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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 07/04/2013 17:47

At age 13 I made my DF sign a piece of paper saying he would hug me at some time. He didn't.

Years later he was upset and I tried to give him a hug and he brushed me off. However, some people with AS find hugging painful - yet more evidence that's what he's got Sad

Fi you are so right when you say
Its that hope springs eternal thing again? I would always hope it would be different, maybe it was your last ditch attempt to convince yourself.

  • but only if you meant it to apply to me and DF

This is a pattern that's gone on a lifetime - always hoping DF would react differently this time. And this is the pattern that kept me hoping with FW. My DF is not a FW, but he hurts those he loves without realising it. This kept me from realising FW was a FW for so long...

minkembra · 07/04/2013 18:12

Anyway kind of made some progress. ex had the kids for 5 hours this time instead of 3. He did say today it was a bit hard (diddums) because he has no base to go to. i.e. he can take them swimming or museum but not to his house as it as a building site.

And yup entertaining kids when you have no toys for them and they cannot just chill and for own is a bit tiring.

but whose fault is it that his house is wrecked?

Anyway have seen him a couple of times this week outside context of contact. it his been odd and has left me feeling a bit blue.
he was pleasant and he is looking quite fine. had to remind myself that i do not really miss himSad and that my vajajay is never to be trusted with any kind of decision making WinkGrin

i did say to him he needs to sort out his house so kids can visit (i'm not stopping him anymore- not that i ever except in his head) get on with his life.
After all he cannot be taking the kids (or any women) back to that bombsite. i suspect the latter may prove to be a motivating factor.

I need to stop with the fixing. i would like him to be there for the kids but don't think there is any point engaging with him.

Also told another friend today. one i have seen maybe 5 times since dcs. he said oh well you did most if the work anyway. won't be much change there. so everyone, even ppl i rarely saw could pick up the dynamic.

Which is what i think will happen with gb in rl. It is surprising what ppl intuit.

FairyFi · 07/04/2013 18:19

It kept me hopeful Silvery and yes, was thinking that might be going on for you. thats Sad the hug deal Sad

I do hope it is the AS as you suspect, I imagine it might make it easier to handle somehow, kinda less personal? Although, really its all impersonal, its just them and how they treat everyone. My siblings have different reactions to me and each other over their understanding of our parents' behaviours. I know I didn't think that my parent could help it, until I was a lot older and realised he never treated others this way, but thats another story....

Bizarrely, although I realised this for my parent, i didn't realise it for FW?!?!?! doh!

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minkembra · 07/04/2013 19:03

tis yay.
Rugs from tesco. runs off to look on internet.

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minkembra · 07/04/2013 19:32

I see they have a mink shag rug Grin Grin probably the one my vajajay would choose if it were allowed
Wink

minkembra · 07/04/2013 19:38

Seriously though. i am missing sex. have to watch this does not lead me into falling for the first bloke that will have me satisfy my wanton lusts.

And i don't think i have the energy lifestyle lack of self respect inclination to go for anymore one night stands.

ponygirlcurtis · 07/04/2013 19:52

Hahaha mink!!!!! Grin Blush Me too, on both counts.

I just wrote a big post on the subject, and then got too Blush and deleted it all!!!!! Hmm

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 07/04/2013 19:58

Me too-have realised that sex is the ONLY thing pretty much that I miss from being in a relationship!

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MatchsticksForMyEyes · 07/04/2013 20:30

Yeah, I don't think ours was normal. With me always having to initiate anything and be made to feel abnormal if I wanted it more often than he thought appropriate. I wonder what it would be like with someone who genuinely adores me. FW is the only man I've slept with. Blush

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minkembra · 07/04/2013 21:11

Our sex life was pretty good. he would occasionally moan on he did not get enough and times be a bit less keen but that is normal ebb and flow. (and he liked to feel hard done to about everything)
We had the odd falling out when i did not fancy it because he had been a twunt earlier but all he ever did was get a bit sulky or, ahem, sort himself out.

He definitely was not my one and only though but he stacked pretty well. was pretty generous and considerate in bed.

You don't want too normal thoughWink i had one very normal bf and the sex was a bit dull. Grin

so i not only miss sex. i miss sex with him. and he really is looking pretty fit at the moment.
Same issue as you though tis when would i find the time??

Anyway i would not have ex back and judging from the fact he has noticeably cheered up i suspect he is seeing some one (or several).

minkembra · 07/04/2013 21:13

Anyway i am going to eat Easter egg, drink vodka and watch the iron lady. i do believe she is the traditional cure for the 'orn (sorry been channeling Derek and Clive the last few days)

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 21:54

I don't miss sex. but I miss what I think sex could be like. FW is my one and only too. For the last few years I have suffere with vaginismus. In hindsight probably not that surprising when H has consistently told me how fat I am (I'm not), and every time we ever got physical all I could think was that he was examining me to see if I'd put any weight on. Plus he's not touched me for over a year well now I know about the OW then prob not that much of a surprise But I hope that if I ever come out of this ready for love again (hard to imagine now) that it might just be enjoyable and good!

I have a few "Do you's" for everyone?

  1. Everytime you reach a new goal do you find yourself feeling deflated when you thought you'd be excited. It's almost like being one step closer to leaving is not what I want.
  1. Do any of you feel that you are too lenient discipline wise on DC? I think often I am too soft to try to over compensate for H. Plus he mocks me when he sees me trying to discpline which puts me off trying. I'm hoping that once I'm in my own house without his mocking that I'll be able to set and maintain my own rules.

Also has anyone heard from Maggie. I've been thinking of her as I think this was her escape weekend. Really hoping it all goes well.

Sad for those remembering difficult relationships with DParents.

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 21:57

leclerc yay for the sofa and rug. I keep peeking at home furnishings though I know it will be months before I'm at that stage. Still a girl can dream though I expect ebay will be my friend

minkembra · 07/04/2013 22:05

bounty 2. I was often told i was too lenient with the kids. I don't think i was. However, i have been working on some boundaries with them to try to ensure they can see what I expect in terms of reasonable manners and help so that they know what they should expect from others and so they don't think they are entitled.
I am also working on the way I address them, teach by example and trying not to lose my temper. When they are totally ignoring me and time is short sometimes I run out of positive fun ways to motivate them to get ready and resort to shouting. i don't like it.

At the moment following another mn suggestion we are using screen time points. Sometimes I don't stick to my guns on this though. Blush

minkembra · 07/04/2013 22:10
  1. I don't suppose anyone feels brilliant about being forced into taking drastic measures to end their relationship when what they would prefer is a relationship they didn't have to run from. the deflated feeling May very related to the fact that every step in a validation of the rather unpleasant idea that it [relationship) really is not worth all the effort you put into the relationship so far. because it is sad. leaving is not sad. but having to is if that makes sense)
bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 22:15

Yes mink that does make sense. Wise words Grin . And yes I think you are right to a degree about being told I'm too lenient. As I've posted before, some of the lenience that I'm pulled up for includes putting on and taking off shoes/coat for a 2 year old. But I do think occasionally DD turns on the tears hoping that I'll back down over an issue. Usually I don't but occasionally I do Blush

ponygirlcurtis · 07/04/2013 22:42

I was also told I was too lenient, that I baby DS1, etc. I know I can be a soft touch, but I also don't think I am a pushover. And I once heard DS1 on the phone to his dad saying 'no, you don't shout at me daddy, neither does mummy', and I felt good about that. I generally don't. But I can get a bit snappy and bum-faced!
I also have felt deflated at various points - my parents were all jubilant that I'd agreed to see a solicitor (while we were still together), but as much as I was glad I had done so, I couldn't muster up their enthusiasm and felt thoroughly rubbish about it in all ways possible.

Not heard from Maggie - sending her good vibes tho...

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 22:46

Go DS1 pony I could definitely take some assertiveness lessons from him! Grin

minkembra · 07/04/2013 22:52

Goddam it i am finding myself nodding at quotes from.Maggie:

Watch your thoughts for they will become words, watch your words for they become actions, watch your actions for they become habit, watch your habits for they become your character, and watch your character for it becomes your destiny. What we think we become.

(very true of ex. he thought women were lesser and became a misogynist)

And... before she married DT ...she said something along the lines of I want my life to.mean something. i don't want my life to be about the laundry the dishes. i don't intend to die washing a tea cup.

Give her this age old battle axe had boundaries.

Today i am worrying about the old adage that women marry their fathers and men their mother. i always say i had a happy normal childhood but if i am totally honest my dad was a bit scary. not a FW though. but i hope to god i am not like my ex's mum!! Shock sometimes i wonder if i was a bit horrid to him.

bountyicecream · 07/04/2013 22:58

I definitely didn't marry my Father. He is the sweetest kindest man. But I think H married his mother as she is also a doormat to his Father.

mink you had me confused for a minute. i thought you were quoting Maggieonthesofa and thought calling her a battle axe is a little harsh and how did you know who she married. But then I remembered your date with the Iron Lady Smile

We could probably all learn a bit of battleaxe-ness from Maggie T

minkembra · 07/04/2013 23:06

Sorry yes MT.

my df is lovely these days. lets my kids.off with all sorts and has much more patience than me. not so much when i was a kid. sometimes i hear my mum nipping though and think omg that is what i sound like.

I suspect if we channel too much MT it will very a long time before we get any sex. normal or otherwise Wink

meryl streep on the other hand. she is fab.