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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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TisILeclerc · 28/03/2013 19:46

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AliceDoesntLiveHereAnymore · 28/03/2013 19:46

I'll have to log off soon, but I'll try to peek in to read when I can this evening. Just won't be able to be logged in. Take care all!

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FairyFi · 28/03/2013 20:23

Trust grrrr Angry... to the stooopid FW twunt! It is cyber-stalking, and the police can do him for it, especially if he's been predictably abusive trolling

So sorry that the idiot can't let go of you, and has to resort to such desperate measures to get his sad kicks Sad

Yes, defo Tis Friday! just back from dinner out to celebrate DD's results this year.

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/03/2013 20:44

Hi all, I gather a lot has been going on but haven't had detailed read, (although did pm one of you).

Am at aged DF's recovering having a lazy time after Ireland.

Had a rather nice glass of rose not long ago, so now I'm at the Vixens I think I'll have another Wine

minkembra · 28/03/2013 20:46

trust he can't stop you/see you reading the thread if that helps and you can PM any time you need to vent.

I missed any FWittery- was it on this thread or elewhere? don't think it was the thread I spotted...as that seemed to be different circumstances IYSWIM.
different circumstances, same FWs.

tis your sanctuary sounds fab. EnvyGrin my house is full of 'whatever' furniture until I can teach the dcs not to draw on things Hmm jump on things HmmHmm and generally wreck the placeHmm so i about 15 years time Wink

minkembra · 28/03/2013 20:54

tis and I think that is an excellent attitude to take re. your church. I am no longer of faith but was for long enough and I am a believer in respecting the faith of others so I get it IYSWIM and it is so true it is about your relationship with God and I am sure you will either find acceptance where you are or you will find a congregation that accepts you.

If you do have to go elsewhere that will have the advantage that they need not know about it at all but if you do share they will not have been exposed to Fws charm and will judge your decision based on the truth of the situation in which case I am sure any person of good conscience will understand. It is still Angry that your current church are choosing to think you should stay with him just because they have not seen him as he really is.

BreatheandFlyAway · 28/03/2013 21:02

Ahhh, have retreated to my eyrie, entered the door of the Vixens in spirit, sitting on my electric blanket Blush with dcat, Wine and you lot... ahhhh again Smile

minkembra · 28/03/2013 21:23

breath cheers Wine
I have been pretending to myself I am going to spend last night before kids come back doing stuff but have now given in and accepoted I am going to spend it eating chocolate and drinking vodka and slobbing in front of the telly.

ex has not said if he is planning on having the kids in the next week. am resisting the temptation to text him to ask. Think he is trying to act enigmatic about what he is up to in the hope that I will give a flying fuck.

minkembra · 28/03/2013 21:51

Copied This genius post from elsewhere, which was also copied from another thread. hope they don't mind me reposting! respect to the MNer who came up wth this. she clearly knows her FWs

MIDLIFE for Dummies

Welcome to the wonderful world of Mid Life Crisis!! You are about to embark on one of the most perilous journeys you have ever taken. A journey fraught with intrigue and guaranteed to turn you inside out! This book is designed to help you make sure you get the most emotional bang for your buck.

In these pages are the "how to" answers to the questions you have been asking yourself about damaging as many people as you can along the way. Come on and dig in, it's time to get this roller coaster rolling on down the tracks!!

Chapter 1 - Choosing the Correct Speech

There are 4 basic speeches for you to choose from. They are:

a) I love you but I don't know if I'm in love with you.

b) I've never loved you, and we should never have gotten married.

c) We got married too young. I never knew anything besides you.

d) You tricked me into marrying you, I would never have done it otherwise.

Once you have decided on which speech to give, you need to cause as much anxiety in your spouse as you can before you actually give it. Continue to the next chapter for Lessons in building anxiety.

Chapter 2 - Lessons in Building Anxiety

You will find these lessons to be helpful in causing anxiety in your spouse and others (depending on the level of pain and damage you want to cause), not just prior to giving the speech, but throughout your MLC.

Lesson 1 - Monstrification of Your Spouse

This is easy to accomplish. Simply think of only the "bad" things that your spouse has done throughout your entire relationship. Have one of those "angel" spouses? No problem, just remember how bad she always makes you feel. DO NOT under any circumstances remember fondly your spouse, or anything they have done for you. Remember, they are going to be the cause of all of your problems, so it is imperative that you convince your self of this first.

Lesson 2 - Emotional Detachment

This will be very easy to do after accomplishing lesson 1. All you have to do is start reminding yourself that you don't care about them, what they feel, what they want, or if they hurt. Simple! Every time you remind yourself of this, you will get further and further away from your relationship emotionally. Now, that wasn't too hard was it? On to lesson 3

Lesson 3 - Mass Confusion and Indecision

This lesson requires a little more thought and attention. You must constantly practice saying "I don't know" to ANY and ALL questions. That is imperative!! Your spouse (and others) must never know precisely what is going on in-side your head. Also, never let them know where you are going, where you have been, who you were with (this will go hand in hand with the lesson on the Other Person, or OP), or whether or not they can expect you to return home.

Lesson 4 - Lies and Deceit

To get the most damage, and cause the most pain, you must lie and decieve at every opportunity. And to really achieve hall of fame status, you should be very inept at it, so that everyone knows that you are lying, or suspects, but can't prove it initially. This works very well for the following chapters, OP and Cake Eating.

Chapter 3 - The Other Woman (or OW)

Now it is time for you to succumb to temptation. You KNOW all of those other women want you! They have been coming on to you for years!! It is time for you to give them their chance at having some of you. Make sure that you leave a very confusing trail for your spouse to follow. One that lets them suspect, but have to dig and sneak (to make them feel worse about themselves) to find the information they need to prove it. Hold out admitting the affair as long as you can, and don't admit it ever, if you can get away with it.

Chapter 4 - Cake Eating

This chapter is designed to string your spouse along in uncertainty as long as possible, because as long as they have hope, they won't be able to go out and find their own lives and be fulfilled. Why should they get to do that, while you are so miserable? They shouldn't!! So, make sure that you are affectionate occasionally (not too often, as this will raise anxiety levels), that you drag your feet about making a decision on the marriage, and that you leave and come back several times (as many as you can get away with).

Chapter 5 - History Revision

It is very important that you revise the life you have lead with your spouse. You must use words like: Always, Ever, Never and All of the Time. Always precede the statement with the terms: you, I, and we. As in "you always nag me" "I never ever (double bonus here) get to do what I want" and "We have to do what you want all of the time". This will help to make your spouse feel like the way you are behaving is all their fault, and can cause them to feel even worse about themselves than they already did!!

Chapter 6 - It's All About You!!

Remember this is all about you! What you want and need, RIGHT NOW! You shouldn't have to wait until you can afford something, just go on out and get it! You deserve a new haircut, new clothes, and some new toys. You've worked for it. You would probably look great in that new Convertible, or on that new Harley!! So don't hesitate! You live in the here and now! So why wait until tomorrow!!

Remember, the word is CRISIS and if you are in one, EVERYONE else should have to ride the Roller coaster with you! It's no fun taking a ride alone, and you know what they say about misery loving company! Go on out there and get started, so much pain and damage, and so little time!

Chapter 7 - Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away

This chapter is to help you deal with the problems that your spouse will try to cause. We don't want you to have to "deal" with anything, now do we? You shouldn't have to "think" about any "issues" right now, except those that concern you "feeling good". The best way to handle this, is to Avoid, Ignore, and Run Away. Any time someone tries to make you see a more "reasonable" stance on a subject, simply Avoid making a reply...stare out into space, as if you are thinking about something important, and they will become uncomfortable and leave you alone.

If there are responsibilities that need your attention, simply ignore them. You don't have to do anything you don't feel like doing. And the best for last is Run Away! This can be accomplished in many different ways. OP's can help you Run Away from all of these "problems" as well as Alcohol, Drugs, New Sports Cars....etc the list is endless. Of course, you can always just leave...but remember not to let them know where you are going, and if you'll be back!!

Chapter 8 - MC and Therapists

Your spouse may ask you to go to counseling with her. This is only useful to make them feel better. It cannot possibly have anything to you so there is no reason for you to follow-up with anything suggested--it doesn't matter to you. The only thing you should look for is more reasons (excuses) for avoiding, running and ignoring (see previous chapter).

Chapter 9 - I Don't Have To if I Don't Want To and You Can't Make Me!

Remember that this is about YOU, and what YOU want and how YOU feel!! No one else is important, so don't let them make you feel as if you have to listen to anything they say. Your spouse will try to help you of course, because they love you. Don't let them get away with giving you unwanted advice. Let them know in the teenage vernacular, that they can't make you do anything.

This is important, you must be as childish as possible!! Any truly adult behavior on your part will only convince them that you are listening to what they are saying, and you will have to start back at the beginning. Of course, this technique can be used knowingly to cause more confusion and chaos, just beware of the danger, you don't actually want to start acting like an adult!!

Chapter 10 - How To Threaten and/or How To Move Out

You threaten to move out for weeks or months but you don't. ()You tell your spouse that you got too much on your plate right now to look for a flat but that you will do so in 2 weeks time. After 2 weeks, repeat from ().

If your wife wants to come too close to you, like entering your bedroom to talk to you, tell her to stay away or you will move out. When she replies that you will move out anyway tell her that you will move out faster if she comes any closer

Chapter 11 - Art of Clinging

The Art of Clinging to the End of the Mattress without falling off the matrimonial bed while still sharing it with your spouse.

Chapter 12 - Advanced Lessons

This is usually reserved for those in more difficult situations, where the LBS has responded not by tossing you out, threatening to leave, or filing for divorce, but instead persists in not only OFFERING to cooperate, but actually MAKING THE CHANGES you said you needed.

"I am tired of living like this/I don't want to live like this anymore/I am not going to live my life like this?" often is coupled with another advanced tactic, "It's not you, it's me".

This line is most effective AFTER the LBS has jumped through hoops and bent over backwards. It basically confirms that no matter what changes the LBS is willing to make, the incompatibility lies within the MLCer, who has no intention of, or implied desire or ability to, compromise.

Appendix

HOW TO MAKE YOUR SPOUSE THINK SHE IS CRAZY

  1. When confronted by the evidence of an EA or PA, become very indignant. Stress that the LBS is obviously just a jealous sob/bi*ch, and you are entitled to "buddies" of the opposite sex.
  1. Never, ever answer the question, "Are you okay? Is there something wrong?" with a direct answer that might actually lead to a discussion that might help the marriage. Continue to never talk to spouse, never give her/him a personal compliment or touch of affection and by all means work on the "cling to the edge of the mattress to avoid touching" manoeuvre that is so successful in making your spouse crazy.
  1. Always bear in mind that your spouse will expect you to want to at least give them the chance to "fix" the marriage. Since you have already checked out emotionally (of course NEVER tell them that!), you are under no obligation to actually listen to anything they say or acknowledge anything they do. This tactic is also extremely beneficial when they employ the MLC diet. When they lose a massive amount of weight and you are in ear shot of someone who mentions to spouse about the weight loss, say "Are you losing weight? Why don't you ever tell me things?"
  1. Of course one of the most successful ways to drive them crazy may only be used when you have earned the MLC Black Belt. Go to marriage counselling for months, let them pour out their soul to you and the counsellor and let them believe they are actually accomplishing something. Then arrange things so the spouse finds you in your own home with OW. This will accomplish two things: a. She will finally have to understand how lucky you are to have found your "soul mate" and b. She will be doubly betrayed because she thought you were actually working on the marriage.

DON'T LET YOUR SPOUSE GET TOO INDEPENDENT - STATEGIES FOR SUCKING YOUR SPOUSE BACK IN

  1. Make negative comments about OW or the chances that the relationship with OW will succeed. HOWEVER, under no circumstances, make any commitment to end the relationship with OW.
  1. Make veiled hints about suicide or excessive drinking or drug use. Be erratic and hard to contact.
  1. Do random acts of kindness such as garden work or something. That will keep your spouse confused and hopeful.
  1. Make vague comments hinting that things might work out between you and your spouse IN THE FUTURE. HOWEVER, under no circumstances take any actions to work anything out.

CUSTODY - Using the Kids To Your Advantage

If you have children, they can be extremely useful for inducing fear and panic in your spouse. Recommended phrases include, "You're poisoning my kids against me", "You put that idea into their heads", and "You need to do [insert pertinent action here] for the sake of the kids'." Remember, your spouse, being a responsible and loving person, is not only trying to cope with his/her own feelings, but trying to protect the children, and you can use that to your advantage.

Don't forget to use the fact that if you spend any time with your kids, you should get Extra Credit Bonus Good Parent points from your spouse. It doesn't matter if you feed them ice cream for breakfast and have them watch "Hellboy" when they asked for "Veggie Tales", you Just Wanted To Make Them Happy, and since YOU are the best judge of Happiness, that makes you Super Parent.

You can use this opportunity to trash talk your spouse ("Isn't this more fun than what Mommy/Daddy would let you do?" "Mom/Dad doesn't know how to relax.") which of course, will be repeated back to your spouse so you get the benefit of destroying their self-esteem second hand.

Highly advanced MLCers may want to start casually using the word Custody, but be very, very careful. While useful for sending your spouse into a state of panic, you certainly do not want to be responsible for a bunch of kids who will seriously cut into your personal fun time. The word Custody should only be used in a casual tone of voice for the most devastating effect.

BUTTON PUSHING

You (the mlcer) know a lot about your spouse. You know what pushes their buttons to get them both upset and/or happy. You have the power, you can do it! So using the kids to upset them is fair game (see section on how to use "custody" to upset them but not take on the "custody"). And if that ever stops working, find something else. Suggestions might include pets, valuables in the home, their appearance, family, career. Nothing is out of your reach since you have put in so many years getting to know your spouse--use what you know.

THE BLAME GAME

By now, you should be aware that all of this MUST be your spouse's fault, however, your spouse may not understand this completely yet, so you need to start planting the seeds.

There are several ingenious ways to put the blame on your spouse, and we will be exploring them all.

Method 1: The Non-Blame Statement

I'm trying not to blame YOU

This statement implies that you are "not putting the blame on them" but on closer look (which your spouse is guaranteed to be doing) The words actually put all of the blame on the spouse (where of course we know it belongs).

Method 2: The Passive Blame Statement

I don't think that I can live with you.
My opinion never mattered to you.
I can't live like this.
We rarely have fun anymore.
I don't want to live this way anymore.

These are passive statements that don't actually assign blame to your spouse, but your spouse will definitely get the idea if you use them. They can't help but see that it MUST be them that makes you feel this way.

Method 3: The Direct Blame Statement

You never listen to me.
You never put creases in my pants.
You use bagged salad.
You never keep the house clean.
You are going to do it your way.

All of these are direct statements of blame. You should mix actual faults with things that don't really matter to make it more confusing, and make your spouse feel as bad as possible about themselves.

Your spouse has probably already started doing the hard work to look inside his/herself (Yuck, what an awful thought!) and will take on all of the faults you list to try and correct them. This will keep them occupied for awhile, and you can avoid any serious relationship talks while they apologize for and try to fix all of their own faults.

Make sure that you don't actually accept the apology, that way you can continue to bring the fault up which will slow down their self improvement process. Remember, they are working on becoming better human beings, and you wouldn't want that to happen to fast, as that would interfere with your ability to string them along.

Note: NEVER ACTUALLY ADMIT TO ANY FAULTS OF YOUR OWN!!!! REMEMBER, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY! YOU ARE THE GOOD ONE, AND HAD THE RIGHT TO HAVE AN AFFAIR, LIE, SPEND MONEY, OR ANY OTHER THING, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT ARE BAD!!!

Let's not forget "We're just incompatible - we always were."

Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL. If all else fails, put the LBS down for being so willing to change herself for your needs. Also, when the LBS starts to make changes, make SURE you find fault with these changes, or point out how it's "too little, too late", or wasn't what you meant AT ALL."

How to keep you spouse guessing...be mean one minute threatening divorce, etc then next day be kind and sweet almost the way your spouse remembers you..rinse repeat....

HOW TO CONTINUE THE CRAZINESS ONCE SEPARATION/DIVORCE IS AGREED UPON

  1. Even though by now you, dear MLCer, have done everything human possibly to convince your spouse that you do not love him/her and want out, when the time comes to actually file, DON"T DO IT! This is the coup de gras of MLC. Absolutely DO NOT TAKE THE INITIATIVE. This is a most vital and awesome crazy-maker. Holding out will force your by now totally devastated spouse to finally throw up his/her hands and seek legal counsel.
  1. Once the LBS has had enough and decides that divorce is in their best interest, you have won HUGE points here. Refusing to be the one to file now puts YOU in the role of victim, bringing you all the attention and pity necessary to allow you to again regain your image of the abused one in all this. Now you can, with absolutely NO guilt, tell everyone the divorce was your LBS's idea (which of COURSE it was!) and they will assume that:

a. the LBS lost all that weight and obviously has been involved in an affair, and

b. the marriage ended because your LBS spouse is going through a - YES! THE PINNACLE OF CRAZINESS! - Midlife Crisis!!

Copyright The Midlife Club

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/03/2013 23:16

^"1. Even though by now you, dear MLCer, have done everything human possibly to convince your spouse that you do not love him/her and want out, when the time comes to actually file, DON"T DO IT! This is the coup de gras of MLC. Absolutely DO NOT TAKE THE INITIATIVE. This is a most vital and awesome crazy-maker. Holding out will force your by now totally devastated spouse to finally throw up his/her hands and seek legal counsel.

  1. Once the LBS has had enough and decides that divorce is in their best interest, you have won HUGE points here. (or have you? see below) Refusing to be the one to file now puts YOU in the role of victim, bringing you all the attention and pity necessary to allow you to again regain your image of the abused one in all this. (unless you are a FW over the settlement and contact, that is)^

Caution! This strategy can backfire. Your spouse may feel empowered, and it will usually give her the upper hand to file first. And all your delaying tactics, though annoying, will just give her all the more time to think things through and see through you.

(Am happy to report that last para written from first hand exp :) )

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/03/2013 23:16

italics fail Wine

TheSilveryPussycat · 28/03/2013 23:17

bold fail
bollocks

TisILeclerc · 28/03/2013 23:21

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FairyFi · 28/03/2013 23:25

? Tis

minkembra · 28/03/2013 23:26

Smile silvery

It would be good if they did the decent thing and fucked off to the far side of fuck off before making everyone else miserable.

Tis you ok?
But there is a certain satisfaction in telling them to sling it.Wine

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FairyFi · 28/03/2013 23:43

This means life is calming down for you Tis and we're just not used to it Sad We're used to living life on the edge, and it feels so strange when all goes quiet and finally we are left alone without anxiety and stress.

You have such a hectic life with 4 to manage (plus extra large FW # 5!).

big (((Hugs))) hun xxx cuddle up tight and hopeyou have a peaceful night. xxx

  • eyes won't stay open any longer here after a couple of gruelling days.. xx
BreatheandFlyAway · 28/03/2013 23:52

goodnight all Wine - liked the MLC post mink! Sorry you're feeling sad, Leclerc, I hope you manage to get some good sleep tonight. You have a lot on your plate, as fi says.

I am feeling very nervous as have a big problem happening tomorrow morning that is ridiculous but impossible at same time - can't really explain as would it out me. But hopefully this time tomorrow I'll be back in Vixens with a relieved "problem sorted" vibe. Wish me luck! Sorry this is oblique, you know how it is on an open forum.

minkembra · 29/03/2013 00:00

Good luck

BreatheandFlyAway · 29/03/2013 00:14

Thanks mink. I'm trying to keep things in perspective but the worry is taking over....

snowshapes · 29/03/2013 07:13

breathe all the very best with your problem. I hope you are back this evening with a weight off your shoulders.

tis I hope you are feeling better this morning. I think sadness is normal to be honest, it is such a lot to go through and you must be emotionally and physically exhausted, especially with the truggles with your church. I think you have to protect yourself a bit here, the Church is an institutio which mediates your relationship with God, it does not determine it and it should not sit in (misguided) judgement. Otherwise, i think sadness is a ncessary part of moving on, you are gathering strengthor the next chapter of your life. And four DCs, hats off to you, lady!

mink interesting post. I got the but we are just incompatible line from xh1. OW was nothing to do with it, of course.

BreatheandFlyAway · 29/03/2013 09:27

Thank you, snow. Having worried about it all night, I got up this morning and got everything sorted - less difficult than I imagined in the end, as these things often are. I am my own worst enemy at times, as I bury my head in the sand, ignore approaching problems and then catastrophise them when they are finally upon me if that makes sense.

Re FW being horribly pleasant; well that dissolves as soon as I dig even a millimeter deeper than day to day stuff. So I am grateful to him for reminding me of his true colours this morning over a small matter; but equally, I wouldn't be separating from him if it wasn't for those true colours IYSWIM!

minkembra · 29/03/2013 20:11

*breath' glad it went well.

Is it just me, or does everyone else find that once you realise your h/ex/partner is abusive you start realizing lots of other people are too.
Realised my lovely ex (x1) from years ago- always thought his dad was 'hard work' and found out years ago that he (x1 dad) had done at least one terrible thing but now realise he was long term abusive to pretty much everyone

Ex 1 was genuinely lovely guy though.

Ex3- most recent. his dad was PA to x3's siblings. not x tho. and EA to x3's mum.
X3's mum was an enabler and possibly EA herself.
X3's brother and sister were PA to x.
and his brother is still EA i think.
Now think based on things Dsc have said recently that their mum may also be EA. not sure about that though.

i do know there are reasons x3 is messed up but also know i am not one of them and i don't need to be on the receiving end.

Aside from x3's totally dysfunctional family though, have realised a friends sister has just gone from EA cocklodger to another more controlling FW and is probably being kept from her family.

But anyone back to original point...do you guys also start seeing monsters everywhere? Its a bit depressing. they are everywhere.

snowshapes · 29/03/2013 21:24

mink, it was the other way around for me. It started a year ago, with me realising one of the mum's from school was manipulative and using me, changing arrangements which made me think I was losing it, it was completely bizarre. Then I went on holiday with a friend overseas with our respective DCs, and again felt she treated me really badly. Then with the Julian Assange furore, I realised something about an old friend, that he had done, which I had suppressed. Then my mum did a couple of things, which were very manipulative and controlling. We, that is my mum and I had pretty much been NC since my second miscarriage four years ago, but what she did was a lightbulb moment that she was a narc. Was on MN by this point. It was like dominos falling and the last one to fall was my marriage after a string of incidents which so totally fitted the patterns of behaviour I had first recognised in others and learned that they were abusive. I read the Lundy book and ticked all the warning signs off.

It happened over a period of months, the realisation I have described and I thought I was going slightly crazy. Actually, that is an understatement, my head was a mess. I am not sure about lots of people being abusive, but certainly I think I look at people in a different light now,and have turned my people pleasing tendency off. I do not care what people think about me, I care about my DCs being fine and for that to happen, I have to be okay. Last year, with all of that, I came very close to not being okay.

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