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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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minkembra · 26/03/2013 22:58

if not you can make the crunchy bit- heat up golden syrup in a pan and add bicarbonate of soda- great fun! must do it with the kids when they get backSmile

snowshapes · 26/03/2013 23:15

Ooooh, will definitely try that.

Text from FW has triggered my anxiety. Need to get that sorted somehow,as I have to deal with him for next goodness knows how many years. Hate this. Though good in a way to know trigger.

Well, tomorrow is another day. Hopefully a warmer one.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 26/03/2013 23:34

The time has finally come... tomorrow I go on the dreaded long-awaited holiday with FW and the dcs. Nineteen days of travelling, catching up with friends and family, and all the ups and downs that will no doubt go with that.

See you all mid-April!

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snowshapes · 26/03/2013 23:41

Oh my goodness me, very best of luck. Enjoy the friends and family. And time with the DCs. Not sure what to say re FW that is helpful. Stay strong.

minkembra · 27/03/2013 00:04

Enjoy it despite him Charlotte.
Hope the kids have a lovely time.

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 27/03/2013 07:42
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FairyFi · 27/03/2013 08:30

Wishing you the same Charlotte enjoy evry bit you can with your dcs and family/friends, ignore FW every inch of the way, and see you on the other side.

Tis very worth the doc investigating the heavy bleeds! Keep topped up with those greens, mmmm! Hope the hormones will sort it out for you.

boy did I enjoy my chocolate! yumm.. noticed the crunchie idea! want to do that and dip in choc! do I need to know any more than that Mink? a good easter w/end activity. Crunchie also a fav of mine. Rather yawningly now told I shouldn't be eating it, or drinking Wine Sad.

foolonthehill · 27/03/2013 08:36

tis have this sort of bleeding too...Mirena coil is supposed to be good for this..and no pills to pop, fewer side effects...have not got round to it myself though Blush never ever manage to get to GP whilst i remember it's a problem, and then forget in between! 3 weeks is such a long time don;t you know!

Charlotte, wishing you peace, sunshine and strength...not long now

minkembra · 27/03/2013 09:03

fi nope that is it. syrup and bicarb. but beware like expanding foam, it ends and it sticks. and it does not keep for long, goes very sticky and starts turning back into liquid so just make a little bit.

ponygirlcurtis · 27/03/2013 09:24

Just a wee hello from me... not been on much lately, head very full with house sale and much, much other stuff. Have still been reading periodically though, and sending out good thoughts and vibes to all. Having been whooping at those getting out, and those making plans (go Maggie!!). Might try and make it to the Vixens tonight, but I've been floored with tiredness lately, generally not made it much past 9pm last few nights, and that's even with mid-afternoon naps lightweight.
Much love to all. May we all be delivered from FWs very soon!

xx

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 27/03/2013 11:53

Hi girls. My apologies for being tardy, I've been busy with studying every night and life in general is going too fast for me. As is the thread lol, although I have been lurking from time to time.

Things have not been good here. A very small straw broke the camel's back the other night - FW has deliberately booked the day/night of our wedding anniversary to take evil FIL out for his birthday (which is the week before and is to an event FW wants to go to, not FIL). He sees nothing wrong with this, yet chose not to tell me as he knew I'd be upset.

He says 'we can celebrate our anniversary the weekend after'. I say NO MORE.

So I'm in the early stages of making plans. My debt has been consolidated. I've spoken to a solicitor friend (using a false reason) and got the name of a good family solicitor to go see as soon as I have the guts to make the call. I'm keeping an eye on rental properties (not that I can afford anything!) and starting to look into getting the house on the market at the end of the year, which is the earliest we can sell it. He knows nothing and I intend to keep it that way for now.

Hello to everybody and much Brew! Charlotte will be thinking of you on your trip, 19 days yeek!

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/03/2013 12:02

pony lovely to see you, hope you're getting through everything ok. Hopefully see you in the Vixens tonight if you're awake Grin

Nini lovely to see you too! That is a very annoying thing your fw did. Well done you for making those steps forward!

I saw sol this morning and gave him facts and go-ahead to create D petition!

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/03/2013 12:07

oooh charlotte I sympathise. I've had two of these damn family holidays to fw's country since our marriage broke down, three and two weeks respectively. However, I did survive as will you Smile hideous though it is Grin I took loads of books, treated the trip as a health kick - gave up drinking and unhealthy food etc - under the policy of might as well do it while far from home and friends. It worked surprisingly well! On the other hand, lashings of booze may get you through it too! No internet connection there to keep us updated occasionally? Good luck, lovely. xxx

FairyFi · 27/03/2013 12:11

Well done nini for the start of the end! Its good to start looking as soon as poss when it comes to property, takes a while to gauge prices/value/property/areas, etc. and a good thing to be doing in the background whilst you put other practicalities in place alongside. Is good news!

gonna try the sticky mix on Friday Mink, along with exploding cake in a cup recipe I found! should be fun.

wish you lots of energising sleep Pony,and luck/strength in equa measure with househsale. Needing more sleep than I'm getting here too x

enjou the pamper tis

xxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/03/2013 13:17

This was shocking... www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2299806/Sinead-Noone-battered-boyfriend-Derrick-Robinson-Valentines-Day-row.html (sorry for Daily Fail link)

foolonthehill · 27/03/2013 13:37

Shocking...yes and it's where anyone could end up...BUT the risk is these high profile extreme cases with convicted violent criminals make our "lovely" to everyone else husbands/partners seem less and less likely to be abusers. We need people to speak out across the spectrum of abuse.

And what's with the "he was provoked"! comment!!!Shock

FairyFi · 27/03/2013 15:15

'he would cry and find his way back into my life' ... It was shocking article, thanks for sharing it Fly

The poor girl that survived such a devastating attack made shocking headlines, but it is shocking then to hear of the subtleties that led her there, more of those needed ...

Aghast at the 'he was provoked' from the jurors on the murder charge. Seriously!????

TisILeclerc · 27/03/2013 20:39

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BreatheandFlyAway · 27/03/2013 20:42

I agree Fi and Fool re the "he was provoked" comment Shock

My sol asked me today if, being totally honest, would I say I provoked any of the violence. I think he was testing the ground to see how my story would stand up - hope so anyway, I need to have faith in him... anyway I was very surprised and said absolutely not, and related the "causes" - meeting a fellow mum in the park with dcs (no history to it) and saying the flat roof didn't need cleaning!

BreatheandFlyAway · 27/03/2013 20:44

oh, sorry leclerc xpost. I am very Angry for you at you being put through this by people who should keep an open mind. Do they know about the violence? How dare they blooming well interfere and judge, grrr.

I'm having a cold glass of white with you, also nodding off in squashy sofa!

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 27/03/2013 20:47

Leclerc, I don't know if I should comment as I don't have faith, but how dare anyone try and tell you what you need to do wrt your marriage?! Well done for standing firm. You don't have to justify your decision to anyone.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 27/03/2013 20:49

I have felt a small victory just now. FW rang me having changed his annual leave to be able to see his DDs and asked if I could text their mum to tell her the plans. Told him that no, that wasn't my job. All I am interested in is whether my dc get to see their half sisters. My counsellor is bringing me a book on establishing boundaries, which I am hoping will help a lot.

arthriticfingers · 27/03/2013 20:51

leclerc I am not a believer, but, as I said before. I think religious communities are as vulnerable to crass misunderstanding as the wider society they exist in but :( and I will get the first round in
Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine Wine WineWine
breathe Shock at your solicitor.
This is something I have been thinking about a lot.
This argument that the 'victim' in some way 'causes' the violence and that somehow diminishes the responsibility for choices of those who commit acts of violence.
Confused

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