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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive Relationships - number 19

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CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 21/03/2013 20:56

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you're dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans - He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change - please don't give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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snowshapes · 25/03/2013 23:00

As for their being decent men, I am sure there are somewhere. But my question is more, will I actually find one? If I grew up in an emotionally abusive household, my first intimate relationship was physically and emotionally abusive, and then there was FW (that is not mentioning the long and tempestous relationship in between), what are my chances of meeting someone 'normal' and having a 'normal', non-abusive relationship? Nil?

snowshapes · 25/03/2013 23:01

there, not their - argh!

foolonthehill · 25/03/2013 23:02

surely not nil now snow...all that experience I am sure you can pot them in the driving snow without goggles.

there is always hope and until then you've got us lot.......

TisILeclerc · 25/03/2013 23:08

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foolonthehill · 25/03/2013 23:11

and I am not suggesting snow "pots" FWs in some strange gardening experiment...Wink...but rather that she scan SPOT them a mile away in the full driving snow.....and I can't even blame wine or a dodgy phone!

think I am off men, but who knows....maybe one day!

foolonthehill · 25/03/2013 23:12

argh...she CAN spot them.

ok clearly i need to go to bed.

Night all

sleep tight and eat chocolate

FairyFi · 25/03/2013 23:32

yy to eating choc Fool now I want some ! and I am in bed, can I have some? Wink

meant to answer you Trust re contact after listing DD abuses... Contact knocked back to about 10% of what it was, and supervised. The little that is left he cancels regularly and refuses to respect the very very simple boundaries around it. Weird how i'm the one in control, and not respecting people! Lovely police told me exactly why he is doing, cos I'm not allowed any control, its obvious to them. Who has the energy for this crap.. well , yes, they do, obviously.

yes, i've been told they're out there [decent blokes] altho FW says he's the best of them!

I do know lots of lovely guys but what do I know!, but prefer them as friends.

... can't shake off choc thoughts! Chocolate on the list for tomorrow...

snowshapes · 25/03/2013 23:55

Haha at potted FWs. I am sure there is a joke in there if I could only just find it. Seriously, hold on to your hope tis he is out there somewhere when you are ready to find him.

fool the thing is looking back, with FW, the warning signs were there aplenty, but I somehow managed to blunder on being sucked in further and further. It is like I just woke up after a dreadful storm and now I am clearing the wreckage and surveying the damage.

Oh well, love and chocolate to all.

TisILeclerc · 26/03/2013 07:14

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foolonthehill · 26/03/2013 08:22

Snow now you have mn.....a ready twuntometer that you can use to externally verify what you think!

BreatheandFlyAway · 26/03/2013 09:52

Hope to catch you later in the Vixens, ladies Smile xxx

FairyFi · 26/03/2013 10:18

have stocked up with choc - no food or drink allowed now till tonight, so I'm keeping it handy for when I am allowed to eat again, the first thing to hit my mouth with be CHOCOLATE Grin signing out and see you on the other side!

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thatsnotmynamereally · 26/03/2013 10:51

mmmm chocolate... Fi it will taste better for having to wait!

LeClerc what a fabulous cake. It looks amazing! What a lovely creative effort-- you must be so talented to do that, I never managed anything that didn't look excruciatingly 'homemade', with the best will in the world. BTW in true lurker style I glimpsed the pics of your darling boys, they are sooooo cute. Enjoy Smile

Confused40 · 26/03/2013 12:06

Hi
I recently ended r/s with fiance who was being emotionally (and other) abusive. Am really struggling. I know I've made the right decision, and won't go back, but, I do still miss him. Not going to go into details, and am having counselling to help, but feel like I'm going crazy sometimes.
I realise this must be a normal part of the process, and I'll come out the other end ok. The question I keep asking myself, is, why did I allow the abuse to go on for so long, hoping that he would change, even though he didn't? Saying sorry, and then repeating the same behaviour. Trying to blame me for his own stuff.
I'm totally confused with his behaviour. He said he loved me, and is devastated that the r/s has ended. Can he have one last chance, and he'll do everything in his power to make it up to me. Ugh, no...... If I was so precious to you, then you would have listened when I repeatedly said I didn't like your behaviour.
I'm being strong, and it is empowering me, so, why do I feel so shitty?

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 26/03/2013 12:27

Confused, I think it's just horrible having close contact with these creeps. It'd be far nicer not to believe someone could be so unpleasant.

Re the potted FWs, I was picturing a sound thwack with a golf club sending diminutive FWs flying far away into deep holes! And perfect aim despite playing in a blizzard!

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TisILeclerc · 26/03/2013 13:43

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foolonthehill · 26/03/2013 13:57

Confused_ the "victory of hope over experience" that's why most of us stay.

Well done for seeing what he was doing, and then doing something about it.
You will feel sad, confused, angry and all sorts of emotions. It's normal, keep talking and listening, you will get through. AND being strong is exhausting...that's why you feel bad, that and grief over the relationship that never was, but that you hoped for.

Tis quite...I have a headache because FW gives me stress and a headache QED

minkembra · 26/03/2013 19:34

tis wow!

Grin at excruciating homemade. that is probably how my kids will describe their childhood when they are older.

I assumed when you said she could pot them you meant snow was out there shooting at them accurately Grin

and finally....expanding foam incident...well you live and learn...that is all I am saying for now...off to try and salvage my hair/house/carpet/clothes! GrinWinkShock

minkembra · 26/03/2013 19:43

sorry confused. hello. welcome. there's me barging in with my expanding foam nonsense.

sorry you have had a rough time. it's not your fault. look up hoovering in out of the fog. that is probably one reasion why you stayed and also speaking for myself it was because I did not want to admit I had made a mistake and that he really was irredeemable. he had a nice side and I kept hoping and wishing it would win. and also I thought he was like a 'normal' person who would actually learn from his mistakes and that he was actually listening to my POV.

but those are all very human, compasionate things to do. to forgive. to give someone another chance.

and it is so, so very hard to understand someone who does not behave/react/respond like a normal person. so it will take you a while to let go.

I reacted in a very similar way to you I think....but I am starting to feel a lot better now if that helps at all. you will get there but it is pretty uncomfortable process that is for sure.

minkembra · 26/03/2013 19:52

oh and finally...my kids are away for a few days. it is weird. I have no idea how I managed to waste all these acres of time before I had the kids. I wasn't even on MN! I 'nipped' to the shop last night after teatime!!! no telling them to get their clothes on, find their shoes or any of that. I just walked out the door. Shock

but I miss them. a bit.

also made me realise what like has been like for him these past few years. going to the shop without an entourage. being able to come in after work and not having two hours of cooking, washing, refereeing and pyjaming to do, going for naps in the middle of the day....and what did he do with all that spare time? not much.

me...well...expanding foam.

and my homework which I must do now. see you in the vixen anon (the name seems to have stuck I see) I think the original sign had The Travellers Rest on it with a lovely picture of a horse and cart and someone has plastered The staggering vixen over the top in an excruciatingly homemade sign amendment GrinGrin

TisILeclerc · 26/03/2013 20:31

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bountyicecream · 26/03/2013 20:33

confused welcome. Keep posting and letting it out. You'll find we've all been/are going through versions of the same thing and have heard every excuse in the book. And yes it is normal to feel sad despite it being a relief to be out.

leclerc great cake and hope you've survived the party.

I'm ready to crack open the Wine . Anyone joining me tonight?

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