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Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 18:43

Thank you good wishes and support xxxx it meant so much and I got a bit teary having a quick read of you all before my court session.

Pony the court order was to not allow him to take kids out of country, to not take them away from anywhere I have placed them (like school) etc. there was more but my mind is Swiss cheese as someone else described theirs up thread! No it's very much not in his favour that he is ignoring all the hearings. I had a good chat with nice cafcass lady then judge.

Re hypno discussion, I had it once or twice and didn't 'lose myself' which I feared, I did feel deeply relaxed and refreshed.

Am on phone in sainsbury's cafe, so will catch up properly later. I needed to escape because fw, having not dismantled his old bed upstairs so I have living room - as agreed when I moved back in ages ago, managed to arrive back just as I was shoving it into the garage- of course! Cue lots of angry 'so this is what you want, decision made, we r splitting house' etc - IN FRONT of kids who started getting all upset and insecure again.

I quickly deflected, diverted etc to stop the whole thing blowing up in front of kids and hence i am skulking in the supermarket!

I will read through and catch up properly later when I reach the cosy moorland pub- I'm still dodging werewolves right now Grin grr wish me strength as my actions and his reactions ramp up........... Xxxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 20:42

Leclerc I am sure your students will be a credit to their teacher and do fantastically Smile

Am in the virtual cosy moorland pub! I dodged the werewolves and am now sitting at a corner table with a couple of candles, a glass of white and some pistachios Smile Smile another tough day conquered.

PS waiting for the door to fling open as another refugee from storms outside staggers in.... Wink

TisILeclerc · 13/03/2013 20:55

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:02

leclerc it appears you're in need of a stiff drink what'll it be, comrade? Care to share your pain?

ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 21:17

Evening all. Mine's a half. Oh, go on, a pint!

minkembra · 13/03/2013 21:17

Hi breath, leclerc.

Parent's night tonight. was a bit awkward but he behaved and the kids got good reports. and they were delighted to see him. so hopefully that Will make him realise he should see them more.

Dillie · 13/03/2013 21:18

Staggering through.

Fw is in an oddly good mood. I hope it doesn't mean I will be in for some fwittery in a day or two.

Wine for all who need it

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/03/2013 21:21

Evening all.

FW has been in touch to say he's 'managed' to cancel a trip and wants to come home for a bit this weekend. Cancel a trip? Never heard those words together before! Hmm

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:22

Pony have a chaser too. No, I insist!

Mink glad it was ok-ish and hope it does serve him a good little lesson.

Dillie isn't it sad that the good moods make us uneasy!

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 13/03/2013 21:23

Have also heard from FW's parents, who are very supportive (phew! worried they'd minimise it all, but no, not at all) and are beating themselves up about how they should've raised him better. :(

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:23

Oh Charlotte I feel your pain Sad fuckit, it's awful when they reappear unexpectedly.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:24

Ah, charlotte, it's sad they're beating themselves up but also very healing and validating for you, hopefully? xx

kittybiscuits · 13/03/2013 21:27

I'm getting a vodka and lemonade - can I get anyone else one? Is it true that it's national FW Day today?

minkembra · 13/03/2013 21:32

Charlotte, glad you have their support.
Last thing you need is to have to justify yourself to others all the time.

Hi pony.

Yes it was ok but i still feel bit weird. i guess it Will take a while to adjust to the new situation.
glad the kids don't seem to have changed behaviour at school.

Anyway must grab some Wine. And enjoy last night of chilling before getting back to study again.

ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 21:33

Thanks Breathe. That slipped down faaaaaar to nicely. Oooooooh, the glow! Grin

mink glad he's behaving well, for the kids' sake - shame it's something that has to be commented on. But long may it continue!

Charlotte - I have to say, I thought Hmm about FW's parents' reaction. They've made it all about them, not about you and what you are going through, or even the kids! Can you put him off about coming home at the weekend? Or arrange to be out for most of it?

Dillie I think it's a good thing you can sense the change, and are aware it could mean FWittery ahead. I refused to look back and saw every flash of niceness as evidence that this was how it would be from now on deluded.

Leclerc - pull up a chair and vent away.

minkembra · 13/03/2013 21:35

kitty Grin and Sad not sure they deserve their own day.

Funny how it throws us even they are not up to fwittery. not funny ha ha though.

ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 21:36

kitty - every day is national FW day! Grin

TisILeclerc · 13/03/2013 21:37

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:38

DM arriving tomorrow. She's going to help me arrange my eyrie. And then we're going out for a belated mother's day Indian Smile That'll be after I give FW his big news... (deliver broadside and then run away with my mum, that's how I manage these things Grin)

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:40

Ah, leclerc here you go, lovey Wine. You sound like you need it [commiserating emoticon]

minkembra · 13/03/2013 21:45

breath you are on a roll. Grin

Leclerc how does he not see how inconsistent that is. oh yeah cos he is a FW.

Cannot throw scampi fries at you though. might get messy. what Will someone think if they stagger in for age first time tonight and we are all chucking back vodka and throwing snacks GrinGrin

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 21:47

They might as well just get used to it, mink Grin

LemonDrizzled · 13/03/2013 21:49

Evening all. Can I buy a round I'm celebrating! My DD1 got a good job today!!
And my FW is abroad so DS is staying with me this week.
Life is good! Time heals

ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 21:49

Here, Leclerc, have some bacon fries. You need them. They have very strong FW-repelling properties. (although the scampi fries are probably even better for that, since they'll repel everyone!)

Can you tell him no regards the church do, that you are taking them and it's not appropriate for him to be there if you are. Can you point out to him how ridiculous he's being, seeing as he's missed so many birthdays? or is it simply not worth it?

Breathe - mama-power, tis the best way. You do whatcha gotta.

minkembra · 13/03/2013 21:50

Bit of a reprise of st david's day thread.
I got an email today from Dai Hudd. Is he the Welsh Bruce Willis?

I'll get me coat....