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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 22:05

mink yy to other people thinking wtf about our concerns re ambush gift drop type of scenarios. Thank God we can understand eachother on here, although it's sad, the reason why we can.

On a happier note, I am typing badly because my entitled dcat has lodged himself partially under the laptop and is refusing to move [bugrin]

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 22:07

we need a cat and dog emoticon btw!

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 22:14

Go girls! You all sound so empowered.

Ambush gift drops!!! [bugrin] love the bunny ears.

Why don't they 'get' that things are just not the same anymore wrt the gift ambush, dropping in unannounced thing!?

I know, I often wonder how things are phrased 'his end', wanting to disappear again.

Bertiebassett · 30/03/2013 22:18

And Breathe....actually I am going to have my phone off while I'm on holiday. But then I'll be in another country and refuse to pay the extortionate mobile fees...FW will not like that one little bit though...

And yes he does phone and text me all the time when I have DS. I remember on New Year's Day DS and I were having a massive family lunch (12 of us I think there was)...it went on for a few hours as these things do. When I got round to checking my phone there were two messages from FW. One at 12.15pm asking if he could speak to DS....another at 2pm ranting about how he was entitled to speak to HIS son god it winds me up that he never calls him OUR son, it's always HIS son and why was I withholding contact. Apparently he texted other people too saying that I wasn't allowing him to speak to his son on New Years day.

I didn't respond to his texts for 2 hours FFS!

I pointed out to him that he could have actually phoned my mobile or called the landline...but he didn't reply...

snowshapes · 30/03/2013 22:24

Oh breathe and match sorry to hear about the extent of FWittery and abuse affecting DCs (and you too, of course). Do not believe it, I too am ripping a family apart apparently, you did not and do not cause their abuse.

Re the ambush gift drop, context is all. My dear friend down the road sometimes pops round unannounced, but she neither criticises nor judges nor expects me to drop everything, nor harrasses, or makes snide comments or any of those things, and material goods are not used to make one feel guilty for no contatct or a substitute for time and genuine caring etc.

minkembra · 30/03/2013 22:27

Breath and match [buangry] and [busad] what total FWs. I should count myself lucky all I have to deal with now are gift ambushes and there is no more shouting in front of the kids.

[buangry] reminds me. my two used to go on about the beasty bunny (who will be bringing eggs tomorrow)Grin (they have also been known to go on about 'fucking elves' too at christmas Blush not my fault!)

wish the beasty bunny would take the FWs away in a basket instead.

[buangry] boing [buangry] boing [buangry] all the way to the far side of fuck off.Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 22:29

mink the Far Side of Bugrin Fuck Off [bugrin]

minkembra · 30/03/2013 22:45

breath [bugrin] and Miranda style [bugrin] at bugrin.
and also at gnerally subverting mn emoticons for sweary purposes and childish buhmm. sorry I really am giggling extremely childishly now.

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 22:56

ha ha me too buhmm buhmm [bugrin]

TisILeclerc · 30/03/2013 22:57

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BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 22:59

Hi leclerc have a swift Wine in the Vixens. I will also visit GB's thread and offer any support I can. xx

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 22:59

buhmm & bugrin [bugrin] [bugrin] [bugrin]

oh and this

some light entertainment ladies xx

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 23:00

I think its a big grim Tis and finished... unless you find another one?

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 23:01

bit grim

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 23:03

fi [bugrin] at the link!

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minkembra · 30/03/2013 23:12

re GB on the downside after she went back she was looking a bit to keen on making excuses for him. on the positive side it has not taken her long to realise he is in fact still a fw. but otoh only at the expense of them all suffering his fwittery. fingers crossed it wont be long before she achieves escape velocity.

fi Sad you got a bit of a broadside on gbs thread though. don't think you deserved it at all Wine

TisILeclerc · 30/03/2013 23:13

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BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 23:17

where's the new thread - can find it am incompetent

BreatheandFlyAway · 30/03/2013 23:17

can=can't!

minkembra · 30/03/2013 23:22

sorry GB if that sounded like I was being judgy.Blush I too looked for the good in my ex and often thought he might change if I could just explain it to him better. I thought I wasn't doing a good enough job of standing up to him (in fact I caught myself making excuses for him in my head about 5 minutes ago and he is not even here)

I am glad you are seeing him for what he is (and realising it is not you it IS him).

escape velocity is hard to achieve.

it is well worth it though!

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 23:51

no .. there isn't one yet [fly], not a bad thing, as it was getting heated, I don't think I could take much of that full on comment as GB is braving in those threads; some people will wander off I imagine after a bit of a break from it.

I am still working out WTF it was all about! years later. Each person has to decide to do it or not, for themselves.

yeah substitute DH for FW in the link [bugrin]

FairyFi · 30/03/2013 23:53

cheers mink there were several stating support of my comments, just think its all got a bit bullish

BreatheandFlyAway · 31/03/2013 00:01

sorry to hear you had a hard time on there fi, I wish I'd been there to support you. xx

minkembra · 31/03/2013 00:33

I think people get frustrated because it is so much easier to say LTB than to actually LTB. this applies to lots of threads on MN. IYSWIM. so posters (I don't just mean on GB thread am actually thinking of some other threads I have been on recently) think once they have all come to the conclusion that OP should ditch their life they cannot understand why it is not done, just like that

threads update much quicker than people's RLs.

and the OPs don't just have an opinion about their life/situation they actually have to live their lives. they are invested in them. opinions however well meant are cheap. (I should know mine are given far too freely Wink) fi you are so right. it is bloody hard enough to make a life changing decision when you are free to make any decision you choose let alone when your every thought is shrouded in doubt.

in my core I knew for years that me and ex were not right. and he really was minor petty fwittery. but could I stick to a decision? even when he made it easy for me and walked out and I could have easily barred the door and put up the shutters in my heart/mind. FFS it was my house. and yet...and yet...

I came to the realisation yesterday that I had come to a conscious decision at some point that you get to a certain age you have to 'settle for what you can get'. having let the love of my life get away I settled for having kids with the only bloke that was prepared to have kids with me. realise I have done men in general a disservice by thinking he probably was not that much worse than any of the rest of them. there are far better men out there. far better. and even if I never meet one I don't have to settle anymore.