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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:40

anyone see Bedtime Stories (I think it was called?) where he got a red Ferrari for 'Freeeeeeeee' - well its his expression/voice its said with Grin

foolonthehill · 22/03/2013 10:42

Tis i thought and fantasised like that too, (still do from time to time when it's tough) Blush. I used to think he would be happier where he was and I would be free to be happy and live again in a healthy way.....divorce was an impossible thought, death allowable.

Sounds cruel but i don;t think it is ,,it's just a way of imagining a better life than the horrible one we had/have.

Don't feel guilty.

MrsMorton · 22/03/2013 10:44

tis I do that as well but when I find myself thinking about it I immediately try to stop myself and I feel awful Sad

Head fuck

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 10:56

owning up... I have done since being separated Blush Tis but then I think about maintenance money [blushing even deeper shade]

ooops, of course, sorry Fool I know tis Silvery 'exploits' of hwich i speak.. I have been talking about FW in RL head buzzing/fucked

MrsM wish I was goal focussed right now and could join in the thread promises.

TisILeclerc · 22/03/2013 10:59

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TheSilveryPussycat · 22/03/2013 11:11

Me too (but no longer) - even though I knew I'd be in pieces Sad It wasn't ill-wishing, but considering all possibilities Sad and concluding that one scenario would improve my life Sad especially as at the time I had no thought of escaping, but was still at the stage of trying to make things better.

FW had a blood clot while we were together, and I did fear for him even though things were dire at the time, after this I think the fantasies stopped. A friend who was long divorced from her FW was knocked sideways when he died years later in an accident.

Heard FW has not been so well recently (nothing major) - and that he has seen medics about it and is being treated - and for that I am happy.

trustissues75 · 22/03/2013 11:43

Foolonthehill - F4J?! Oh good grief - that organisation cannot possibly be taken seriously - all they seem to do is bully, emotionally manipulate, attempt to control with crazy irrational stunts - it's full of FW's basically...if he want's to be taken seriously paerhaps FNF might be a better choice? They seem more inclined to try to work towards reasonable solutions and don't engage in typical controlling, FW tactics...pretty much says it all about your ex really doesn't it?

Leclerc and fairy - lol, the irony was not lost on me...last year he casually dropped into a conversation that he was going to be in Harry Potter World the next time he spoke to DS (DS cried) and in the next parcel of goodies he sent to DS couple of monthe later he included a brochure from the park as a "present".....WTF?!

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 11:49

Fool :( - but following on from Bounty's post - I have decided that the hunger strike and F4J go together - How else is he to achieve a 'fetching physique' for his spiderman costume?

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 11:50

Trust [anger] That is abuse - pure and simple.
Stop it and report it.
(don't mean to be blunt - just come over that way Blush)

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 11:51

Angry

trustissues75 · 22/03/2013 12:07

arthritic - the sending of the brochure from the park? I'd agree - abusive, manipulative, self-serving - I was mad as hell. I removed it from the parcel before DS really took much notice of it. He also sent him an official Harry Potter Cloak which was and is beautiful (DS wore it this past Halloween and looked fab in it) and a wand too which was also lovely, but there was just no need to tell him he'd been there with his "soon to be step-children" - that was just wrong.

FairyFi · 22/03/2013 12:20

oh! Confused so is wrong to promise a bedroom in [their] new family house, and then DD discover only her[gfs] children's names on doors (and call her 'stupid' for being 'a bit upset about that'), wrong to say they are going to spain (knowing she can't go), wrong to discuss trips and outings with DD, knowing these things not even agreed, wrong to promise a ddog to DD, then told no as FW gf completely allergic, and then say that they are getting one! sorry strike 'wrong' , replace with abusive grrr. Oh, and abusive to find out none of your [DD] belongings are welcome in their family home! There is no 'place' there for her, abusive to be deluged with presents at birthday, but NONE at Xmas, cruel bitch [fw gf].

Gonna stop, working into a frenzy hitherto unrealised fully over their disgusting abuses of DD.

LLOTT - I thank you for the space to rant

trustissues75 · 22/03/2013 12:33

That's awful, Fi!!!!

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 12:38

Trust - twat Angry
Well done for finding and removing the brochure - and leaving the cloak!

Dillie · 22/03/2013 16:35

fi that's awful :(

trust I would be livid too!

I also used to pray fw had an accident if he was late and felt really disappointed when he turned up. Blush Felt really bad, but now relieved I wasn't a twisted head case!

Well I guess fw have their uses. He dug me out of the snow today as he took skived the day off because of the snow.

arthriticfingers · 22/03/2013 17:19

Fi That is absolutely, horribly heartbreaking :( :(

trustissues75 · 22/03/2013 18:47

Fi....can you do anything about contact? That really is hateful hateful to a child.

TieredConfusedMummy · 22/03/2013 18:53

Sorry I've not gotten back sooner. H is being hyper difficult and observant atm. I honestly don't know fairy I go between being ready to leave and then feeling like I'm just being over dramatic and over sensitive. As you know my gran died a few weeks ago, and H never checks how I'm doing, is not being supportive, it's just 'me me me' from him.

Today he has been gas lighting to his max and using his change is deminure (sorry no idea how to spell it). Oh yeah and I have a migraine, due to all the stress I am under, and H is annoyed that it's 'just in time for the weekend'. Also had the quiz over spending for the week today, what I was doing today and having to explain myself as it's different from what he thought...

I wish someone could fast forward my life to after leaving him, so that it's all been done and I can then get on with my life. I just have no resolve or strength to do it Sad hell I can't even make my decision, I just keep changing my mind.

Sorry for yet another self indulgent post.

betterthanever · 22/03/2013 19:50

I haven't posted for a while but I have lurked to check you are all ok.
fool how would you feel if the hunger strike was a success? what a laugh with their `suicide' type threats - they love themselves far too much to deprive the world of themselves. I have thought what I would do if I got a call to say exp was dead and I have to say it would be a relief but very unlikely, this world would be a much poorer place without him in his eyes.
Not heard anything from FW for just over a month, he has not complied with the last court direction so who knows what will follow Confused, I have no idea what courts do in this situation esp. esp. as it was really the first thing he has been asked to do for his DS.

betterthanever · 22/03/2013 19:52

tiered Yo do sounds exhausted - I think that is just it, can you imagine being on the other side. The peace you would feel right now in your own home. What is the main sticking point for you today?

Dillie · 22/03/2013 19:55

tiered be gentle with yourself. You are bound to feel very up and down. I did before and to some extent still do.

Even now I wonder if I have made the right decision, but then he will be an arose and I will realise that I have.

Rest up. Tomorrow is another day :)

BreatheandFlyAway · 22/03/2013 19:55

TCM I feel that too, wishing for ff button Sad

Trust and Fi massive Angry on your and your dcs' behalfs at the sheer downright meanness of the fws' cruel mind games on the kids. Grrrrrrr.

Fi I am also in the guilty club in terms of fantasising about ahem - removal by fate of fw. It's because we feel so damn powerless. Of course if push came to shove we wouldn't want it to happen, but it's like lottery fantasising - eases the mind a bit. Don't feel bad!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 22/03/2013 19:57

Yy to having a ff button, Tiered. Being in this transitional period of trying to get him out is horrible and at times I've wished I hadn't started it. But I will say this: it is much easier to know I'm doing the right thing when he's not around. So go easy on yourself: if you don't have that space from him, how can you have space to think?

I think what you could think is: I keep thinking about leaving, so I'm going to try it. If I regret it afterwards, I can always go back. It'll be so much easier to think clearly from that position of being away from him.

But basically be patient with yourself. If you're anything like me, it takes a long time, but gradually you see more and more and are more and more certain what you need to do about it. (And even when I'm not sure, I lean on trusted people irl who I know are supporting me - I'll do it because they think it's the right thing to do when I'm not in a position to trust my own judgement.)

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TieredConfusedMummy · 22/03/2013 20:15

Thank you for all the support. I don't have that in real life, so it is hard to keep my head straight. My main sticking point today is how lonely it could be not being with him. He is all I have ever known and I remember when we used to be happy, right at the start. He keeps saying that it's me, I take things the wrong way, am too critical, too over sensitive, and I think what if he's right, and things could be great in the future if I sorted myself out and we had more money. And then I think to this guy I know at uni (I know I know...) and we just click, there is such a spark there and I can just be me and not worry... I don't think I ever had that with H. But again he's all I know, how do I leave that! It's petrifying, and when he's nice he can be good to be around.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 22/03/2013 20:20

Re death fantasies, I posted a few months back when H was taken to hospital suddenly that although he was seriously ill, I was feeling glad that he'd gone from the house. There was a small but significant chance of death that week, and I did have a small but significant hope that he would. It's horrid - but then I was used to it that time.

FW has also travelled a lot, and usually doesn't let me know if he's running late because I'm not significant enough to be thought of communicating with unless he needs something. (Funny how I can have the opposite experience of Leclerc in this regard and it's still wrong - no wonder some in the outside world think we're loons and impossible to please.) My fantasies would usually skip to a month or two after the news, concentrating on what I could do if I had some control over the direction of my life. I still didn't think there was much wrong with my marriage, though - thought it was normal compromise and refused to compare how much I was giving up to how much he would, because that would be mean and grasping.

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