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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 20:37

mink what on earth is expanding foam??? And why is it on the carpet/clothes/hair?

Also hope it's not too lonely without the DC. I am dreading when we are finally divorced the weekends on my own without DD although nipping to the shops sounds great

snowshapes · 26/03/2013 20:40

Yep, will be joining you later when I have tidied this bombsite house Wine

Also want to know what expanding foam is. Sounds messy

minkembra · 26/03/2013 21:09

I'd say the vixen is open! I'm on my second already.
expanding foam.this will expain all

and this

ok. so i didn't do anything quite that bad. bit it is true. it expands. and is quite difficult to get out of your hair.

minkembra · 26/03/2013 21:15

bounty how many weekends is he having the dcs?

don't think mine will ever be having the kids to stayHmm he is being superficially reasonable at the moment but still has them

minkembra · 26/03/2013 21:29

ps. I shut the door on the expanding foam incident and walked away. for all I know I may never fit in the loft again Grin

word of warning- this EF was in an aerosol, not 2 tins- don't clean the aerosol nozzle in the sink...cos.. like.. expanding foam...well it expands...in the pipesBlush

it makes silicon sealant look like a breeze! (I am getting way better at that though. think ex was actually mildly jealous of my lsat attempt)

glad ex is not here. this would have been my job even if he were here but I'd have got all his patronising helpful remarks and a big well I could have told you that would happen I would not have done it like that. erm no he would not have done it AT ALL! his secret to never doing a bad job, just don't do the job. (like when he didn't do the silicon seal on his bath and it leaked and the floor rotted and years later still not fixed)

whereas this way I have learned several lessons and I can see the funny side, and I still have most of my hair BlushWinkand once I have done a bit of judicious trimming (both of hairWink and the gaps I slightly overfilled) it will all be fine and that will be another step in building an insulated storage area in my loft done. because this sister does her own DIY badly

bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 21:30

Well it's not sorted yet as he doesn't know I'm definitely leaving as I'm sorting out my part time working first (as recommended by the solicitor) so that I can't be challenged as the primary care. But from talking to the solicitor we will probably be looking at every other weekend (except for when he works away in the week then she thinks 2 out of 3 with him would be the norm).

Compared to some of the FWs on here he is pretty good with DD. Much much harsher than me discipline wise, but was SAHD for the last 5 months (hence my stress about being the primary carer) and although he refused to take her anywhere with other people's children around (so she didn't get much socialisation) he'd been good at playing outside with her and doing learnign stuff at home. My part time hours will probably include some weekend work so I'll obviously schedule these for wheh he has DD and that should have the added bonus of keeping me busy and occupied.

Haha I went to stately homes too and we were BBC children. I wasn't allowed to watch Grange Hill for a long time because my Mum thought it wasn't suitable!!!! Grin Took a loooong time to be allowed to watch neighbours and home and away.

bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 21:34

mink respect to the DIY. that is one of the things I'm actually looking forward to when I finally get my own house. At the moment I'm not allowed to do anything as I won't be able to do it to H's exacting standards. But he just never gets round to doing it hence our building site house!

minkembra · 26/03/2013 21:51

bounty yeah to getting your own house and taking control of the DIY. and then you will be glad the DD is away as DIY and kids is not the best mix. them being away has been great as it means I can get the DIY done without having to take a day off work to do it when they are out.

I did all the DIY on my old house when I was pregnant as I thought I was going to rent it out and move in with ex Hmm but had to get my friends and my dad round to do the up the ladder stuff. ex did one tiny bit of wall paper stripping while I hardboarded the kitchen floor and replastered bits of kitchen wall 36 wks pregnant waiting for the DTs to be born. the carpet fitters were totally Hmm at him for doing bugger all as was my dad (who travelled 150 miles at weekends to help out). this was because he had his own DIY to do so he wasn't going to do mine. did not fecking do his either though did he? oh no.

bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 22:01

I wonder if that is another bingo thing? Living in half-finished houses as we are not allowed to do the DIY ourselves, nor pay for someone to come in and do it but that they won't do it themselves either. I love watching the end of grand designs when they have moved in and accessorised the house as I used to spend ages imagining how our house would look when it was finished until I gave up hope and realised it'll be in this state forever more.

minkembra · 26/03/2013 22:07

well his house is half finished bomb site (why we never lived there) and he would not let me do it ut did expect me to be there when he did it. so clealry it was my fault it never got done.

still he can do it now can't he. I'm not stopping him Wink

and I am quite happy to do my own DIY myself but you would think he might have helped a wee bit when I was so pg but no. he also treated me by letting me carry all the shopping.

bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 22:11

I can just imagine you with a massive 36 week twin baby bump and him casually leaning against a wall watching you. What a gentleman!

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/03/2013 22:12

Hello vixens Grin Wine

mink I hope you are still in one piece?! Am impressed but also \a bit giggly about the EF incident!

Leclerc - wow, kudos on the cake, lovey! I am embarrassed to say I've never made a bd cake (though dm has for my dcs).

I'm knackered tonight, had a really long day, with hours of driving at either end.

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snowshapes · 26/03/2013 22:17

Definitely a FW bingo thing. I renovated my house before DC2 was born and FW did next to nothing, complained about the time I spent on it being more important than him, and said it didn't matter if there was no floor and we had bare plaster on the walls when DC2 was born as I would have maternity leave. I was working fulltime and getting up at the crack of dawn to get it finished. He had said don't worry before I got pregnant, we will get it done. When I was pregnant, he booked all these trips away. So I was literally on the floor with exhaustion. His house? He's too busy apparently.

Yet his nose was out of joint when I referred to it as my house recently. But I have done nothing since DC2 was born, too busy surviving, so need to get plans back on track.

Haha, didn't even have a TV when growing up, can't remember many stately homes either, we were poor as church mice. FW has a penchant for stately homes though, delusions of grandeur. My house was never good enough for him.

Cheers, anyway. tis how did the party go? Sorry if I missed the update, just popping on mid-cleaning, what a glam life Smile

snowshapes · 26/03/2013 22:20

When i referred to my house as my house i mean, his nose was out of joint, despite him not paying towards it, doing little towards it, and looking down his nose at it. Gah.

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minkembra · 26/03/2013 22:28

snow ours do sound v similar. it would not surprise me if they were the same bloody person. Grin

minkembra · 26/03/2013 22:34

tis glad party went well Smile
heavy bleeding must be v draining though. better have some Wine to top yourself back upGrin
sounds like between us we could probably rebuild quite a few houses. say one thing for the FWs they make us resourceful.

breath I too am finding it quite funny. althuogh I probably won't enjoy cleaning it up tomorrow but I think it is a lot easier once it has set (as in the canoe story above Grin) has given me a craving to make honeycomb brittle though (inside of a crunchy bar. EF is very similar only a lot less tasty)

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BreatheandFlyAway · 26/03/2013 22:40

Mmmm crunchie!

My dm told me she used to buy one every week with her pocket money Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/03/2013 22:41

I like biting the choc off the edge then dunking.

snowshapes · 26/03/2013 22:47

It is kind of weird mink. We have been living parallel lives because I think we separated at about the same time too.

He has just texted to tell me how much DSD is missing DCs. I offered to take DCs to his when DSD is here and stay in a hotel. He unilaterally decided to go for the whole two weeks with her to his parents. I know I am probably reading too much into this but I feel guilt-tripped because if I had not left him, the DCs would be spending Easter together. The whole holidays, I mean.

But then, thinking back to last Easter holidays, I knew then at some level it was not right, he behaved badly to dear friends I see rarely and yes, it would not have been better. In the end, it would have not been good for DCs either,, though it was DD who bore the brunt of it. Gah again.

tis glad party went well and that you got some relaxing time.

snowshapes · 26/03/2013 22:49

Crunchies all round then! I am sure the Vixen stocks them Smile

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/03/2013 22:52

am signing off - cream crackered after all the work and driving today. Love, Wine and crunchies to all. xxx