as its as far as possible.

excuse me a mo ladies

FUCK NOT DRINKING!!

I am imbibing in RL, been too scared, but spent the day doing full on DIY with 2 teens creating havoc around me, and I knackered and want peace, rest and, just a little, Wine

I know its only Wednesday, but I'm on me hols, so F that too! Shock

Grin Grin Grin Grin

I'm sorry I've not had chance to catch up, I hope you are ok ladies.. will read another time... hugs to all xxx (and many thanks for your thoughts over scarey 2 week wait lovelies)