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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

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foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

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NiniLegsInTheAir · 12/03/2013 22:58

Ps welcome to the new ladies, keep posting, it helps!

I am putting the missing items out of my mind and wont mention them to him again. If they turn up, great. If not, well I wont be a pawn!

snowshapes · 12/03/2013 23:25

Just to say I nearly woke DC2 up laughing at Stupid bastard xh and Fucking Wanker. Both apt, but FW captures the mind-bending, pointless except to them, fuckwittery of it all Sad

Reflecting on the cosy pub, realise the last time I was in an actual, real life pub was at a friend's wedding over four years ago. The last time I went on a girls' night to a pub was nearly ten years ago Shock Do pubs still exist??? But the cosy pub idea put me in the thought of asking a friend to come hill-walking one day when FW has DC. When it is warmer, though.

Night all. Mrs M, hope he takes the sofa.

snowshapes · 12/03/2013 23:27

Argh, Mrs M, ignore me, I am mixing up posters here. Definitely time for bed. That was for Bona, who mentioned the sofa. Apologies.

FairyFi · 12/03/2013 23:48

oh that is just brilliant Nini will b thinking that when I use it now!

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 00:55

Has the bell gone for last orders yet?

Welcome new ladies and so sorry as well that events have brought you here.

Nini I like your version of fw too!

I have been out all evening (work do) so happily have avoided the fwittery I would have endured had I been in, as tomorrow is cafcass hearing. I am being blamed for everything to do with it - my "betrayal" of my family and children by reporting in the first place, the date clash which means he can't go (because I'm his secretary, innit Hmm) and not forgetting of course that I'm horrible, evil, yet also, at the same time, a "fucking coward" - because I should have just stood up to his violence and screaming abuse like a sensible woman - after all, he'd "never hurt me or kids" apart from when he did

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BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 07:27

Leclerc have fun with your friend Smile

Yy to the depersonalisation Grin now you mention, I too struggle to say his name. And I gave often nearly written fw in my texts to trusted people on RL- guess that would flush out the mners among my friends Grin

Have a good day all. I'm looking forward to being relaxed at the end of it, chatting to you lot again up in my eyrie, I'm slightly dreading the hearing today- I've no idea at all what it's all about. I know I should have armed myself by researching but every time I started to read up on it, I just couldn't make myself do it. I think I've had an overload recently!

FairyFi · 13/03/2013 08:17

thinking of you today Fly .... and ... breeeethe.... just imagine us all stood there right behind you, your only difficulty being.... keeping us all quiet! Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 09:24

Fi Grin thanks! That's given me heart.... I will picture you all in the room with me (that's made me teary) xxxx

snowshapes · 13/03/2013 09:27

YY to being in the room in spirit, tis. Really wishing you all the best.

ponygirlcurtis · 13/03/2013 09:46

Good luck Breathe - we'll all be behind you (haha, Fi, too right, we're an unruly bunch when we see FWittery being done to our mates), think of the might of the commune if you need strength (and the safety of the hilltop, werewolf-free pub for a swift half later). Grin
Be thinking boutcha.

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minkembra · 13/03/2013 10:39

fly good luck. we are all rooting for you. and we will see you in the 'pub' laterSmile

snowshapes · 13/03/2013 10:59

Oh no, I've mixed people up again, that is what comes of posting quickly before a meeting. Breathe, I meant.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/03/2013 11:17

Hope FW gets a figurative arse-kicking at the hearing Breathe

DS is ill with what looks like either a second dose of chickenpox or scarlet fever according to the doc. She also said it could just be an odd virus, but that some are looking fluid filled. I have had 2 nights of crap sleep with DS in the bed, last night itching like crazy. Have had to ring FW to get him to take him tonight and either get the next 2 days off or take him to my lovely dgm to have him. Unfortunately it has fallen at the same time as I am prepping GCSE and A level candidates for speaking exams, so I really cannot take any more time off. Sad

FairyFi · 13/03/2013 11:25

aw match feel for you both,and hope things start improving v. soon Thanks

do you give him piriton? - I only saying as noone told me about it til late stages and the pain and itching drove me mad (having it as an adult) then nursing DD through it.

arthriticfingers · 13/03/2013 11:25

All strength and good thoughts to you, Fly

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 13/03/2013 11:28

Have got some piriton on prescription fi. He seems ok through the day, but is horrendous at night.

BreatheandFlyAway · 13/03/2013 11:43

Sitting waiting to be seen. Fw not here. Cafcass lady seems pleasant, had pre chat with her. She said what I say in court won't be revealed to fw. So I am going all out. Gulp. This is it. My turning point. I am going to say all the incidents and say I want a divorce. That will be reported to him. And that's it said. No going back.

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MrsMorton · 13/03/2013 11:55

Go breathe we're watching on the pub TV!!

FairyFi · 13/03/2013 12:16

is piriton drowsy making Match I can't remember? Just a thought but thats such a good side effect to have at night! I know that certirizine isn't and use that on DD in day, but when night's involved and troubled sleeps too I use the drowsy one a plenty! (pharmacist asst horrified when I asked, luckily pharmacist known me long time and not trying to kill my child!). Oh! I've just remembered the vit that I gave DD it was miraculous... D or E?... I'll look it up.. she stopped cropping and major healing! Goggle it..

oooo ..... go Fly ! .... not forgetting to...breeeethe.... we're all there cheering you on! all good start...