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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
FairyFi · 12/03/2013 19:13

hard to know the best way to respond to his abuses bona I tried every tack to make sense of something that couldn't be reasoned or made sense of because its just for its own sake, not to achieve anything jointly. There's a link above to a site that talks you through trying to live with one.. its called 'get your angries out'... I would suggest ignoring, but that might just infuriate and cause more aggression towards you, I think it will probably be a mix of tactics that will just get you through, rather than actually be able to live with it. I didn't cope with it, but others may have some good strategies. I wish you every success with your plans and keeing out of harms way in the meantime! xx

Dillie · 12/03/2013 19:43

bona I use a mix. If my fw is ranting then I just walk away or make an excuse and go out. My poor car has had a lot of mileage added to it in the past few months!

If he has a go at me through dd, then I will stand up for myself. I tend to wait until she has gone to bed then I will confront him about it.

What you cannot do if at all possible is allow them to see that they are getting to you.

I have had hypnotherapy to help me be a bit more assertive and have been given techniques to help me when I need them.

Sometimes walking away makes things worse. Tbh I mostly absorb his ranting and talk to him in a quiet voice like you do with a toddler having a tantrum. He gives up eventually . I find writing everything down helps empty my head after his rants iyswim.

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 20:06

Thank you all. Some sound advice there- especially walking away from a rant. That makes sense as there's little reasoning at the best of times.

He's just home, drunk, and acting like everything is normal and he didn't leave me sobbing this morning. Confused

Did I mention its my birthday tomorrow? Ahahahahaa

I hope one day to be in a position to give advice on these threads, then at least something good will come of all this. Sad

determinedma · 12/03/2013 20:18

Ummm hi. A friend said I should come here.I didn't think his behaviour was abuse but stuff on here says it may be.
He is controlling, wants to know where I am, who I am with. If I am late he questions where I've been. Accuses me of being unfaithful.has been in my phone checking calls. Has been googling how to fit a car tracker or for signs your spouse is having an affair. He is moody.'if he doesn't get sex he ignores me for days. Its his way or no way. I can't cope any more

ponygirlcurtis · 12/03/2013 20:36

Hey Bona, determined. Glad you have both found your way here, sounds as if you both need it. Bona, I agree with everyone else's wise words, a mix is probably best. My tuppence worth is maybe work out what sits best with you - you might not like confronting or maybe don't feel safe ignoring (as it can lead to him ramping up because he's not getting a reaction from you). No hard and fast rules. But keep sharing, hope your plan is coming together...

determined - yes, that does sound abusive, very controlling. It's really hard, I know, to apply that word. I struggled for a long time. But the more you read (take time to go through all the links at the top), the more you see and recognise your own situation. Take your time, there's no rush.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/03/2013 20:38

Dillie that's interesting about you using hypnotherapy to help you be more assertive. I'd love to try that. What techniques do you use? I am trying to be more assertive myself, I guess it's partially about feeling that I am important enough to assert my own boundaries (which I haven't in the past). Sometimes I can, sometimes not so much...

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/03/2013 20:52

I've been thinking of times when he has a go at me as tantrums, too - really helps in not taking them too seriously!

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minkembra · 12/03/2013 21:23

If they are determined to get a rise out of you they will keep trying. sigh. one of the links above suggests feigning confusion tiredness and depression. but i never tried it and i am not sure about it. Anyone else try it?

I always tried to address his points as calmly as possible (not that calm usually. i AM human) waste of time i now realise and sometimes i just agreed with him and said yes i AM a useless cunt a hopeless mother etc. etc. i have no idea why you put up with me.

When i AM annoyed and trying to stay calm i shut my eyes. apparently according to the ex, self professed body language expert, this was a sure sign i was lying.

Do whatever will get you through as long as you understand it will not change him.

Hold on to the thought that this will be your last birthday with him and by next birthday you will be somewhere better Smile

determined welcome.

It is funny. you know everytime someone new arrives on the thread i imagine one of those scenes from a film in a cosy pub on the moors wind howling outside. The door flies open, someone staggers in, bedraggled, slams the door and puts their back to it. IYSWIM (maybe its just meBlush) guess we are all in here hiding from the werewolves Wink and in this pub the regulars are very friendly Thanks Wine

determinedma · 12/03/2013 21:29

Thanks. Its good to know I am not alone or imagining things and that this isnt normal behaviour. I will read all the links.

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 21:37

I LOVE the cosy pub analogy :o

So, so true.

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 21:38

Ps: is FW 'fuckwit'??

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/03/2013 21:42

Yup! I remember feeling I'd achieved some small step towards freedom the first time I called my FW "FW" on here! :o

I think thinking "this too will pass" is probably the only reliable way of dealing with them - as in, "I will leave him one day and not have to deal with this then..."

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 12/03/2013 21:43

Cosy pub analogy is excellent.

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 21:44

I internally call H a stupid prick. But fuckwit actually fits him better.

snowshapes · 12/03/2013 21:58

Bona and determined, yes, welcome to the cosy pub. Love that, mink. I am pretty much a newbie, but it is so helpful,, the recognition that behaviors are part of a pattern, though wish no-one ended up here, iyswim.

Determined, read, read, read, read and it helps you get a handle on what is going on. It took me a while, I thought it was me.

Bona, my FW did not tantrum, did not physically or verbally lash out, apart from rarely, but was controlling and manipulative, and I realised, would provoke to get a rise out of me. I started just replying flatly yes or no as appropriate, and then it got more obvious, his attempts to provoke a reaction so he could condemn my irrational response. At the moment, I am not engaging unless it relates to DC2. He does not like this, because he used to expect to know everything. Whatever strategy gets you through.

Fi thank you for your reply. The family stuff was tied up with the FW stuff in so far as my mum scapegoated FW so it became very hard to know what was what. But i recognised FW was FW because of the many similarities in their behaviour.

So worn out today.

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ponygirlcurtis · 12/03/2013 22:01

Loving the bleak wild moorlands pub idea mink! It's where I was metaphorically before I crashed onto this place, lost and wild-headed, and very very afraid of the werewolf.

Same here Charlotte, I felt it was a watershed moment the first time I called him FW instead of NSDH. Now, I struggle not to refer to him as that in normal conversation... (signs you are MNing too much - when you start referring to your kids as DS1 and DS2 in conversation in RL... Blush not done it yet, but been pretty close a couple of times!!!)

MrsMorton · 12/03/2013 22:01

mink that's superb, are you MN royalty yet? If not then you should be IMO.

I haven't got to the point if calling him FW yet, he used to be DH, now he's H, soon to be FW then hopefully STBXH.

ponygirlcurtis · 12/03/2013 22:02

Hahahahahaha! Cross-post Leclerc!!!!!

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 22:35

Interesting, snow, how it comes in many different manifestations but all with a similar goal to undermine,

For ages I thought stbx meant stupid bastard ex..

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FairyFi · 12/03/2013 22:40

yes to referring to FW in RL!!! don't seem to know what else he's called anymore! Grin which I think is great!

although, he's ExFW (not meaning he's not a FW anymore, very much still FW, just someone else's FW now Grin Grin which is even greater! and thats bad grammar innit, cool She wonders why I won't talk to him!

Maybe I should tell her, because hes a FW?

Hope all have good sleeps tonights

FairyFi · 12/03/2013 22:42

I thought STBxH had something to do with bastard too! Grin

NiniLegsInTheAir · 12/03/2013 22:52

Yep, I graduated from using NSDH to FW here without even noticing, only saw it when it was pointed out to me!

I've always thought of FW standing for 'fucking wanker', personally Grin

BonaDrag · 12/03/2013 22:56

Night all, I'm off to snuggle up with DD. have ordered FW to sleep on couch.

Oooh hot toddy. Mmmmmm.