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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:51

Lemon yeah, great news Smile congrats to your DD1 and enjoy your lovely time with DS. Oh and I'll have another glass of white if you're buying Grin

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:53

Mink sorry but I spilt me vino on your coat, you'll have to stay....

Dai Hudd Grin

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/03/2013 21:54

Gimme the crisps! (Have just been reading the Gwynnie low-carb thread and am craving junk food!!)

Breathe - absolutely: all the people who matter are supporting me and who cares about the rest?

FW's parents didn't really make it all about themselves (did wonder if it looked like that after posting) - lots of stuff about how they'd admired the way I coped with his nastiness, wondered about some of the stuff I've said in the past and only now see that I was actually being hurt by it all. I wonder if FW's DF was EA in the past. He seems pretty humble now, and all too willing to see his mistakes.

The weekend: ain't it just typical that my DB is coming over then? FW feels excluded, poor diddums. And he says we need "face time" . That was in response to my suggestion that he emails if he wants to talk! You is so transparent, FW. He doesn't know that I'm not listening to him any more, though, so he can't confuse and obfuscate any more.

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:54

leclerc that's the song they always sing, the fuckers, isn't it Angry Mine is claiming this too, thinking I'll fall into his bed arms gratefully. He's incredulous it isn't working.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/03/2013 21:54

Think that's the first time I've used the work "obfuscate"!

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ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 21:55

Awwwww, Lemon, that's fantastic news, on both counts!

kittybiscuits · 13/03/2013 21:56

True, mink . You're not wrong pony . Mmm scampi fries.

I have declined the trip abroad to see FW's family - he has told them I am menopausal and 'having problems', rather than let them know he was pissed every day for 17 years and had an emotional affair (well more than one..), which brought me to the end of my tether. I said he could ask the DCs to go with him, subject to some conditions about they safety. (On a previous trip there, he previously waited six hours to inform me that my DD was admitted to hospital with a life threatening illness). We told the DCs they could go with him if they wanted, but equally they didn't have to. They could chose and should not feel pressured either way. Tonight they both decided they don't want to go with him. Cue him stomping around in a rage. Shouting at me that I 'did everything in my power to stop them going with him' and I have 'destroyed their relationship with his family'. Announces he is phoning his father to tell him I will not let the DCs visit them. For good or bad, I have told the DCs that it is precisely because of these lies that I won't go on the trip.

Of course the reason they don't want to go with him is nothing to do with him having been pissed every night for most of their lives, nor the fact that they haven't heard from their Grandad for 18 months since he started to communicate only with FW when he was at work. No, it's nothing to do with that. At all. He has been shouting and balling how absolutely sick of me he is...well the feeling's mutual. I am so calm. If I could bottle this calm I would be free.

Cheers ladies. x

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:56

leclerc def keep the BJs away, Sainsbury's every time Wink

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LemonDrizzled · 13/03/2013 21:57

LeClerc the hardest thing in my view is deciding what outcome you want to achieve (other than a total personality transplant for the FW)

Do you want to take the boys to the church thing? If so then say so. Do you want to spend DD2's birthday with FW or would you be pleased to forgo that pleasure? There might be an advantage in his plan. You can celebrate with her separately in your own way!

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:58

Oh, Kitty your fw sounds so like mine Sad. Keeping drinking from your bottle of calm, well done, lady Smile

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determinedma · 13/03/2013 22:01

Just saying am still here...

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 22:01
BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 22:02

Hello, determined!

kittybiscuits · 13/03/2013 22:02

Yes breathe, there are quite a few similarities. Oh now there's icecream, and bacon fries...so much to choose from Grin ...

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 22:03

Leclerc, Wotsit? Grin

kittybiscuits · 13/03/2013 22:03

Hello determinedma, glad you're still here x

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minkembra · 13/03/2013 22:07

Mmmn dirty minded wotsits. don't mind if i do. so much tastier than ordinary chesee flavour.

LemonDrizzled · 13/03/2013 22:08

Here - I've been to the Coop today and bought some Phish Food and Cookie Dough B&Js if anyone is in need.

I have a rule that has got me through that when a tricky decision comes up I think what is best for the DC. Sometimes I have to grit my teeth and endure FW for their sakes. I am an adult and have to behave like one.

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