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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
ponygirlcurtis · 07/04/2013 23:09

Ah bounty, if only that were DS1 being assertive - FW is not his dad, just DS2's dad. I think DS1 and his dad were having a conversation about his dad telling him off, and his dad was protesting that he didn't often tell him off. But it shows that being shouted at was on DS1's radar for what shouldn't be happening, so at least he knows it's not right.

(I initially thought mink was talking about our Maggie as well!)

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:10

True - prob best not to go for MT style tips and I think we are safe to allow ourselves to be a little softer. Smile

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:13

Well pony I'm still impressed that he will stand up for his opinions (which are very correct too). I presume his dad is not a FW.

ponygirlcurtis · 07/04/2013 23:19

prob best not to go for MT style tips and I think we are safe to allow ourselves to be a little softer.

Grin

No, bounty, DS1's dad isn't a FW. Just a normal eejit!!! He's a good bloke underneath, but has his own ishooos that led to us splitting up. We get on well now (took a while, mind...).

minkembra · 07/04/2013 23:24

My dcs especially dt 1 have been saying they want their dad back. i don't know what to say to them. they know some of the things he did were not on but they miss him.

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:24
Grin

Am off to bed now too [tired]

minkembra · 07/04/2013 23:25

pony Grin about hairdresser. cannot picture myself in a twin set either.

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:26

Sad mink that must hurt. I haven't much advice as I haven't left yet and DD is only 2 so unlikely to be as vocal.

Can you explain that hopefully with time they will see lots of their Dad, just that he won't be with you. Do you think he's going to step up to the plate and see more of them?

MaggieOnTheSofa · 07/04/2013 23:30

In progress.........could not have got this far or be going through with this without you all...love and courage to each and every one of you Thanks...back soon xx

MaggieOnTheSofa · 07/04/2013 23:32

PS - aim to see light at end of tunnel in a few days all being well and safe, twin set and helmet head hair in tact! Grin

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:35

Yay maggie Great to hear that you're ok and safe. Keep aiming for that light - nearly there now. Grin

minkembra · 07/04/2013 23:41

Maggie Grin Maggie soon to not be on the sofa that is Grin

bounty i would not dare in case he does not. if he does not sort out his house i don't see how he can unless he finds a gf to live with. and although not sorting out his house is literally ruining his life, experience tells me he won't do it.

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 23:52

I guess all you can do is be honest with them and encourage them to be open about how they are feeling. In time if will become normal to them to see fw however often it pans out. How long have you been split up for? Do they have other good male role models in their lives? Will fw take them out places if he can't have them at his house?

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:16

arghhhhh!!!!!

Have had a fw hurricane. Am stashed into spare rooom with sofa in front of door. I have told him it is essential to me to live separately. I've told him I want a divorce. The wine helped.

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:20

He slagged off my dear and kind friends who came round tonight when they made a gentle joke - he made it into them being harpies who want to destroy me Angry He then invited me into his room (in his part of separate house and thanks o Wine Blush I managed to say everything I thought to his face and ask for a separation, divorce and told him I intended to move out Shock and that he would have to, too.

FairyFi · 08/04/2013 00:20

amazeballs Maggie go girl... awaiting next news flash.. stay safe... crossing everything xxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:21

Am feeling quite empowered! Could be the Wine Blush

FairyFi · 08/04/2013 00:25

aw lordy fly hold strong hun.. hand-holding.. so brave, stay safe, hope you have your phone fully charged and strapped next to the gun on your thigh close by. Big soothing ((((hugs))))) xx

FairyFi · 08/04/2013 00:26

escellent! Must get your Wine recommendation! sounds like good stuff Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:28

feck my phone and laptop downstairs, am on kids' computer Shock will have to wait till he's asleep to get my phone (and gun Wink ha ha)

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:32

all a bit last minute, innit Grin ha, I want to break free Grin

minkembra · 08/04/2013 00:41

breath yay to saying your piece. bit worried by sofa in front of door. how did he take the news?

bounty 3 months. he takes them swimming etc but runs out of things to do after a few hours. i may try to get him to take them more often if he cannot take them longer. but that is probably how it will be me pushing him to take them rather than him offering. have tried encouraging him to phone occasionally.
Don't know how honest to be. i have said is fine if they are cross with me about it or sad and that we both love them. but uf they ask me why it is a bit tricky.

Exciting news from Maggieand thatbreath. It is like when a friend goes into labour!

BreatheandFlyAway · 08/04/2013 00:44

mink was pissed off but not threatening. I was forceful Grin

minkembra · 08/04/2013 01:01

breath yay to being forceful.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 08/04/2013 07:19

breathe well done. Hope you can get things underway swiftly. I'd try and move out before you have the behaviour particulars sent out, as that made my FW totally lose it.
maggie I look forward to reading that you are safely ensconced in your new place.

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